Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:02 Smokes all the good old days. You right. It's called,
Speaker 1 00:00:30 Hey, this is, hello. Are we cutting this? This is in the podcast, right? Yeah. Okay. Hey guys, welcome to the Raised Rowdy podcast. Hey, cheers.
Speaker 2 00:00:35 Oh, we were already going. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:00:37 Sick. Gary's like, damn, I said the F word. All kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 00:00:40 Well,
Speaker 4 00:00:41 We could, we could start it whenever we start it, you know? That's
Speaker 1 00:00:43 True. Like I was saying, it's like I hate the gatekeepers of country music. It's like one of my biggest pet peeves.
Speaker 3 00:00:49 Yeah. I mean, imagine running like a hate blog, like <laugh>. That would be exhausting. What's
Speaker 4 00:00:53 Your, what's your real life look like? Yeah. That's what you do for fun.
Speaker 3 00:00:56 It's negative,
Speaker 2 00:00:57 But you know what, at the same time it was kind of cool. Just like, okay, we're going into the flames. Yeah. Like, this guy doesn't That's true. This guy, I don't know if he likes this or not, or he's just running this thing or whatever. He likes us enough to not tell us no, to come to his podcast or whatever. Yeah. And so to share
Speaker 3 00:01:11 Our music with his fans, I guess.
Speaker 2 00:01:13 Right. So I was just like, well, there's gonna be critics out there that's like, it's kind of, it's nice to like not have someone just like, you know, just agree with your like, right. I feel like a lot of podcasts are like, oh, what, what you're doing is incredible. Instead of like, attacking, you know, whatever that person is really up to that I may disagree with, which is cool about podcasts. You can do that and
Speaker 1 00:01:32 There's no such thing as bad press. Right.
Speaker 3 00:01:34 Yeah. It's good. And it's good to too, like, even if you have like a hater, like per se Yeah. You come on and like, meet Gary and I as people, and then you're like, oh, well, I mean, I'm not like tooting our horn, but like, if you, if you thought something about us and then you, when you actually meet someone in person, it's usually never the same. You're like, oh shit. Like, these dudes are cool. Like, I might not like all their music, but, uh, they made out, made, made a fan outta me today. You know? Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:01:58 I think that's one of the big things about being in Nashville too, is like, you get to know people. Right. So it's like, for sure this might not be my favorite song in the world. Yeah. But like, this is a really
Speaker 3 00:02:06 Great person. I mean, even like friends of yours in town is like, I might not like, like, like all my friends music. Right. I mean, that's not even being a dick. It's just like, I don't
Speaker 1 00:02:14 Yeah. Who is your friends' music? Do
Speaker 0 00:02:15 You hate <laugh> <laugh>?
Speaker 3 00:02:18 I mean, I mean, no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 00:02:20 No. Anything that Kurt Ozon plays
Speaker 3 00:02:22 On mean, pretty much everything that Kurt plays on. I, I feel
Speaker 2 00:02:25 Like I've had to kind of check my ego cuz like, I'll have preconceived notions about just, just music in general. And usually I sadly, like I gear towards like the negative. It's like, what do I not like about it? Yeah. Instead of taking like, what do I really love about this? And that's a part like of, of being a consumer of music. And maybe it's just because we all live in this world in Nashville and we, we kind of see things before the whole world else sees it. But a part of that I've had to kind of like, take back and be like, okay, like
Speaker 3 00:02:56 Do I, does it matter? This might
Speaker 2 00:02:57 Not be like my thing, but like I can appreciate it for what it is. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 00:03:01 <affirmative>. Yeah. I mean, I think too, like as quote unquote like experts in what we all do, you know, it's like we all are gonna overanalyze everything and be like, I wouldn't have done it like that. But it's not your, it's not your baby to change the diaper on. So like, who cares?
Speaker 1 00:03:15 What is something that you guys like, weren't you didn't like that much at first, but now have gotten more into Oh,
Speaker 3 00:03:22 That's a a good question. Like in what regard? Like, the business or like
Speaker 1 00:03:25 What? Or, or like, maybe like, Hey, I, I didn't like this like Luke comb song, but I got the new the guy and then I gave his music another chance or what, or whatever.
Speaker 2 00:03:33 I'm, I'm trying to think. That's a good question. Honestly and candidly, and I, I would only bring him up because I, we are friends with him, but, uh, the first time, like I heard co wetzel stuff. I was like, this is different. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, this is, this wasn't cut in Nashville with Yeah. Evan Hutchins playing drums and saw Phil Cox playing guitar on it. And like, it's just like, it was awesome to just see a guy from Texas doing his own thing, had his friends playing on this. And I was like, man, like he's talking about Taco Bell and like this, these melodies are dope and like, so good. And I, and then I was just kind of like, whoa, this is really great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, and, and well
Speaker 3 00:04:14 That's another one of those like see it live Yeah. Type of thing. You see it live and you're like, whoa,
Speaker 2 00:04:18 Because we saw it live. I get it. And then another thing could just come buddies with the guy. And, and I'm not saying that to just, I love co wetzels music. Like, he's like in my top 10, same now. And so it's just, but I'm
Speaker 1 00:04:28 Afraid of him. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:04:29 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:04:30 I've never met
Speaker 3 00:04:30 Him. He, dude, he's actually, he's actually a very, like,
Speaker 2 00:04:32 He's kind shy.
Speaker 3 00:04:34 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:04:34 So kind. I've heard that lot.
Speaker 2 00:04:35 So kind and su such a really good dude. And like, we've toured a lot with CO and it's just been cool to see like, the progression of what he's doing. It's
Speaker 3 00:04:44 Stupid selling like 5,000 tickets everywhere he goes.
Speaker 2 00:04:46 Yeah. And it's just like crazy just doing his thing, man. And he's really kind of creating his own little subculture. And so it's, it's really cool
Speaker 3 00:04:53 To see that it's like country Kurt Cobain or something. Like, it's like,
Speaker 2 00:04:56 To answer your question again, Kurt, another guy that I, uh, I don't get it first and this is gonna Cardinals in here, but when Eric Church puts out a new record, I, I hear it the first time and I'm like, I don't know about this. And then I hear it the second time and I was like, I think I like this. And then the third time it's like, okay, I love this.
Speaker 3 00:05:15 His records do grow so much on you and you, I agree. You realize how great it is after you hear it like 10 times. You're like, whoa. Like,
Speaker 2 00:05:21 Like the record that had like Desperate Man and all and all that stuff on. And I was like, this is so out there. But at the same time I'm like, golly, this is so good. Yeah. Like he's, he's one of those guys for me for sure.
Speaker 1 00:05:32 A lot of my buddies like, like Ray Fulcher and like Rob Wilford and Luke and everybody, they're all just like, they have him on this highest pedestal of all. And I was super late to coming into the country game and I heard like Talladega, I'm like, oh, that's like a fun song. Like I didn't get like how he was like on the Mount Rushmore country music for these guys mm-hmm. <affirmative> and just being on the bus and cuz it's, you know, like I was, like I said, I was late to come into country music and uh, and the, the songs that did for me, I heard Sinners like me and I was like,
Speaker 3 00:05:59 Dude, that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 00:06:00 Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, wow, holy cow. That's a, and I was like, okay, I get it now.
Speaker 2 00:06:05 Yeah, no, it, it is ridiculous cuz I, I mean, I'll say I'm pretty late to country too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I didn't start really listening to country until I was like in 18 and, and it was weird. Like, I kind of skipped the whole like what was on the radio and I, I mean, I guess Jamie Johnson had stuff on the radio. Oh yeah. But like, my first record that I ever bought that was in the genre of country music was Lonesome Song by Jamie Johnson. Same. And so what
Speaker 3 00:06:29 A good intro.
Speaker 2 00:06:30 And, and I, and it was like, instead of like going through, let's just go to the, the roots of like what traditional country music is and it's just songs sonically, however you want to, you know, skin that cat, that's what I gravitated to. And then it kind of, once I got there I kind of backtrack and started going to like, okay, well what, what is on radio that I really like and, and that sort of thing. But yeah, I was late to the party too on that thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 4 00:06:55 I think it's one of those things with like, guys like Jamie Johnson or guys like Eric Church, they are so undeniably them, right? Yeah. And whatever that is. And, and for Eric, I think he is way more worried about pushing the needle 1% than he is about if his, if people like it or if
Speaker 3 00:07:13 Percent he has. He, he, well in this weird way, it's like he's not really making music to please people. Like, he's literally just making the music he wants to make, you know? And that's, but that's what makes it so great, you know? Yeah. No one is saying like, oh, he's just chasing the next thing. Like, nobody says that. Everyone's saying like, how do I be more like Eric Church
Speaker 2 00:07:31 <laugh>? And he has those records that people are like, I mean, I'm a, I'm a kind of a Carolina guy or you know, that, that sort of thing. Or the chief record. But it's like, man, dude, you get into those like the later ones and I'm just like, man, this is like needle pushing stuff, like you said. No doubt. More so than just like, cuz he could go and do that record again. And that's been the playbook for a lot of people in Nashville. Just go, go to what works. This is what's, this is what's pushing the needle needle for me financially and making bring, bringing bigger crowds to my shows mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and that sort of thing. So I just appreciate the fact that he has that mystique to like, when he puts out a record, you don't really know what direction he's gonna take it. And
Speaker 3 00:08:10 It feels like he doesn't give a shit, but like he does, you know what I mean? Like he's got that certain like f it. Yeah. Like, I don't care what anybody think. It's like, I mean, I don't really like to say this, but it's like the outlaw thing. Like, it's like that's, that's outlaw shit.
Speaker 2 00:08:24 He
Speaker 1 00:08:24 It is outlaw while drinking his white wine on the couch <laugh> with
Speaker 3 00:08:28 Glasses. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:08:29 He's got that mystique factor that I envy so much. Yeah. Cause no one knows what he's up to unless he's playing a show or unless he's putting out a record. No one knows what Eric Church did today unless he was playing somewhere. Yeah. He
Speaker 4 00:08:40 Does like one interview a year or something.
Speaker 2 00:08:42 Yeah. And it, that's pretty cool. And it's, so, I, I mean I envy that when it
Speaker 1 00:08:46 Does it's like
Speaker 2 00:08:47 Right like
Speaker 1 00:08:48 That Rolling Stones one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:08:49 And it, I, I mean I love those artists that just kind of just flop it out and say, Hey, here's the record and I'm gonna go tour this record, then I'm gonna retreat back to wherever I live. It's in Nashville and do my thing.
Speaker 3 00:09:00 So I think every artist like secretly craves that. Yeah. That life, you
Speaker 1 00:09:03 Know, you guys are gonna do that when you're massive. For sure.
Speaker 3 00:09:07 I mean, I'm definitely gonna do that. Oh yeah. I mean,
Speaker 2 00:09:08 I wanna do that now.
Speaker 3 00:09:10 Reuse a long way to go. Gonna be a recluse. So
Speaker 2 00:09:12 It's, it's part of the grind though, so it's, it's part of it. But yeah,
Speaker 4 00:09:16 It's uh, it's one of those things where it's like there's so many different routes to get to where you're going. Right. And when Eric was coming up, he had those songs that were radio songs, you know, he had those songs that were like straight down the center of the lane. Not every song on the album was like that, but he had some that were Sure. And then he had stuff where he took the center of the lane and turned it. Yeah. And I think that's what he liked. Yeah. I think he was like, oh crap, I can turn the center of the lane and I can turn it to the right. And then he is like, let's see how far I can push that lane. Well then he,
Speaker 3 00:09:45 And then you also have like the, the Stapleton factor. Like, like, I mean Eric's always had it, but it's like, it's the like, oh well, you know, if this doesn't play on the radio, like it doesn't matter because people give a shit about it. So you're still
Speaker 1 00:09:58 Selling tickets
Speaker 3 00:10:00 Matters
Speaker 2 00:10:01 That, I think the recipe that Eric Church did early is he wrote Anthems mm-hmm. <affirmative> that guys and dude, and not guys and dudes, but
Speaker 3 00:10:10 Guys, the dudes,
Speaker 2 00:10:11 Guys and girls can get behind. Yeah. And that's a really tough thing like to kind of traverse when you're writing music cuz like, it's kind of like, I feel like we're in this weird thing in country. It's like one or the other. And when you find that middle ground to where like mm-hmm. <affirmative> four dudes can bump a Luke Comb song and go to the concert. Yeah. Luke's great at it. It doesn't have to be, oh, you know, I reluctantly went to this concert because my girlfriend loves this artist. That's like the perfect recipe.
Speaker 3 00:10:37 And too, I think it's it's about delivery too. Yeah. Like it's not just like the songwriting. Yeah. You know, it's like, like Luke Combs just delivers it. Well, you know, like he's just a cool like masculine ass dude. Yeah. That sings pretty badass songs.
Speaker 1 00:10:51 <laugh>, there was these, um, guys that are show in Raleigh this past weekend and they were losing their shit like, you know, like crying. Yeah. Like you see these photos of like girls when Raleigh Green walks by or whatever, <laugh> like these guys and they were like, um, four rows in the lower level and we're doing that 360 stage. Yeah. So I, I have a perfect eyesight to them and we like went into beer can and they were like,
Speaker 4 00:11:15 Oh my god. Yeah
Speaker 1 00:11:16 Dude. And then we played brand new man, they like peed themselves and it was awesome. I like, I wanted to go have a beer with those guys cause they were like so into it.
Speaker 2 00:11:23 Yeah. I mean it's cute. It's uh, it's awesome when you can have a brand that does that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then that's, I mean, one thing I feel like we, we kind of sit in that vein too cuz like, we have a pretty, very mixed crowd when we come to our show for <affirmative>. Like there's, there's dudes that show up that just you're coming out to have a good night. There's a lot of couples. Like I feel like we've kind of become this couple band. We have a couple of those songs that, like a lot of
Speaker 3 00:11:47 Those
Speaker 2 00:11:47 Songs. Yeah. And so and so couples come, we, we probably get asked more than anybody can we play weddings, like mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it's just a part of it. And we have a few of our bigger songs are that and we're thankful for it. Good love songs. Yeah. And then it's cool to just be, you know, some girls coming out for a good time. Like you're gonna get mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, smorgasborg of that kind of thing. And that's important I think from the get go like Eric Church did and Luke is definitely done. Yeah, absolutely. Riley Green is done all, all that kind of thing. It's like having it to where every dude can relate to this guy and then every girl likes the product. This guy's pushing. Yeah. That's the perfect play I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:12:24 I think that's sounds easy when you put it that way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:12:27 Well I think that's like one of the things that people are craving when they're looking at who's gonna be successful. Right. It's like every guy wants to have a beer with you or hang out with you and every girl wants to or
Speaker 3 00:12:36 Be you. Right. Exactly. Right.
Speaker 1 00:12:38 Every girl wants to do what Nick,
Speaker 3 00:12:39 Uh,
Speaker 4 00:12:40 Take you home
Speaker 3 00:12:40 Or something. Yeah. Take your pants off.
Speaker 4 00:12:42 But that's like
Speaker 3 00:12:43 The mix Right? Right. Mean it's definitely a recipe for success. Yeah. Hundred percent. It's, it definitely helps if girls wanna take your pants off. Yeah. You know what I mean? A
Speaker 4 00:12:49 Hundred percent. It doesn't hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:12:51 I don't have that so I just have to sing really well. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's all we can kinda hang really like Mutt
Speaker 2 00:12:55 And Jeff up there, you know, just like whatever. So that's, but at the core of it, like if we're gonna really build a fan base and I don't want it to be on something that doesn't have to do with the music. Right. You know, like that's, that's the scary thing we live in right now is I feel like a lot of things are pushed by like a gimmick sometimes and it's just like the spectacle, right. It's the the spectacle at Yeah. That's the perfect word for it. And it's just like, it's instead of just the product you're pushing, like, you know, whether or not, you know, I'm five foot nothing and, and you know, Charlie is 250 pounds. It doesn't freaking it doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? It's like we're just gonna go out there, play the same shows regardless. If we don't have hair or not have hair in 15 years, we're gonna be in there.
Speaker 3 00:13:40 There's nothing like bringing you there besides the music, which is like what we pride ourself for and
Speaker 2 00:13:45 That's all I want people to come to Muskan eye bloodline. Yeah. It's not cuz I'm cool cuz I'm not that cool. Like
Speaker 3 00:13:51 <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:13:51 Like we know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:13:53 Don't don't tell them don't tell everybody, but,
Speaker 2 00:13:55 But it's just like, I mean it's hard to like brand a cool like just too married dudes pretty just chill.
Speaker 1 00:14:02 I I've seen some new jewelry out here boys. Congrats
Speaker 2 00:14:04 On
Speaker 3 00:14:04 That. Yeah, dude. That's right. Married.
Speaker 2 00:14:06 I on the married train and it, I mean it's great. I, I love marriage but our like besides our funest time is on the road and then we come back to our wives and have a good time with them and it's like else you for
Speaker 3 00:14:18 Last life. Yeah dude.
Speaker 2 00:14:19 So it's fun. Kill some
Speaker 4 00:14:20 Turkeys.
Speaker 2 00:14:21 Yeah, we do that. We try, we try to get in the woods or whatever so, you know, you take go going out out of the picture. I mean, we don't go out just
Speaker 3 00:14:29 Golf and kill turkeys.
Speaker 2 00:14:30 What? It's Yeah, it's true. Truly. We just enjoy getting outside and going to bed early and waking up early and tackling the day playing
Speaker 3 00:14:35 Music. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:14:37 Um, we talk a lot about the live show. I'm curious. I haven't seen you guys play since.
Speaker 3 00:14:41 Yeah, thanks man. Georgia Theater. Cool dude. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:14:44 It's been a while man. I've been busy and coronavirus and all that, but yeah, I think the, with the last show we did together was in Georgia Theater. Right.
Speaker 3 00:14:51 I mean maybe, maybe. God
Speaker 2 00:14:53 Damn. You know what the last show we did with Luke was Virginia Beach.
Speaker 3 00:14:57 That big best of that
Speaker 2 00:14:58 Shit was insane. So I remember you took photos before. That's
Speaker 1 00:15:01 Right.
Speaker 3 00:15:01 Okay.
Speaker 2 00:15:01 That you like, you were like really starting to dabble in it. Uhhuh
Speaker 3 00:15:04 It was like two years ago. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:15:05 So straight up that, that was the last time, but yeah.
Speaker 3 00:15:08 Oh, a big day. Yeah. He broke the attendance record out there. It
Speaker 2 00:15:11 Was like 70,000
Speaker 3 00:15:12 People out
Speaker 1 00:15:13 There. Wasn just him though, right?
Speaker 2 00:15:15 Oh yeah, it was, yeah. We helped a little bit.
Speaker 3 00:15:18 <laugh> had a few hundred people there liked us
Speaker 1 00:15:21 <laugh>. No doubt. Yeah. Um, so what's the live show like? Uh, what's the, what You guys still rolling the same band or?
Speaker 3 00:15:27 Yeah. I mean we, I'm
Speaker 2 00:15:28 Trying to think. Yeah's the same one of that.
Speaker 1 00:15:30 Zolty. Is
Speaker 3 00:15:31 It Downt?
Speaker 2 00:15:32 Yeah, Zolty. And then we got Justin rowing on bass and then Weston Stewart.
Speaker 1 00:15:36 Hell yeah. So good.
Speaker 3 00:15:37 So good.
Speaker 2 00:15:38 So good. I hate that he play, I hate that he has to play with us cuz he's so much better than what we do. I feel like
Speaker 1 00:15:44 Whatever. Nah,
Speaker 2 00:15:44 Come on. He's, he's fun man. Like, uh, he's, it's, it's been fun to see him grow cuz like when he's started with
Speaker 3 00:15:50 Us, he was kind of timid and like, he was
Speaker 1 00:15:52 Like 14 years old. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:15:53 Right.
Speaker 3 00:15:53 No, but
Speaker 2 00:15:55 I think the first show he played with, he was 19 years old and it's kind of been funny to just kind of see him just come out of his shell and
Speaker 3 00:16:01 His first gig was with Farn. Yeah. So like are where his second gig.
Speaker 2 00:16:05 Yeah. And so he comes in and just his last
Speaker 3 00:16:07 Gig. His last gig.
Speaker 2 00:16:09 I hope so. Man. Don't
Speaker 3 00:16:10 Quit on us Weston.
Speaker 2 00:16:10 He's he's so good. He's so good. And uh, he's such a blessing to Oh, they're all a blessing to have. And we,
Speaker 3 00:16:15 But Gary's right, just watching him like literally bloom into the player. He's Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:16:19 Crazy. He's like a deer in headlights when we started and now he'll like go out there and rip a solo and stuff. And it's kind of funny, we, at first we had to like coax him and be like, dude,
Speaker 3 00:16:27 Come on, get out there.
Speaker 2 00:16:28 Have fun. Don't like be scared to be
Speaker 1 00:16:30 Here. Our front of house guy, Jerry Sloan, who's a legend the other day, like I played some like lap seal solo and I wasn't on the catwalk and he is like, Kurt, I didn't know your lap seal worked when you weren't on the catwalk. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:16:43 <laugh>. Kurt doesn't mind getting out there. Oh yeah. I love it. I saw you steal someone's beer one night. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:16:48 Yeah. And then I fell down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:16:50 <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say that. Yeah. That was video we took. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:16:54 <laugh>. Yeah. Nick took that video actually. So it's
Speaker 3 00:16:56 A fantastic video. Yeah. It should be on your wall.
Speaker 1 00:16:59 I know. I need to buy one of those like electronic frames and hang
Speaker 3 00:17:02 Just <laugh>. Exactly.
Speaker 1 00:17:03 He um, and that was in Alabama actually.
Speaker 3 00:17:05 Yeah. Ba it was funny that day, like
Speaker 4 00:17:09 He didn't even know we were there and we were literally right in front of him when he
Speaker 3 00:17:13 Fell. He was like, what? Kelly and
Speaker 1 00:17:14 I, yeah. Just for some context, I ran, I've ran to play this guitar solo, uh, with Luke and ran all the way down the catwalk and I played the solo and I was like, I crushed it. I'm great. I grabbed this girl's drink like in the front row and I like chug it and I gave her back to her and I turned around to go back and I just, it was like raining. I just ate shit and fell. And it's like my most pop I posted on TikTok. It was just like my most popular video ever is like me falling down.
Speaker 3 00:17:40 Yes. People like, when you get hurt, it's like watching Big Daddy, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he's like, you want me to get hit by the taxi? He's like, yeah, <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:17:46 Brutal.
Speaker 4 00:17:47 America's funny with some videos.
Speaker 3 00:17:48 Have,
Speaker 2 00:17:49 Have either of us ever like, ate it on stage?
Speaker 3 00:17:53 I don't think so.
Speaker 4 00:17:54 I wouldn't be talking about this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:17:55 Knock, knock on wood. I mean, if it happened
Speaker 1 00:17:59 Happen,
Speaker 3 00:17:59 Don't, I don't run on stage though. Like Kurt runs. Yeah. But you also have like a 200 foot cat.
Speaker 2 00:18:04 Yeah. You know, you gotta, you got a different set of problems than
Speaker 3 00:18:07 We do. Yeah. We're still playing clubs, so it's like,
Speaker 1 00:18:09 It was, it's just like, I wasn't mad when it happened. I'm like, it's gonna happen. Eventually it was raining. I'm wearing boots with leather souls and I'm chugging someone's drink.
Speaker 4 00:18:18 Yeah. You're not that
Speaker 2 00:18:18 Smart. A recipe for
Speaker 1 00:18:19 Success. Not that smart. But you gotta, that's just part of, it's Yeah. You have nice
Speaker 3 00:18:22 Spirit. I mean, define smart. Yeah, exactly. It's like subjective.
Speaker 1 00:18:25 I mean like Luke Bryan fell off the stage. I didn't fall off the stage. True. I just fell on the stage. Not that big of a deal. It
Speaker 4 00:18:31 Would've been funny if he fell off the stage, like into my arm skirt.
Speaker 1 00:18:34 Jake fell off the stage at CMAs one time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:18:37 Like fell off the back.
Speaker 1 00:18:38 Yeah. Oh my God.
Speaker 2 00:18:40 Like why he was playing?
Speaker 1 00:18:41 No, like it was like, we had done a dress rehearsal and we were walking and it, it was like, it is fair. Like, it was like, the edge of the stage was just like a six foot drop and he just didn't, I guess he didn't notice it or it was dark and he just fell. He was totally fine. He was like, Hey guys. Like I just fell down and we were like, are you okay? And he's like, yeah, I'm totally fine. And then we just made fun of him ever since then. Constantly. Oh, old bop old bop
Speaker 2 00:19:04 Dude. I love that guy. Same. He's so, he's such a good dude.
Speaker 3 00:19:08 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. You feel like that when you tell like, inside jokes on podcasts, like people enjoy it?
Speaker 1 00:19:13 Well sometimes we talk about like, every people are like, wow, that's a cool photo on your wall. And we like talk about like something that they can't see. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:19:19 Obviously can't see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:19:21 The inside jokes. Everyone's like, what, who's his pop
Speaker 2 00:19:25 Guy?
Speaker 1 00:19:26 He's our drummer with Luke Combs and he's our special friend. We love him very much. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:19:30 He's a good guy for sure. We
Speaker 4 00:19:31 Love him. For sure. Well, uh, also you guys had a podcast and you had me on as a guest. You
Speaker 3 00:19:37 Were our last episode ever. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:19:39 Darn close. Like once you get perfection like me, you're
Speaker 3 00:19:42 Just like, you know what? Yeah, we're just like, we're done dude. Yeah. That was, that was
Speaker 1 00:19:45 <laugh>. Like,
Speaker 2 00:19:45 There's nothing we need to talk about anymore.
Speaker 1 00:19:48 Ashville,
Speaker 3 00:19:48 You're like one of the last two. Seriously. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:19:50 <laugh>, the Nashville podcast scene is so ancestral these days.
Speaker 4 00:19:53 Yeah, it is. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's, it's so weird word to use, but it's very true. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:19:58 I mean we're from the south, so
Speaker 1 00:19:59 It's like Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 00:20:01 Nah, I mean we, we had, we have, I'd say we still have a podcast. I'm not gonna say we'll never do it again, but we just kind of, once touring came back Yeah. It got really tough to be like, okay, when we have, we travel in a advance still. So like we get four, if we're doing a three day run, it's four to five days. Right. Both married, got, there's just day-today stuff we gotta get done done. Yeah. There's
Speaker 3 00:20:23 Just life to
Speaker 2 00:20:23 Live, you know, and it's like, man, like as much as we love the podcast, like we got other things we gotta do. Yep. And, and that's just kinda one of the things. Right. Or
Speaker 1 00:20:32 Just sit at home and do nothing sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:20:34 So
Speaker 2 00:20:34 A hundred percent. And so play video games.
Speaker 4 00:20:36 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:36 Yeah. No doubt. And so it's just finding those things where you're like, okay, what if we got some time? What do we need to be doing? Right. If we're gonna count, you know, uh, a podcast for a workday, like we need to make sure like it's gonna be a day. Right. You know, and we just, we like, that's a
Speaker 3 00:20:52 Lot of pressure on us Nick. It is
Speaker 2 00:20:54 <laugh>. And, and we just kind of found ourself, I'm, I don't wanna speak out of turn, but it was like we, we were doing it and we enjoyed it and it was fun to have different guests, but we were kind of just like doing it just to do it. Yeah. And so I was like, man, if we're not really, like,
Speaker 3 00:21:07 We weren't putting as much brain real estate into it as we like, should have to make it great.
Speaker 2 00:21:11 You know? And so that just kind of like, well if we're not, if we shouldn't just do anything Right. To just do anything at this point. And so, but I mean, we're gonna revisit it and, you know, when our tour and situation becomes different and we get a little more of that free time and you're not just, you know, trying to catch every hour of sleep you're trying to get on the road, like that opens up a whole different thing. Cause we could, we got a mobile podcast where we could take that anywhere and do it. It just finding the time to do it and it kind of fell on the sword, so to speak. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:21:41 <affirmative>. But I think that gives you an idea too of like, again, like, like you're saying, like anything you do, you have to put yourself into Right?
Speaker 3 00:21:47 Oh. If you want it to be good.
Speaker 4 00:21:48 Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the same thing with music Man. It's like, and Kurt with photography, you know what I mean? Like, if you, if you want to do something, it has to be a priority, right? Yeah. And that's like, it's one of the things that, like, like we talked about when I was on your guys' podcast, you're like, is this thing gonna last? You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. It's totally is Ray's rowdy gonna be around, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's, it's one of those things where it's like, that's a statement of attrition. It's also a statement of like, where are my resources the best? Right? Yeah. So like if I'm hosting an event in town and it's not doing good, I'm gonna pivot and try something else. Absolute. You know what I mean? So this
Speaker 3 00:22:23 Is, that's what we did. Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:22:24 You know, that's you guys using your resources and saying, you know what, we could probably get another song or two a week that we're writing, right? Absolutely. Instead of doing this podcast. And then we don't only have to chase down each other and our friends that are in town, you know? Well,
Speaker 3 00:22:36 It takes so long. I mean, and not like knocking podcasting cuz like Yeah, it looks, it's great. Like it's the, it's really fun to just bullshit with people, but it's like, it's really hard to monetize. It takes a long time to, to monetize. And it's like, Hey dude, we, we got a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. Like, we might as well do two YouTube videos is a month instead. You know, it's like, that's just where our, I just subscribed to you guys by the way. Oh, thank,
Speaker 4 00:22:59 Thank you.
Speaker 3 00:23:00 Thanks. That's just where our mind and like our business, it is not even, even like greedy. It's just like, Hey, what's making us money? Let's crush that. Let's make that happen so we can have the free time in 10 years to do whatever the hell we want to do. Right? Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:23:12 Yeah. I mean once we had, we have a, a record that's coming out. I mean this is, this really, this kind of ha could be some stuff we talk about a little bit. But like, so once we did that, this is the first time we've ever had like a real team around a record. Yeah. So we did like a distribution deal, have a, where we talked about a PR team and, and then digital marketing. Digital marketing, yeah. And so like we have all these independent radio team and so we didn't realize all the assets Yes. They need. And so cuz all we've done is literally, here's the record, we get it mastered and we put it on TuneCore and just see what happens. Like that's all. Yeah. That's
Speaker 3 00:23:47 All, that's what we've done for five years.
Speaker 2 00:23:48 <laugh>. Yeah. So like kind of going into this thing, you know, the since like really since dying for a living or I'd probably say the month lead up to that. I didn't realize all the planning that really goes into this stuff. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 00:23:59 It
Speaker 2 00:23:59 Is. And it, it's a year long
Speaker 3 00:24:01 Plane.
Speaker 2 00:24:01 Yeah. It's like, like we're shooting a music video tomorrow before, you know, we get and go to Statesboro, Georgia this weekend. And so it's like, oh yeah. Finding notes times. It's like we, God, we really don't have a lot of it, so we gotta kind of spend our time wisely.
Speaker 4 00:24:14 Well I think that's it, man. And that's, that's a part of having the brain for the business is like pivoting, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's like if you're doing something and you love it, great. And if it's having success, even better, you know? Yeah. But if it's like, okay, I like this, but I like this other thing that we're doing a little bit more or just as much, this is a better use of my resources, you know,
Speaker 3 00:24:32 And it's just like, where are you passionate about? Exactly. Like what are you passionate about? It's not even really about the money, it's just like Right. Is this like really lighten your fire to do. Right. And and that was one of the things that we kind of decided about it. We were like, eh, you know, it's like I'm not like pumped about it all the time. So let's just at least just put it to side right now and focus, revisit it later. Other things.
Speaker 4 00:24:51 One specifically with like an album dropping. Right. So like, you're gonna need to be on other people's podcast. Right. Exactly. All spread that wealth,
Speaker 3 00:24:57 Which is way easier, by the way. Yeah. <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:24:59 <laugh>. You can interview yourself on your own podcast,
Speaker 3 00:25:01 Don't have to do shit. You're just like, hey, let's just show
Speaker 2 00:25:03 Up and talk. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 00:25:04 So we definitely don't have any problems with that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:25:07 <laugh>. No.
Speaker 1 00:25:07 Um, same. It it's fun man. Then you gotta like edit it and do all this other stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:25:12 That's why we were coming on yours. Cause we don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 00:25:14 Charlie has to do it. Charlie, Charlie. Charlie.
Speaker 3 00:25:16 Charlie. Thanks Charlie. Charlie, you
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Speaker 3 00:26:07 Correct. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:26:08 You got a badass cameo. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:26:10 I'm pretty stoked about it. When is this gonna drop?
Speaker 4 00:26:12 Uh, probably next week.
Speaker 3 00:26:13 Okay. Well it's the, that dollar for living video's coming out next week.
Speaker 4 00:26:17 Yeah. And, and I heard through the grapevine that it's gonna be on. Oh, good pun. The television.
Speaker 3 00:26:22 Yes. It's gonna be on cmt. It's
Speaker 2 00:26:23 Gonna be on cmt, which is cool. We've never got a little taste of the CMT thing, but the, the record's coming. We're just gonna drop a few singles off the record Yeah. First to kind of lead up to it. And then we'll be making an announcement pretty soon when the record will come
Speaker 3 00:26:38 Out. We're shooting another video, so like, obviously another single will be coming too. Right? Yeah. So I don't even remember what day that one's
Speaker 2 00:26:44 Coming out. Yeah. So, uh, I think it's sometime in October is when the next one's coming out. Okay. And so we're doing like a whiskey jam and stuff Yes. With it too. Let an, an outdoor one. So Yeah. It's gonna be fun. We're getting all the artists lined up with it, you know, that we feel like makes sense cohesively. We're kind of where we're taking things. Yeah. And so, uh, we're excited about that. So some fun stuff. Then we wanna do the raise rowdy, like writer's round for when the record comes out. Let's do it. And then we wanna have all the writers from the record play writer's round. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:27:11 Amazing.
Speaker 4 00:27:11 That's a
Speaker 2 00:27:11 Great idea. Yeah. So we thought, yeah, no one steal that, but we're gonna do that in like, when the record comes out. Yeah. So we'll have a little time to link that up and make that a big blowout thing. Yeah. Love. So we'd love to do that with y'all. Absolutely, absolutely. Killer. Yeah. So we,
Speaker 4 00:27:24 And we'll make Kurt take a bunch of photos of it too. Take all the good photos. I'll play guitar too.
Speaker 3 00:27:28 I was gonna say, we'll just make Kurt play.
Speaker 4 00:27:31 We like to make him do double duty and then we'll have one of his friends take photos on the house. That's true.
Speaker 2 00:27:34 Right? Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:27:35 But no, it's, it's cool when, like, so from the first track sonically, this is a little bit different than what you guys have been doing. Totally. What can you tell us about that? Like w w was that mindful or is it just like the songs came out that way? Or, you know, kind of how did that come to
Speaker 3 00:27:49 Be? Man, ironically we made two records last year and one was like this like rock record and then one was this country record. And honestly we just kind of had a lot of time to soul search and, and it, and we put out so much music that we're proud of already. Like, I'm not, I would never discount anything that we've done Yeah. So far. Cause it's brought us to where we are. But like I said, we just had a little more time to like look deep into what we wanna do and what we wanna say and what we wanna be represented as. And we're, we're kind of tired of being the band that like no one knows like what, like what, what are they, like, what do they play? What genre are they in? Mm. You know, it's like, what do they play? Which is was so cool for a long time. And it's like, I'm ready, we're ready to start, like digging our feet down in the sand in a genre and like, grew up listening to country or I grew up listening to country music and like, we always go back to the classic more classic style country. Like, that's just what gets me going. Yeah. Like if you, like, if you catch me at 3:00 AM in the sprinter, everyone's trying to sleep and like I'm jamming Doug Stone in the front <laugh>. Like, it's just like, and so that those like influences really shine through on this record.
Speaker 2 00:28:59 It's, it's really a mix of like, I, I gravitate towards like the Americana mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And the more like, uh, I mean I'm, I'm big into like the Childers thing, the Brent Cobb thing. Yeah. Sturgill like the, and I love specifically like the seventies country realm, like the, the highway men, the Wayland phaser thing and that sort of thing. Tell Yeah. And so it's kind of a cool blend of like, Charlie's like super into the nineties and, and those kind of songs just like you hear it in Dine for a Living. Yeah. Doubt. Yeah. Doubt. But d for a living takes a Skinner approach to it. Mm-hmm. Instead of being, you know, a walk in the floor washing you, fiddling, you know, whatever. It's like, hey, let's like make this bombastic as shit and like make it really electric really, you know, insane. Like, and so it works so hard.
Speaker 2 00:29:45 Right. And so, and and, and it's cool. And I don't know, just as we're growing up and getting older, we kind of start realizing like, man, what are we listening to and what, what do, what do I always go back to, what does Charlie always go back to? And really kind of as we've grown, it's like, man, I don't really care about writing a hit song anymore. It's not about that. If that happens, great, I just want to go in with Charlie and we are gonna try to write the best song we can Yeah. That we both love and that represents us
Speaker 3 00:30:13 The best muscadine song.
Speaker 2 00:30:14 Right. You know, and, and, and that's one of those things you move to Nashville, you get the pub deal, you start writing with everyone who's got the accolades and you kind of see that, you know, unconscious shift of where that formulaic shift shift where you're writing. Yeah. Instead of just being like, Hey, you know what, let's not write until we have something to write about. And that's kind of the approach we've taken the last couple years is, you know, we don't write as many songs as we used to, but when we're writing it's very intentional and not just, Hey, let's get up with so-and-so and see what we just swing the bat come up with. It's like, nah, this is something that's really on my heart, something that I've, I've wanted to write about. It's geospecific it takes you to a timestamp in your life or whatever that is.
Speaker 2 00:30:58 Or just saying, Hey, here's a story about some guy and, and let's, let's do that. And, and that's the kind of kind of approach we've been more taken and how it's, how it's going. And it's just as honest as it can be really from us. Yeah. It's just, and, and we just, with this approach of this record, like we, we kinda have a family mindset. Like when it comes to everybody on our team and like our band played, our touring band played on this record. Oh yeah. I love that. And so, and so that's the thing that's kind of not done as much anymore. And I feel like a lot of times the only differential like aspect of songs a lot of times is the vocal that's doing it when you have all these hit writers writing the songs, they're the hot guys. So everyone's going to their songs.
Speaker 3 00:31:40 They're in the song mill, you know, everybody's writing, here's band to get
Speaker 2 00:31:43 A hit. Song's the band that everyone plays with. And so it's like, no, let's just like make this a special thing. Make it something that the band can get behind. And they're like, dang, I actually played that on the record. And that's me like that I have my own identity in that. And so coming to that approach just really makes one, making music way more fun, way more relaxed because it's not like, okay, let's go in with the session band. They, we, we run through it on acoustic guitar one time at this
Speaker 3 00:32:11 Studio that we're paying too much for Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:32:12 Or whatever. And it's like, instead of that, it's like, nah, let's really dive into every little nuance of this. Let's not miss anything. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:19 It's like Brothers Osborne rented that, that studio in Florida. Yeah. And they just camped out
Speaker 3 00:32:23 There for
Speaker 2 00:32:24 The Port St. Joe album. Right. Yeah. And so, and that's the thing. We, and that's
Speaker 3 00:32:27 The mindset that we've taken, you know,
Speaker 2 00:32:29 Just in Hermitage
Speaker 3 00:32:30 Desire to
Speaker 2 00:32:30 Do like, you know, we're kind of taking the approach, you know, not counting our eggs before they hatch, but you know, we're, we're ready to do the next record cuz we've been living with this thing for like, like 10 months mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like, we're already, we're all, I mean, that's just how we've
Speaker 3 00:32:44 Already like, picked the songs for the next
Speaker 2 00:32:46 <laugh>. Right. Like the record's done, like writing wise and now it's just like, you know, it's, it's something that's very, very much more geospecific than even the record that's coming out, you know, which
Speaker 3 00:32:57 Is even weird to talk about another record that hasn't come out. Right. That
Speaker 2 00:33:00 Hasn't come out. And so it sounds like in conception, but I think it's
Speaker 3 00:33:02 Just a lot easier. Like what do we Right when you know what your sound is, the songs just flow a lot easier,
Speaker 2 00:33:07 I think. Yeah. And so, I mean, and we've even talked about just like taking Ryan Humans who we, we do all of our records with and he co-produces with us and engineers and he's a freaking rockstar. And, uh, we've talked about even going back to mobile and just, there's an awesome studio there called Dolphin Street Sound. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, let's just camp out for a month and do a record.
Speaker 3 00:33:27 Yeah. Jake PV owns his, the studio down there. Get the fuck out. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 00:33:30 Yeah. So, and, and it's kinda like a lot of the songs are about Mobile County and like, stuff that happened there and you know, different characters we've created to tell a story. And that's kind of one of those things where it's like, man, well let's, let's get in the mode and go there. Just live there for
Speaker 3 00:33:46 A little bit. Does it be there for a month or
Speaker 2 00:33:47 Whatever? Right. And, and honestly just taking time on records now mm-hmm. <affirmative> is, is important to us too because I, I don't know why the, we had this epiphany literally like three months ago. It was like, why is that music is the thing that everyone is rushing in this town and this is the thing that matters the most. It doesn't matter about, it's, it's not as much about the visual content,
Speaker 3 00:34:10 It sells your entire career. Right. Like, it's like, it's all
Speaker 2 00:34:13 About the music. So why are we putting, why are we putting our music or this album we're putting out into this two week window and trying to get it done? It's like, nah, let's just like, just take our time.
Speaker 3 00:34:25 It's like two months. Yeah. Like
Speaker 2 00:34:26 Whatever, live with, live with something for a little bit. Don't have any regrets when you put it out. And then honestly, I feel like it'll even hold more weight in your heart to be like, man, this is, this is my heart. Like this is, this whole thing is so just in the moment and we're gonna take our time on this thing and really make sure we got it. How Charlie and I seem fit to put it out to the world.
Speaker 3 00:34:48 And so, I mean, to touch on that even more, like, I think a lot of it is like that because the world is so visual now. Yeah. It's easy, it's easy for like young artists or whatever to just be like, who I don't care who's producing it. I don't care what it sounds like. Like I got a million followers on TikTok and I'll be able to sell it theoretically. So that's just what the priority of a lot of artists is now. So it's like, it's good. I'm glad we don't have a million TikTok followers cuz we still gotta, we still gotta earn this shit in the studio. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:35:17 And so, but yeah, that's kind of, even with this record, the approach we took on it and like, like I said, Charlie and I, we did do two records and we really just kind of had to come to Jesus and we did the, the the Rock one first. And I mean, it's like heavy headed.
Speaker 3 00:35:31 We like planned to put it out too. Yeah. Like it was like the plan. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:35:35 I was like, let's do this. And I, and it's, it is way outta life. It's cool as
Speaker 3 00:35:38 Shit though though. Like, I ain't gonna lie, I still like,
Speaker 2 00:35:39 It has like some, some Allison change vibes and like, some like very grunge, very just like, I don't know, I don't even know some of the songs. I'm like, I've played it for some people and I'll we'll send it to y'all. Some of the stuff. But it's like, it's literally like, people are like, I don't know what this is, but it's cool. Like, and it's just so different. But then I was like, man, we just gotta stop. Just kind of just being like, okay, we swing in the back, we this record, let's just do this now we do this and, and it's like all over the place. It's like when it comes to the end of the day, like,
Speaker 3 00:36:07 We're not the Eagles,
Speaker 2 00:36:08 So like <laugh> Yeah. We gotta like, we gotta find what Musket on Bloodline is. And we, and then once we kind of figured that out, we just started writing this record that's, you know, that's coming soon and they just kind of just fell out and we Awesome. I wanna say every single song on this, besides one, we're all written over quarantine. Yeah. I wanna say. And so, and so that's what makes it even real wasn't just like, here's, oh, you know, this batch of songs, we think this one might go well or whatever. And we
Speaker 3 00:36:38 Didn't just pick from a batch.
Speaker 2 00:36:39 Right. It's just like, nah, we wrote a, an intentional record. It's like, until we felt like deemed it done, we were like, okay, we're done writing this thing, now let's just go in and record it. So it's, it's fun. We're really excited about it. And it's the first time too, like, this might sound bad, but it's like, I don't even care if people don't like it. Like, I I
Speaker 1 00:36:58 No, that's great. Sure.
Speaker 2 00:37:00 Probably didn't care. I'm, I'm more so just, it's something that Charlie and I are proud about. I hope they like it. I hope they they love it.
Speaker 3 00:37:05 Our fans are gonna love it. But,
Speaker 2 00:37:07 But it's, it's one of those things where it's just like, this is, this is what it is. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like this is real, this is like what you're gonna get from Muscadine bloodline. Like, and so it's, it's kind of a nice, honestly, a relief kind of off your thing, trying to find what, where do we sit in this, you know, cog of what music is mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And instead it's like, okay, no, we found it. Like now let's just like get on the ship and let's just go. Right. And so it's
Speaker 1 00:37:32 Really cool. I'm dying to know, um, how sonically similar is the, is the rest of the record to the one little st snippet that we've heard in, in Time for I You don't have to if you not if you don't want to.
Speaker 2 00:37:45 No, no, no, no, no, no. There's not, there's nothing wrong. Uh, I would say, I mean that's more of more of the uptempo stuff.
Speaker 3 00:37:52 That's the most energetic
Speaker 2 00:37:52 Song I would say. Yeah. It's not gonna get crazier than that. I don't think it really can. Like it's got, you know, key changes in instrument breaks and all this crazy stuff.
Speaker 3 00:38:02 I, I would say that it, it's a story, man. Like it's got a lot of dynamic, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the first song is, is called Dispatch. The record is called Dispatch the 16th Ave. And the first, the first song is, is just about like a guy that moves to town like everyone else does to chase his dream and he dies because he,
Speaker 2 00:38:23 He it's like
Speaker 3 00:38:24 Gets caught up in, in all the things that he thinks matters when it's really just making the music you love that
Speaker 2 00:38:29 Matters. Yeah. It's, it's, it's like a parallel of like the industry killing this guy instead of like going out and doing what he was supposed to do. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it kind of can go either way. It's like, okay, this guy is now in the machine doing it, or he rejected the industry and has to go home and it's the end of this guy.
Speaker 3 00:38:46 Yeah. And then it moves to a ballad, like the second song on the record's. A ballad.
Speaker 2 00:38:49 Yeah. And so it's, but the cool thing I you'll appreciate about this record and you will tune it, but like every, every song flows together. Every single song. Cool.
Speaker 3 00:38:58 Like that
Speaker 1 00:38:58 One some sound does.
Speaker 3 00:38:59 Yes. Yeah, exactly. So every
Speaker 2 00:39:00 Exactly every song transitions to the next one. So there's different key changes in like, all this stuff. And like, there might be this like
Speaker 3 00:39:07 Steel solos Yeah. That, you know, just like is, I mean it was a lot of influence from the Jamie Johnson record. That's fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's
Speaker 2 00:39:13 Like, and we introduce pedal steel, like at a point in the record, and then it has a farewell. It, it leaves. Wow. That's cool. And so it's, so it's like those little nuances that no one really thinks about until like, you tell 'em like, nah, this was like intentional.
Speaker 3 00:39:27 That's the funnest part to hear, like, watch people listen to it. We're like, yeah, we're like the, the comic, like the comic that's like telling you the punchline of the jokes. Like you get it right. Like <laugh>. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And they're like, well, I didn't notice, I was just listening to the lyrics, but whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:40 But yeah, I mean, I think, I think the kind of goal of ours was really to kind of get outside of the box and not just write what I like. I feel like a lot of things that are going on in, in country, like Top 40 Country, for the most part it's like, unless it's party, you know, the the mullet gang, you know, crack, you know, crack a beer, you know, shotgun it. I'm cool with that. Like, I'm not discrediting any of that, or it's either breakup or love that's like it right now. So it's like whatever happened to like, just talking about different topics, you know, that are, that don't necessarily have to deal with those and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it's like taking different approaches. You know, we talk about, you know, what it's like to be from Alabama, the dichotomy of being from the south, the goods and the bads and that, that sort of things that we just subject that no one, like you don't hear that much and unless you've lived it. And so like that's, that was a thing is like all these songs on this record have been, have been lived, you know, even at dying for a living. Like, I'm not gonna say we're outlaw honky honkytonky and whatever, but like, we're the, we're out there, you know, dying for a living, playing, playing.
Speaker 3 00:40:49 We've, we've lived
Speaker 2 00:40:50 The song, you know what I'm saying? Sitting
Speaker 3 00:40:51 In the van for totally
Speaker 2 00:40:52 Two hours and no sleep, no nothing. Having partying, having, you know, good time and there, and there's a time and place for that. And it's, and but nothing, nothing. It's not, it's not just like, Hey, here's this shadowy character that we just made up in a writer's room. It's like, nah, this is like very intentional. Like there's no, there's no, Hey, let's not make up this guy. It's like, nah, this, this guy's real, it's us. And so like let's, you know, go in and write like that. And it's like, then you can kind of show a perspective that the listeners like, oh crap. Like they've literally, you know, lived this stuff. So that's important. I feel like
Speaker 1 00:41:27 Yeah. Writing, I mean like, it's just like real life shit that you guys are talking about, sounds like.
Speaker 2 00:41:32 Yeah. And yeah, go ahead Nick. I think
Speaker 4 00:41:34 If you're talking about the stuff that lyrically hits the most home of people right now, it's stuff like that man. That's why Childers is so well loved because he is talking about life.
Speaker 3 00:41:44 Well, people want where he's from, like Yeah. It's like no one knows where Hickman holler is. Right. It's like, but that's, that is the cool thing about it. Like that no one knows what it is. It's just like, it's a place that he went or whatever. I don't, you know, I don't even know where it is. But
Speaker 2 00:41:57 Even like the listener has their Hickman Hollow. Yes. You know exactly what I'm saying. They have your own, that's, that's one thing that's, that's important. And I, like I said, I think people really do, you're right, Nick, they they crave depth now Yeah. Of more than anything. And so it's just like, if you can get deep and, and touch people here, like that's, that's do job's well done.
Speaker 4 00:42:16 And those are the songs that live forever.
Speaker 3 00:42:17 Right. Exactly. That's the goal is to create the timeless piece, you know? Right. I mean, everybody's chasing it. <laugh> Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:42:23 But e but even sonically, it's, it's timeless. Like, I mean it sounds a lot of it's, it's a retro kind of record. Like it's very, it's very traditional mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it's, it's a five piece band. Like that's
Speaker 3 00:42:33 How, like you hear exactly what is there. That's it. Yeah. There's no special, no vocal editing. Zero is nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:42:40 It's just all just raw. Doing it with the band we play with every night. That's so cool, man. It's so that is so fucking cool. Come coming back and like playing it live. It's like you're gonna get, you're gonna get the realest ver I mean, we're, I'm playing through my road rig. Like that's even to that. We didn't go in there and say, here's a hundred guitars and a hundred pedals that we can, you know, create this cool thing
Speaker 3 00:43:01 And like playing my guitar. Yes. You know, it's, it's like we, we
Speaker 2 00:43:04 Literally minimized it to like, we found a sound for each, for each of us. Even with Weston Weston and I played the same electric guitar. Uh, or we played different guitars, but he played the same one throughout the whole record. And then I played the same one through the whole record. Found a tone that is gonna be like, that's
Speaker 3 00:43:23 Gary, the timestamp of the record
Speaker 2 00:43:24 That's Western playing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so like, and we did, and, and, and a lot mu musicality. Like, we have a great band and Weston's a killer guitar player. Yep. You know, so we did a lot of like, double solo things. We didn't have to, but we were like, let's do it. Why not? We got, you know, two guys to play electric guitar and this band, let's just like, let's pimp this record out a little bit and, and really say, Hey, let's, you know, shine, make, let everybody shine. And so that was kind of, you know, a cool thing about this record too. Instead of like, okay, nah, let's hurry up and get back to the hook. Instead of, it's like, nah, let it live. Who cares if it's four and a half minutes long? Like,
Speaker 3 00:43:57 I've got, I've got like, uh, 30 different takes of West End doing the dime for living solo. Like, not the same one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because he doesn't, he's not the type of player that like, plays the same thing and like, just improves it a little bit. Like he just has to play something completely different. And it wa it was like, it was like hilariously like frustrating slash amazing to watch. Yeah. Cause we were like, Weston, like this part of that last solo was so cool. Like, do that again. He's like, okay. And he just plays something completely different. You're like, wait, what? But like, I have literally have 30 takes on my phone of like these phenomenal solos, <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:44:28 And it's funny cuz it even lives in that too, cuz like, I'm a very, I have to write the solo before I play it, and so mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I'll take 10 takes to try to just get the solo I've already written. Right,
Speaker 3 00:44:37 Right. The same one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:44:39 Right. And so, like, and it's kind of cool to see the different play and styles. Like I'm, I'm more of just a melodic player instead of, you know, I can't rip like, and Weston can freaking rip and
Speaker 3 00:44:49 So Yeah. You can, yeah. He's
Speaker 2 00:44:50 A freak. And so, I mean, you even hear it on even dying for a living. Like, we do the key change break and I'm playing this little, and it's just like this repeating thing and then Weston comes in on the key change and just freaking shreds it. And so it's just like,
Speaker 3 00:45:05 I'm gonna shred it tonight when we jam. Yes. And
Speaker 2 00:45:08 So, but, uh, but no, it was cool. It was, it was the most fun. I, I would say we've had in the record and, and we're producing our own stuff. So like that's what even makes it fun to where it's like, there's no, there's no like regrets really.
Speaker 3 00:45:22 It just gives you an immense pride about it too. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 2 00:45:24 It's like, dude, and like if it crashes and burned, it's on us. We don't have to, we can't be like, oh, it's cuz you know, so-and-so was producing.
Speaker 3 00:45:30 Can't blame nobody. Yeah. It's
Speaker 2 00:45:31 Like you got no one belts on yourself to look in the mirror to do it. So
Speaker 4 00:45:36 This is definitely getting me so excited to hear this record. Yes. Well, and I love that you guys are, are all right, let's get these resources that like, that the big dogs have. Like, let's get Sure. A freaking team behind us, right?
Speaker 3 00:45:47 Yeah. We've basically built an independent record label. Yeah, yeah. Is great. Great. That's what we did. Yeah. Yeah. Which is cool. And
Speaker 4 00:45:53 Then you're gonna have the timestamp of how that looks, right? Yeah. And you're gonna know if you did make a mistake, what,
Speaker 3 00:45:57 Or if it worked, flip that or if it worked. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:45:59 Yeah. If that worked great. Or if that portion you're like, oh, we could do that slightly different. That's how you build it, man. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:46:05 It's,
Speaker 3 00:46:05 That's how we've learned from the beginning too. Yeah. It's just trial by fire. Like, it's like, don't be afraid. One thing Gary and I are are not afraid to do is, is, is fail. Like, it's like we're not afraid because if you fail, then great. You learned and you don't, you don't have to do that again. Yeah. That's, that's, that's how we've gotten to where we are, is like, we've never been afraid to be like, Hey, let's just pull the trigger, dude. It's never been a scared decision that just went away. It's always just like, Hey dude, why not? Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the fun part. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:46:34 And you get, and, and the model we've built, you had that freedom. Yeah. Be like, Hey, let's just go do it. Like, we, like that's just the awesome thing about where we're at is like, we can wake up every morning and do whatever we want. And that's, it's a really nice thing yet slash scary thing because like a lot's riding on that, but at the same time, it's like, we get up one morning and I'm not feeling it. He's like, Hey, well let's just not do it. You know? It's not that, it's not that deep. And so it's, it's been a, it is been a cool thing to kind of see that progression and like you said, just the learning every year. And we actually did our, you know, we set our goals for 2022, you know, actually this week, you know, coming in like, okay, what are we gonna do different? And it's like, no, we're just gonna see these plans through and we're just gonna do it. And then when it comes to 2023, we'll,
Speaker 3 00:47:19 We'll take, well, we'll change, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:47:19 We'll take what we've learned,
Speaker 3 00:47:21 We'll take what we hated and don't do that and take what we loved and double down on that shit. Right.
Speaker 2 00:47:25 <laugh>. Yeah. And, and that's what you're talking about. So it's like, we built this, like I said, basically an independent label Yeah. Doing that. And it's like, okay, we'll get, we're gonna see this thing through, we're gonna do everything. Like, cuz we've never done a record like this. It's all only just been Charlie and I and a Amanda never had
Speaker 3 00:47:40 Any like, promo like this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:47:41 Right. And so, and so I was like, okay, well what can we take, what can we learn from it? And what did we love about this? What did we not like? And then we will tailor a plan when the next record comes around and, and do that. So
Speaker 4 00:47:52 Dude, and, and you're gonna have that, that footprint of exactly what worked at that time. And then you're gonna have ideas of like how you can pivot or how you can adjust. Right? Yeah. And then, then you're basically gonna have an independent record label.
Speaker 3 00:48:04 Yeah. I mean yeah.
Speaker 4 00:48:06 In theory you could help other folks.
Speaker 3 00:48:07 You need an
Speaker 2 00:48:08 Yeah, exactly. Dude. It's funny, that's another thing we were talking about. It's like we gotta, we, we kind of feel like burdened to be like, we gotta get it to the next level. Just keep, just keep going. We gotta get a little
Speaker 3 00:48:20 Farther.
Speaker 2 00:48:20 Right. And then that's another thing. It's like, invest in this. It's like, like, dude or girl, like this, this can work. Like it really can. Right? Like, like whatever everyone's telling you. That's not true. Cuz you can now look at the blueprint and I, and like, we're at the point too, it's like, I don't even care if like, someone in 15 years does the musket eye bloodline blue blueprint and smokes what we did. Like, it's just like, nah, you were just the one you set
Speaker 4 00:48:43 That grounder you,
Speaker 2 00:48:43 You, you changed the culture.
Speaker 3 00:48:45 Right. We literally just want to prove that you can do it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> without help. Like, that's what we're trying to prove.
Speaker 2 00:48:50 And it's really just a principle thing at this point. Like, it's not like, and we, we always tell people it's like, dude, we're not anti label. It's not, it's not about that. It's just like, this is our journey and like, we're kind of just, we're at this point now six years in and it's, and it's blowing and going. And we're kind of like, Hey, let's just see how far we can take this thing. Why not? You know, let's just keep, let's just keep going. And you know, if they say there's a glass ceiling, let's see if we can break that thing and then just see how far we can take it. And we never know what we could look back at 10 years and it'd be incredible, you know? That's so
Speaker 3 00:49:22 Inspiring,
Speaker 2 00:49:22 Man. Yeah. I mean, so
Speaker 3 00:49:24 Hype for y'all.
Speaker 2 00:49:25 No, it's, I mean it's exciting. Let's go. It's exciting time and I mean, I, I agree with Charlie, like, you know, I've never been happier. Yeah. When, when, when we're doing this and it's, it's a awesome feeling to be content yet driven. Yeah. Like that's, that's,
Speaker 3 00:49:40 It's a weird combo when it's like
Speaker 2 00:49:42 <laugh> when you make, when you make that point to where it's like, dude, I'm content with where we are. I really am. Like I, I I go to bed and I sleep, sleep good at night, you know, with the decisions we've made and that sort of thing and what we've built. And it's just like, but still we're driven guys. Like yeah.
Speaker 3 00:49:56 We're always looking for the next thing, right. And how to make it better and
Speaker 2 00:49:59 Wanna push it forward. But that's like the perfect recipe and you just gotta, you know, we've talked about on many podcasts about checking your ego and I think 2020 did that for a lot of people and us especially is the comparison game here in Nashville and the music industry is so, it's, it's bad. And so, and it doesn't create a good head space to be in. And so, so true. We just had to come with grips and was like, Hey dude, like I don't care if you know, this guy is, it's, it's his time. Like let it let it roll. Be excited for him. Like let him do his thing. It's like, it might not just be our time to where it's like it's clicking on all four cylinders, you know, like some other artist is or what, or they got some opportunity we didn't get or whatever. It's just like, nah, just keep your head down and just keep working. And you know, it's all in the timing it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 4 00:50:49 Yeah. It's crazy too in town. Like, I call it the buzz. Like you'll it's the rollercoaster right? For artists, for a company like mine, for everyone. Yeah. For sure. Now, you know, it's the, there's so many, there's
Speaker 3 00:51:00 Peaks and valleys.
Speaker 4 00:51:01 Yes. And dude, the the higher the peak, the lower the valley
Speaker 3 00:51:05 Lying. True. So true.
Speaker 4 00:51:06 But that's how it works. But the key is if you're going down that valley very fast speed, you hopefully you get cup come back,
Speaker 3 00:51:12 You got the momentum to slide up <laugh>. Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:51:14 Yeah. And dude, that's what this music game's about. That's what writing songs is about. You know, some, there's sometimes where you're not inspired. That's,
Speaker 3 00:51:20 Dude, that's what life is about. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, it's like there's peaks and valleys in that too. Yes. And you just gotta learn to cope with it and just keep your head up and just keep going. Right?
Speaker 2 00:51:28 Yes. It's, it's kind of funny. Like we've never had, I, I feel like personally it's like we've never had this like woke up one morning and it was at a different level. Right. It's always just been this continual, gradual just little thing. But that also too helps to know that, oh, if it's gonna grow this at this snail pace,
Speaker 3 00:51:47 Eventually you're gonna be here.
Speaker 2 00:51:48 You know, it's gonna be there. And then the come down will be slow too. Right. It's not just gonna be like, okay, we're here today and then gone tomorrow. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, and so that's another thing too. It's that we're, I mean, we're just investing in what we're doing. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:52:02 And, and and, and shout out to our fans too, just because like, I mean, thank you for for for for what we, what they've given us, you know, for, you know, it's, it's pretty incredible because that's why we get to be independent. That's why we get to write whenever we want and do whatever we want and put out the music we want. And I mean that's the best part about it is like you can't do any of that shit without people that care. Yeah. Listening
Speaker 4 00:52:29 To, but you also can't do any of that shit if your live show sucks. <laugh>. So like the reason you guys sell tickets is cuz you guys are awesome live, right? Like when someone sees
Speaker 3 00:52:37 Some, I can either confirm or deny <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:52:39 Well I can confirm, but as you know, like I can see a lot of music. Right? Sure. But like, your guys' live show sells tickets because when you go to your live show you're like, I wanna go do that again. Right. Yeah. And that's guys, like you said, it's guys, it's girls, it's couples, it's everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:52:54 And
Speaker 4 00:52:54 I think at the end of the day, if you're selling tickets, that's how the industry works right now. Yeah. You're making the music this point to make yourself happy and hopefully to get more of those fans to love to love those songs and know 'em so they come back for the next show.
Speaker 3 00:53:07 Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:53:07 And we've even gone in like doing, you know, pieces of content for this record coming out. Like we actually just filmed a dime. We just, we actually have started like live tracking Yeah. Like doing that with pieces and uh, it's, it's been really fun cuz like how we kind of had to hang our hat, like when we kind of started, I had this little Nikon camera. It was, uh, and it just before iPhones were incredible. Yeah. Like we, it could,
Speaker 3 00:53:33 They were good, but like they
Speaker 2 00:53:34 Could shoot something in focus and we sang cover songs. Yeah. We did that often. It was called Bust. And I Monday released a new one every week and it really kind of built that thing. And we kinda like, as we got into more of the industry, we kind of like kind of put that on the back burner cuz we were like, no, we're not gonna do covers every week. Like whatever. But it's like taking that live approach and now doing that instead of just saying, Hey let's, you know, let's fake a performance, you know, like you would at a music video Yeah. Or something like that. It's like, no, let's just go live. And we found some like dope places to like record a live. Like we went to a Goodyear Tire center and we're in a bay and we did Dine for a living at a Goodyear Tire Center Bay <laugh>. And it's just like, and we, we, we actually heard it for the first time, like what it was at, you know, just live track. And I was like, dang, this sounds pretty good. It sound
Speaker 3 00:54:21 Like a venue bro. I was like this.
Speaker 2 00:54:23 So it's just kind of taking that more approach cuz that's, that's one thing we, that's I would say if anything we do, we take most pride in how we sound live. Yeah. Like almost to the point for me it's like I, I tailor life decisions o on the road to like, make sure those 90 minutes we're given a night are the best they can be. Like I'm super hypochondriac. Like I, if I feel like I'm getting sick, I won't talk on the road and just go like those little things. But it's just kind of like tailored us to try to just go out there and play the best show you we can actually do. Cuz like you only have one first impression. Yeah. And so like, if you leave a lasting first impression when people tweet like, dude, that was the best live show I've ever seen. Like, it's like, dude, that's that's awesome. Like that's, and they're
Speaker 3 00:55:10 Gonna come back, even when you come in and on and off night, you're like, damn, we did this and this, this and that. And everybody's like, this show changed my life. Like, shit. You're like, damn, really?
Speaker 2 00:55:19 You do how I
Speaker 3 00:55:20 Was feeling. Yeah, exactly. It's like I feel like I messed up a lot, but whatever.
Speaker 2 00:55:24 But yeah, I mean it's, it is just telling that like, we don't, I mean obviously we're touring in a van and, and you know, our sprinter in a trailer so we don't have the lights, the crazy lights show or whatever. So all we can do is focus on what we can control right now and that's just going out there playing to the best of our ability, doing awesome transitions and never losing the crowd. Yeah. That's like one important thing. It's not a lot of talking, it's not a lot of whatever. It's just like, hey, like when you don't have, you know, I envy even a guy like Luke, he can, you can probably finishes the show lights go out mm-hmm. And then we have 10 seconds to reassess whether we tune whatever. It's like, nah. When them lights are on for 90 minutes. You just gotta
Speaker 3 00:56:02 Keep going. It gets awkward if you, if you, you stop without the lights.
Speaker 2 00:56:06 So that's something we, we have really taken it pride in and it's, it's kind of funny, we're at a, we're at a point now where cuz we have this record we're sitting on that the whole band knows, but you can't go out and play a 90 minute set of a record you don't have out yet. Right. And so we find ourselves sitting in soundcheck playing, that's new stuff mm-hmm. <affirmative> and just want to play that. And it's like, well, it's not out yet, so we can't play 'em all. So
Speaker 3 00:56:27 We do play like three new songs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:56:29 So like, we, we like, we just got to a point where like, we got to Yeah. Like, it's like I can't be playing this stuff we put out in 2016 and 17 like we were doing in 2016 and 17. Right. So it's been, it's been fun to do. But yeah, we're we're really excited about this next record and the live show we're gonna bring to that. So I think the, the players like, like I said, reiterate, they're gonna like playing the stuff. They play on a record more than just learning something someone else played. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:56:56 Yeah. If you come to any of our live shows, we play dispatch, we play the title track to the record, we play Dying for a Living and we also play another one called Dead on Arrival. Yeah. It's on the record. And so, so if you come to a show, you'll hear three spanking new ones.
Speaker 2 00:57:09 Yeah. And, uh, it's been cool to see even the week Dying For a Living came out. Like just to see that it was actually out there in the ether for them to listen to the energy from it was like insane.
Speaker 3 00:57:22 And we've only had one weekend of that, by the way. Yeah. I know. Like two shows. And we both got sick,
Speaker 2 00:57:26 Right? Yeah. We both had the covid or whatever. So we had a ca we, this is the first time we've ever had to cancel a show. I got, I mean, I guess we had to, everyone had to cancel shows during Right. Quarantine. But besides that, besides that was time, first time ever. And it was, it was very strange. But I mean, we're obviously better now and, and everything on that Fuck <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:57:43 On
Speaker 2 00:57:44 On the other end of it. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, it's, it's, it is been really cool to see even Dying For Living Live. Like it has such a familiar feel and so energetic. It's almost like people think they know know it.
Speaker 3 00:57:56 They know it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:57:57 But haven't heard the song. It's like, it sounds familiar. Right. It's like on their face, they're you, they, you see 'em and they're like,
Speaker 3 00:58:03 I should know. They're like shaking it. Like they should know it. They
Speaker 2 00:58:06 Literally, it's like they know this and they don't. And so I'm just like, now that we're gonna give 'em time to actually learn it, like how insane it's gonna be. It's
Speaker 3 00:58:12 Like a hot rotted, like Dwight Yo Yoakum covers <laugh>. It really, really is. It really
Speaker 2 00:58:16 Is. Yeah. And that's probably what they think. It's like, it's just like a, like a John Michael Montgomery song or like a scanner song or whatever. Like, I don't know what this is,
Speaker 3 00:58:23 But gimme three steps or something. Yeah. And so like Dwight Yoakum with an Eight Ball. Right.
Speaker 2 00:58:28 So, but, uh, don't do
Speaker 3 00:58:29 Drugs. Kids don't do drugs.
Speaker 2 00:58:31 Kids don't do 'em. But, uh, no, it's, it's been really cool to see that one. And like I said, like the other ones too have, have gone over really well. And so we're just ready to get 'em out so people know 'em
Speaker 3 00:58:42 Well. There's nothing more exciting than releasing new shit. So I'm ready to hear it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4 00:58:46 Ready. Well, you're, uh, we're stoked to hear it. Uh, I know you said you were gonna send it to me. Um,
Speaker 3 00:58:51 You know, come on, let's go. Yeah. I got, uh, I'll send you the song Space link or whatever. Yes. I'll send you the whole record. Yeah. That's
Speaker 2 00:58:56 Perfect. Only thing, it's like when we send it, you just gotta make sure to remember to listen to it in order. Yes. Because like cohesively how you wanna listen and it's hard. Cause I wish we could just send a 40 minute, like, here, here it is. You want listen, listen to it. Yeah. And it's like, so it'll have these weird abrupt like transitions where you're like, that doesn't make sense. Yeah. But then you hear it like how you're supposed to listen to a record. You're like, okay, I see where it's coming from. You'll
Speaker 3 00:59:20 Put a vinyl out too with this, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 00:59:21 Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's already in the works. And, uh, we did our first vinyl last year and that was really a really cool thing just to see like having your own, like we've, you see it on a CD or whatever mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it's like when it something about the vinyl thing. So cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:59:36 It's kind
Speaker 2 00:59:37 Of magical. It's legit. Yeah. And it's just like, dang, like that's really cool. I mean, it's a mantlepiece, you know?
Speaker 4 00:59:41 Yeah. And I remember my dad's been in those Right. With in intention. Yeah. Right. That's an intention thing. It's,
Speaker 3 00:59:46 Well, it's like process the album, you know, it's like, yeah. It ain't just flipping on an mp3. Like, it's like, I wanna play this today. You
Speaker 2 00:59:53 Gotta really know where to put that needle if you're trying to skip songs. Right. So it's, so, it's, it's one of those things. It's like, no, it's, it's a record. It's meant to be listened to, like, as a record. And so, yeah. And that's kind of another transition too, we've kind of moved to, is like, we wanna be a record band. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like, it's not just, Hey, here's a collection of 10 hit or 10 of our best songs we wrote in this. It's like, nah, that's like specifically putting songs in places That makes sense. Yeah. And so it's, it's a cool thing. It's a journey. It has, you know, it has a lot of speed. It has a lot of, you know, ups and downs, su super sad, slow ballads, you know, that kind of have, it's like even a George Jones sound on some stuff and like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, uh, a minute long pedal still solo on a, you know, on a record and that sort of thing. And it's, it's cool. It's cool. I'm really excited for everyone to hear it.
Speaker 4 01:00:44 Well, we're excited to hear it too, man. And I'm just so excited to have you guys on the podcast. I appreciate you having me on yours as for sure.
Speaker 2 01:00:51 Yeah, dude. Well, you're, you're the homie man. Yeah, bro.
Speaker 4 01:00:53 And, uh, I, I love seeing your guys show. I was so jealous when my friends were up in Ohio and got to see you guys and I couldn't make it up. That was
Speaker 2 01:00:59 Rowdy was at the dusty armadillo
Speaker 3 01:01:01 That was Yeah. Love the dusty man. Dude.
Speaker 4 01:01:03 We had the crew out there for it, and I
Speaker 2 01:01:04 Was like, yeah. So actually we, I saw more Ray Rowdy shirts that weekend and we played in Pennsylvania as well. Yeah. And, uh, I saw a lot of Ray Rowdy gear out there in the crowd and, and we, I told you that on our podcast, we see a lot of it often, but up there in that kind of rust belt area, like it was like, I mean, that's kind of your stomp of grounds and stuff like that. And so it, it was cool to see that. But yeah, that dusty armadillos, that's a special, that's our first time we ever played there, dude. I love that spot. And it's just like you pack, you sell it out and it's like the ceilings are six feet tall. Exactly. And it's just like this small stage and just the energy. I, I love packing people in like a sardine. There's something special about those club shows. I mean, we've, we've, unless we've opened for someone, we've never played amphitheaters or, you know, stadiums like Luke's playing, but it's, but it's, it's cool.
Speaker 3 01:01:53 I miss club days. Yeah. Don't take it for granted. There's some sort of energy about a club that like you can't capture anywhere else. Like
Speaker 2 01:02:00 Yeah. Like we played with,
Speaker 3 01:02:01 I mean obviously everybody wants to play bigger rooms, right? Still.
Speaker 2 01:02:03 Yeah. Like we played with Justin Moore the, the night before at a, at a fair and he's like, where you at next, you know, tomorrow? And you know, we're like those two arens, like that place is so sick. Like
Speaker 3 01:02:12 Yeah. He was like, dude, I'll play that shit tomorrow. Like, I love that played it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:02:16 Every single one of those guys who've like graduated to the next thing, they're they say that too. They're like, don't take those club shows for granted, dude, they're, they're special. Well,
Speaker 4 01:02:23 It, me as a fan, I chase those club shows. Yeah. Right. So like when I get an artist that I'm like new
Speaker 3 01:02:28 Artists. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:02:28 This is one of my artists that I love and I can get a freaking $15 ticket at a club show. Oh, I'll go get, get hotels for the weekend.
Speaker 3 01:02:35 What's funny, when people bitch about $15 tickets, I'm like, really? <laugh> like $15. Yeah. Holy shit, bro.
Speaker 1 01:02:40 It's like a Big Mac meal these days.
Speaker 3 01:02:42 Yeah. It's like 15, like,
Speaker 2 01:02:44 Come on. Because then when you graduate that $15 club date, everyone's like, oh, they sold out. Like, it's like this
Speaker 3 01:02:49 Weird thing. It's like they're $25 now theater,
Speaker 2 01:02:53 They sold out. So it's
Speaker 4 01:02:55 Funny though because like again, like for that, it's harder for me to text someone and ask for tickets than it is to just buy the ticket. <laugh>. I've been at shows and they're like, why didn't you tell me you were coming and like, ask for tickets? I'm like, I'm never gonna ask you for a 10 or $15 ticket
Speaker 3 01:03:10 Ever.
Speaker 4 01:03:10 Like, I will never text you and ask you for that. If you're playing a festival
Speaker 3 01:03:13 Like one
Speaker 4 01:03:15 <laugh>, you're playing a festival and you can get your boy in I'll gonna holler
Speaker 3 01:03:17 At you. Lemme get a media pass, like, what's up? Yeah,
Speaker 2 01:03:19 Yeah. Let us get to the a hundred dollars ticket thing and then we'll, we'll have one for you. Yeah. There we you go ahead and make that request or
Speaker 4 01:03:26 I'll be in the pit for that. For sure.
Speaker 2 01:03:28 No, no doubt dude. But, uh,
Speaker 4 01:03:29 I can't wait to hear you boys shred with freaking Kurt on dime for a living too.
Speaker 2 01:03:34 It's gonna be fun. Let's get
Speaker 3 01:03:34 Hopefully he practiced. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:03:36 Big time. <laugh>
Speaker 4 01:03:37 Prince's very good at the musics and you guys are too. So I'm
Speaker 2 01:03:40 Excited. Just wanted Kurt. I remember, remember when you came in and, uh, you ca I remember we did a music video for moving on and we did it at live. Oh, it wasn't even Live Oak at the time. What was it called before
Speaker 1 01:03:52 Then? Frisky Frog. Frog
Speaker 2 01:03:53 Frisky Frog. We came there and Kurt's like I heard there was a music video, so I I'm coming to show love. So that, that went a long way, dude. Oh, cool. I mean, three years later. That was cool that, you know, when especially we were talking about this, it's like we kind of consume music differently than everybody else. Yeah. Because, and especially when you're a player, like, you're kind of just like, I'm, I'm off. Like I'm not gonna go to a show or, you know, whatever like that. And then it's like when people come out and, and do that, it's like, it means a lot. So we appreciate you coming out to that. Absolutely, man. As little and minute as that was. So Kurt's
Speaker 3 01:04:25 A good guy, man. Like, hey, appreciate how you spin it. He's, he's a very, very kind man.
Speaker 2 01:04:30 Hey, I got one random question that, that I wanted to ask you, Kurt. All right. Whose podcast is this, bro?
Speaker 1 01:04:36 I know, right?
Speaker 2 01:04:37 Are you love this? Are are you still on the, uh, the vegetarian train?
Speaker 1 01:04:40 Yeah, I've been vegan for like vegan. Okay.
Speaker 3 01:04:42 Not vegan,
Speaker 2 01:04:43 Vegetarian. So vegan for a while. Yeah. Vegan. Vegan. So what I was, I wanted to ask like, I mean this is obviously off of the subject of what we were talking about, but like what have you seen from that? Like why, why did you make that decision and then like where, like what do, what benefits do you find from it?
Speaker 1 01:05:00 Oh, yeah. Um, well it was almost like this weird, like coincidence cuz I had gone to the doctor and I was like, maybe I was 30 years old or 29 and he was like, you have extremely high blood pressure.
Speaker 2 01:05:12 Okay.
Speaker 1 01:05:13 And so that's probably from, uh, well my dad has high blood pressure. My mom has high blood pressure eating pizza after show food and drinking whiskey, you know, and Yeah. All this and that nice
Speaker 3 01:05:23 Little combo.
Speaker 1 01:05:24 Yeah, of course. And he's like, you know, they call the silent killer. So, you know, like the killer part means you'll die. So like you, he's like, I'm 30 years old and I had to take blood pressure medication. I'm like, well, I don't wanna take medicine when I'm 30 years old. Like, right, right. Um, I'm like, I I guess I will. And then I'll just figure out some way
Speaker 3 01:05:44 To get off.
Speaker 1 01:05:45 Yeah. And then like a week later, uh, actually is my ex-girlfriend called me and she goes, Hey, watch this like, documentary about going vegan. Will you do it with me? Um, you know, I I want to try it. And I was like, if you wanna do it, I'll try it. Sure. And then I did it and we watched the video and it's like, lowers your blood pressure. And I was like,
Speaker 3 01:06:05 Oh, cool. I need that <laugh>, I need that.
Speaker 1 01:06:08 And like, I'm lucky because I'm, I have the, like, the least, it's funny to say, as a vegan, I'm not a picky eater, but like, I just like all food. I think it all tasted great. Like, as a kid growing up, I always ate a lot of vegetables and I also ate a lot of meat. And I did a thing where like, I did like the low carb thing when I was in high school where I was just eating salads and like cheese and like shaved beef or whatever, like Philly cheese steaks, like on a salad or whatever. So I started doing the vegan thing. I just lost a lot of weight and I helped my blood pressure.
Speaker 2 01:06:36 Like when, so that happened in high school when you made that decision?
Speaker 1 01:06:38 No, this was like, oh, okay. You said, oh, sorry to clarify. Like I was, I think I went, I started going vegan, like maybe like right when I started with Luke. Yeah. And I thought like, I'm like, these guys are just gonna tear me a new one, you know? Well
Speaker 2 01:06:52 I remember, I remember like Tyler and stuff, like showing like, it'd be like they all have their PO show food and it's like here's, you know, Kurt Rabbit food.
Speaker 3 01:06:59 Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:07:00 And I'm like, these guys are gonna make fun of me so bad. And they're like, oh yeah. Oh you have high blood herser good for you. And I was like, what? Yeah. And they're like, two weeks later they're like, loser, like <laugh> after like, so yeah, you got comfortable. So it's probably been like four years I would say.
Speaker 3 01:07:14 I got a question too. Yeah. Do you have a photo that I can see of you without a beard?
Speaker 1 01:07:19 Yeah, I have plenty. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 01:07:20 Okay, good. I'd never seen that before.
Speaker 1 01:07:23 Uh,
Speaker 3 01:07:23 Is there one on the wall?
Speaker 1 01:07:24 No,
Speaker 3 01:07:25 He's about to say if, if you're up up there I wouldn't recognize him.
Speaker 1 01:07:27 I, I got one somewhere. I'll show you after, after we done chatting. Okay,
Speaker 3 01:07:30 Well let's read then, right? I,
Speaker 2 01:07:32 I think I wouldn't even recognize you if you
Speaker 3 01:07:33 Didn't have one. No way. No way.
Speaker 1 01:07:35 I think I might have one with like a really short beard.
Speaker 3 01:07:38 I'm talking about like skin. Like baby.
Speaker 1 01:07:40 Yeah baby. I have one. I'll show you guys for sure. Okay. I'll show you guys my marching band photo.
Speaker 4 01:07:45 Nine years old.
Speaker 1 01:07:46 Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:07:47 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 01:07:47 Alright, let's play.
Speaker 4 01:07:49 Let's go. All right, cool. Uh, wait, that was the Razor Rowdy podcast and this is Muscatine Bloodline. Yay.
Speaker 1 01:07:55 Go follow them at Muscadine Bloodline. Muscatine
Speaker 4 01:07:57 Bloodline.
Speaker 1 01:07:57 Yeah. You already
Speaker 4 01:07:58 Bline Mus Bline. If you follow Razor Rowdy, you probably follow Musco on Bloodline or you're not that smart,
Speaker 3 01:08:03 You'll find it. Yeah, it's just, just Google Musket Onb on. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4 01:08:06 We're out there and see a freaking show
Speaker 3 01:08:08 We're out there. Come on. Yeah. You're still
Speaker 4 01:08:10 Playing club shows. Go to the club show.
Speaker 3 01:08:13 Our Dime for Living Tour is on sale right now. Come on. Yeah. Must get on bloodline.com baby.
Speaker 2 01:08:17 We'll be out there on the road till end of mid-December
Speaker 4 01:08:20 And you guys just had Covid so you can't get it again for Yeah,
Speaker 3 01:08:23 We're we're gonna be crowd surfing. Yeah, dude. <laugh>. Let's
Speaker 4 01:08:25 Do it. Well thank you guys so much for jumping on man. Welcome. Know, we've been talking about this for a while and I've been a fan for a very long time. I told
Speaker 3 01:08:33 You text our people, that's the only way to get it done. Know Text Adam bro. Text Adam.
Speaker 4 01:08:37 Well we, we got it with Adam. Yes. Yes. And we got Kurt when he wasn't on the road and Charlie when he wasn't working. Yeah. And me, I work all the time kind of, I don't know. Yeah, maybe none. I don't know. Yeah. And uh, I'm still glad I got together boys. Yeah, no
Speaker 2 01:08:48 Dude. Appreciate you having us dude. We're raised reality champions, dude.
Speaker 4 01:08:51 Well, we're Musk. Get on Bloodline Champions.
Speaker 3 01:08:53 Thanks man.
Speaker 4 01:08:54 Absolutely. Well guys, this is Nikki T Hey, I'm Kurt Ozan and we'll see you. See you in the front row.
Speaker 5 01:09:02 Well
Speaker 6 01:09:03 My baby, she's a fussing and cussing. Nm, packing the truck ain't working for daddy. And Mama thinks need to grow
Speaker 5 01:09:12 Up.
Speaker 6 01:09:14 Yeah. Singing these songs is like slanging a drug. Contraband, contraband. Can't get enough of this.
Speaker 7 01:09:47 And
Speaker 6 01:11:10 Hey.
Speaker 3 01:11:12 Hell yeah boys. Nice, nice, nice, nice all around.
