Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:02 Smoke all the good old days. You just, right. It's called
Speaker 1 00:00:30 Welcome to the Raise Rowdy podcast Guys. We haven't, uh oh yeah, we haven't announced that yet, but, oh yeah. I didn't know when it was starting. No, we, I'm sure this has already started, cuz Charlie just like, makes it super fun and just rolls into it. Well, perfect. And, uh, we have That is a big dog. That is a big dog.
Speaker 2 00:00:45 Mojo's made his appearance. Go lay down buddy. Come on, get outta
Speaker 1 00:00:47 Here. Uh, you have me, Nikki T
Speaker 2 00:00:50 I'm Kurt Ozon. So, and, uh, welcome to our podcast brother. Thanks for coming over. I'm
Speaker 1 00:00:54 Col Colby Cooper. Thank y'all for, for having me. The PR of Texas. PR of Texas. Let's go. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:01:00 Are you, um, are you living in town or are you still in Texas or?
Speaker 1 00:01:03 I, uh, I hope to God that I live in Tyler, Texas for the rest of my life. Heck yeah. Okay, cool. Love. I'll fly in. So, I, I'm from, uh, it's a little bit of town called Bradford. Uh, about 45 minutes from Tyler. Uh, and I moved to Tyler in February just cuz I'm flying here once a month for a week. And it's just easy to fly from Tyler to Dallas to here.
Speaker 2 00:01:22 You know, when you live in a small town, when the town you're from is closer to some other town that's so small that I only sort of know about. That's like, you gotta fly to Dallas, so.
Speaker 1 00:01:31 Yeah. Oh, it's the worst dude. Like, especially in Texas, I'm like, okay, you know Bradford? No. You know Palestine? No. You know Athens? No. Okay. What about Tyler? Maybe. Okay, well, how about like two and a half hours from Dallas? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:01:43 Yeah. That's me all the way for sure. Where are you from? I'm from Fort Lauderdale, so. Okay. Like, everyone's like, where are you from? I'm like, Fort Lauderdale. They're like, yeah, I know where that is. Yeah. Perfect. But whenever I hang out with people from Texas or like artists that are in Texas, they're like, oh yeah, we're in this town. I'm like, Marfa? I'm like, I don't know where that is. Or
Speaker 1 00:01:59 <laugh> man. I, I get it. There's, I mean, there's a bunch of towns in Texas. I don't know. Um, you know, I also don't pay attention. Yeah. Way too big. Yeah. It's a, it's a big old state. Um, I have not gotten the chance to be in Texas yet, but I'm looking to fix that this year. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2 00:02:15 You've never been to Texas? Never
Speaker 1 00:02:16 Been to Texas. Oh
Speaker 2 00:02:18 Man. You're missing out.
Speaker 1 00:02:19 I know. I'm a huge fan of the Red Dirt scene and have been for a long time. I've helped promote some red dirt shows up in Pittsburgh, cuz that's where I was before here. That's dope. And, uh, I'm just a, a big fan of the music that comes from there for, you know, since ragweed on. Yeah. I grew up on that shit, like, yeah. Is it cool to, to cuss on you? Yeah. Okay. You're good. Good. I've got a horrible mouth. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I grew up on all that shit. Like, we
Speaker 2 00:02:42 Could tell from your songwriting <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:02:44 Yeah. I don't, I don't, yeah, exactly. Most people when I, when we get in the room and we write together, they're like, dude, it's so cool. I can say fuck. And I'm like,
Speaker 2 00:02:51 Yeah. I mean, and you'll cut a song with it too. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:02:53 Exactly. I mean, I, you know, whatever. Yeah, exactly. It's a breath of fresh air. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> sometimes you
Speaker 2 00:02:59 Get to be yourself.
Speaker 1 00:03:01 Yeah. Man, it's all about being real and being honest, you know? And I think that's absolutely, that's part of it. Yeah, absolutely. That's, I I don't try to hide it. Like I, you know, I'm, I'm a kid, I have a bad mouth, but like, I don't, you know, I don't just go say fuck in front of my daughters Right. Or anything. Like, I, I know how to watch it, but yeah. If I'm being myself, it's just being me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:03:19 Yeah. You definitely seem, um, seem to have an air, at least from the five seconds I've known you in person, <laugh> and just from, you know, seeing whatever in your music and everything to be a little wise beyond your ears.
Speaker 1 00:03:31 Uh, I, I try. It's come from, I mean, a lot of, I guess hard work and trying to fine tune everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:03:38 Yeah. It seems like you've done a, a lot of living already, even though, what are you, 22.
Speaker 1 00:03:42 22? Yeah. I've, I've done a lot, man. Uh, I've been fortunate. Dude. This number calls me all the time asking about my mom, <laugh>, I don't know. That's weird. Yeah. Real weird. Sorry, I didn't mean to get off topic. Uh, yeah, no, I've, I've lived a lot. I've, I guess had a lot of shit happen to me and been through a lot and thankful for it all cuz I'm here now.
Speaker 2 00:04:00 Yeah. Get, get some good, uh, material for songs, right?
Speaker 1 00:04:02 Oh, uh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, most of the, the heartbreak stuff is all about my friends and their shitty relationships, but, uh, yeah. You know, all the more personal stuff.
Speaker 2 00:04:12 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:04:12 Well, I think that's part of it too, man. Like, uh, if you're drawing from experiences and, you know, you only have so many yourself. Right. Especially if when you were in your little town mm-hmm. <affirmative> Yeah. Your experiences are your friends' experiences. Yeah. You know, it's the people around you, it's your family, it's your friends, it's the, you know, at that point you probably didn't even have a ton of co-writers, it's just you trying to figure it out. Right. Uh, I've <laugh> do, do you know, uh, Dylan Wheeler? Yeah. Well, that's one of my best friends and he was one of the only people I, uh, I co-wrote with and my, my tour manager, uh, we've been best friends since fourth grade, so we grew up and kind of learned to play guitar and all that stuff at the same time and started writing together. But, uh, it was really just like I wrote, I would write with Dylan every once in a while.
Speaker 1 00:04:50 Most of the, uh, other stuff was just me by myself or whatever. So like coming here two and a half years ago, like, it, it, I mean, I'm completely opposite now. Like, I hate riding by myself, uh, most of the time because it's just, just riding with other people, just getting to like feed off of each other's energy. And I mean, you know how it is just, just like doing a podcast by yourself Yeah. Would, would be much more difficult than Absolutely. You know? Yeah. You're just talking to the air. I actually struggle with that when I first started the radio show. I'm just like, I'm talking to the air for a minute. Yeah. And just for a minute. It's tough, you know? Dude, I, I respect the hell of that because like, like watching some of the podcasts that are just like one person just sitting there looking at a camera. I'm like, how do you keep it rolling? Like, I would have to have this entire table filled out with like, what I'm supposed to say. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:36 I'm definitely not interesting enough for that. And I would have to like compose like an essay or something to
Speaker 1 00:05:40 Do that. Exactly. Or I'd have to like, uh, just have some heavy editing after to make it sound way cooler. You know,
Speaker 2 00:05:47 I do like the, like true crime podcasts and stuff like that. Yeah. Like, that stuff's super interesting. That
Speaker 1 00:05:52 That's real cool. That's a little different though. Like if I feel like if if I was able Yeah. Read to read something and kind of tell a story, that'd be easier. If it's just me trying to bullshit with myself. <laugh> Yeah. Probably wouldn't be
Speaker 2 00:06:02 Very good. Well, luckily you could bullshit with us here. Oh. Um,
Speaker 1 00:06:05 Yeah. It's way cooler now that I have Kurt co-hosting the podcast with me because I'm like, say the same six things over and over. And he has a completely different batch of
Speaker 2 00:06:14 Things that he, my my six things are different than this, so we
Speaker 1 00:06:16 Got 12 things that makes Yeah. That'll be a great podcast. If you bring six, then we have 18 and it's great. I've got at least five. Yeah. <laugh>. So almost there. Well man, I've been a big fan of yours for a long time. Um, I remember the, you know, f from your first single on hearing that and just like hearing how young you were and I was like, there's no freaking way. Right. Like, uh, one of my writers, Stacy, is a big fan and uh, I remember like when we started the radio show, I'd always be like, yo, what do you wanna hear on the radio this week? And she'd always be like, play Colby Cooper. Hey, that's, that's what I'm talking about. I really appreciate it. Shout. Well that one spin in Pittsburgh. You know, if you ever see this random one spin, I'm, yeah. Give me my 0.003. Yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:06:57 I always think, I always think back to like when I was 22 and I was just outta college and I was working at a sushi restaurant delivering food on my bicycle, and I would like watch like basketball games. Cause I used to be like, be really into basketball. Yeah. I'm like, there's like these 20 kids my age, 22 years that are playing in the nba and all these people are doing all this crazy stuff. I'm like, man, I should like really like, get my shit together. <laugh> dude. And then seeing you at 22, I'm like, ugh. I definitely didn't have it together. 22
Speaker 1 00:07:22 <laugh>. But, uh, it's, it's funny, I, I started feeling old cause I, I play video games all the time, so I started feeling old, like whenever I'd make my own player and I couldn't be the youngest age anymore. Yeah. I couldn't be 18 or 19. I had to be 21. I'm like, fuck dude, just wait. <laugh>, I'm not ready for it, dude. I mean, I've, I've, I've got, you know, I've been married for three years and have, have a three year old and a, uh, that's insane. And almost That's great. A one year old. Oh, it's awesome dude. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But it's, it's made me feel like I'm 40 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:07:49 Yeah. I love it. I love, I love being older, man. It's cool. It's like I have a job and I could buy things Yeah. If I want. Yeah. I didn't have that when I was 22. <laugh> pretty. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:07:59 It's a pretty, pretty great, uh, description of getting older. Yeah. Yeah. I can buy things finally. Yes. I don't have to like, wait six weeks to buy something that I would like to purchase, you know? Yeah. I still might have to, but Yeah. I mean, I, if, if, if I didn't have my manager and my business manager tell me, Hey, maybe just, you know, wait, you're 22 <laugh>. Yeah. You can buy, you can buy it in two years. Okay. I would, I would have no money. Yeah. So thank God for them. Hey,
Speaker 2 00:08:24 We appreciate those people too.
Speaker 1 00:08:26 Yeah. Yeah. A million percent. Well, it takes a, it takes a tribe to make things work, man. You know? And that's absolutely in the world. It's your family and your friends, you know what I mean? And in the music world, it's your team. Yeah. I I, I agree. That's the been the biggest component I feel like, to any success we've had is just how hard our team's worked. Uh, yeah. And it's all been kind of, uh, kind of like just going with my gut. Like, and, and when we first I guess got management, I was, shit, I was, I was 18 maybe I, I'd been 18 for like four or five months we got in the studio maybe, or I was about to turn 19. But we just put out our first project. Um, and we just kind of, you know, met with him one time was like, hell yeah, this is the dude.
Speaker 1 00:09:05 And I mean, not knowing any better, it worked out. And it was the same thing with our, uh, publishing, uh, Falcon in there. Uh, he actually dmd me on Instagram. It was like, Hey man, I love your shit. Let's, uh, set up some rights. And I sent it to my managers, like, Hey, I don't know who the fuck this guy is, uh, and he wants me to come. Right. Stranger danger. Yeah, exactly. And it was just, you know, it it, it going with your gut. It's all, all it was. And, and building the team of people that really, uh, want to succeed as much as you do. Yeah. You know, and I feel like that's what I've done, thankfully. Yeah. Man. I think that's what it's about. And then you find, you know, people that you write good with. I mean Yeah. Write well with, I guess is better <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:09:45 But, uh, and then I know you're, uh, writing a lot with Jordan Walker here in town who, uh, who we're, you know, big fans of. I always tell people Jordan Walker is playing in the listening room. You go to that show because it's like a freaking comedy show. Yeah, right. With some music thrown in. For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. I, uh, our song one night, Stan love it. He wrote it, uh, he was one of the riders on it. And, uh, oh, this was probably like December of 2019 and it was, um, you know, coming from Texas, we hadn't had the big fucking snow storm we had last year. So it hadn't snowed really in forever. And I flew in and it was like snow over on the ground, like, damn dude. So I had to stay in the house. I was, I was here for two weeks alone in Nashville.
Speaker 1 00:10:23 Yeah. And I don't do being alone, but like, I hate, I hate just being alone with myself. Uh, and after the end of the first week, I, you know, wrote five times and I was like, fuck dude, man, I'm tired now. Like this sucks. And uh, I think that last day I was writing with Jordan and Jacob Davis, uh, Jordan Walker and Jacob Davis, not Jordan Davis, Jake, yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, sorry. Uh, and Jordan's like, what are you doing or not? I was like, man, I'm just gonna go play Call of Duty, I guess at the Airbnb. He is like, well, shit dude, we're playing the listen room. Come come and uh, come watch. I was like, perfect an excuse to get out. And he had to get me in cuz I was 19. And, uh, they wouldn't let me in, but I finally got in and Yeah. The show.
Speaker 1 00:11:00 Exactly. It was just a comedy show pretty much. And then, uh, I think he, you know, you know what song he ended with, but the song before, uh, was One Night Stand. He's like, no one's ever gonna cut this fucking song. And then he played it and I was like, dude, that song's great. And after I got, he got off stage, he was like, Hey man, is anyone gonna cut that song or what? He was like, dude, you wanna cut? It was, I would love to. Perfect man. What you paint a publisher for? Just <laugh>. Yeah. Just, just kidding, just kidding. Well, dude, and that's funny too because I've seen Jordan play the Listening Room and he was like, he told that same story you told and then he also was like, yeah, but you'll never hear this one on the radio. And I'm like, I played it on the radio.
Speaker 1 00:11:38 Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Tell him to shut up. Yeah. You didn't know what he he's talking about. Yeah. It's like, it's one of those things where it's like there's value in that stuff, man. In a song. Like, that's hilarious. Right. Oh dude. Like, when, when I first heard it, I was like, oh my God, how has nobody cuts this song yet? Yeah. He's like, is everybody's too scared to like, well, I just said fuck. Like Yeah, <laugh>, we, we literally released a song on the same EP called it, it was supposed to be called Fuck You. But for, uh, playlisting purposes it was changed. Two words. Two words. Two words. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I love that song too. I really pushed for Fuck you though. Yeah. <laugh>. But you're like, I get it. It's a lot to say like, yeah, have you heard my song? Fuck You <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:12:14 So two, two words definitely like, eases it a little bit. Yeah, yeah. You know, I love that too, man. And again, I think that's like unabashedly you, right? Yeah. I think that's part of what's working in country music right now is the people that are leaning in extra heavy on who they are. Right? Yeah. Uh, whether you like it or not, I think, uh, what I was telling somebody that day, like, um, there's a lot of artists when I was growing up that would listen to that. I feel like if I met them I wouldn't really know who they are. And, and my goal is for you to meet me and already feel like, oh fuck, I know that guy. Like I've, I've known 'em for a couple. You know what I mean? Like, I want people to know who I am through my music, through our social medias, cuz it's, you know, I don't want you to have this fake image of what I really am. Like just, if you don't like me for who I really am, then you can just, I guess not like me. Yeah. But it feels a lot better being real and not liked than being fake and not liked. Right. I would assume <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:13:02 Yeah. Yeah. You sleep a lot better at night. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:13:04 Yes. Exactly. Yeah, dude. And I, I think that's, uh, something that in life you push for, right? Yeah. Like, like when someone meets me, I want them to think Yep. That's the person who I thought they were. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like, you don't want, I, I just feel like I, I'd met some people, like I would meet 'em when I was a kid and be like, well that was cool, but not that cool <laugh>. Like Yeah. Like, that guy was not the guy I thought he was. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's sometimes like hurts your psyche. You're like, oh, I thought this different thing about who this person was. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:13:40 Also like when artists don't take themselves like too seriously. Yeah. And like, can cut a, a fun song. Yeah. You know, not everything has to be like
Speaker 1 00:13:47 E Exactly. Like, I feel like, I mean, I've cut, like, I mean, we have this song called Curse October that I wrote about my dad passing away. Like, I've cut like the most serious song I've ever wrote, like, the most meaningful song ever. And then like six months later, or at least two words. So it's like, and, and on that same record we put up diamond rings and cocaine. So like, it's like, I don't know. And I love that shit. Like, I love any artist catalog that I've listened to that has like, has the stuff you can get serious and cry to. Mm-hmm. And it has this shit. You can just laugh and Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:14:14 Because if you're listening to all their songs in one long playlist, you don't get burned out on like really serious all the time. Yeah. There's like, they have some songs that are, that can tug at your heartstrings. It's some that you can laugh or some that you can drink a beer too.
Speaker 1 00:14:25 Exactly. Exactly. And that's, that, that was my art. I guess it should be most people's. But like my goal is just for none of my songs to, I always, you have songs that are the same topic, but like, I don't want you to get like, ah, yeah, I've heard that one before mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and it's something that's hard to do, but I feel like I've, I've done a decent job of, of doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Absolutely, man. And so the most recent project that you dropped is your, your recent EP titled Boy from Anderson County. Yes, sir. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:14:53 Where'd you come up with the name of that ep? <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:14:55 Uh, so it was a really long thought process. Uh, no, I'm just, boy from Anderson County, I guess. Yeah. Uh, <laugh>. Yeah. The, uh, I, I knew that, I mean each, I guess, I don't know what it is yet. I, I, we don't have really a release plan for the rest of it, but the whole idea was if it's gonna be end up being like a big full project, like I want it to be, you know, we have our eps at our volume one, volume two that are more like, I don't know, whatever. But like this one means a lot to me. Uh, and the songs we have for it mean a lot to me. Uh, the mean, the title track is one of my favorite songs I've ever wrote. Uh, great song, you know, cause it, it's all true. It's all, uh, you know, it's about my wife and every line in the song is a true line.
Speaker 1 00:15:35 When I, I wrote it with just me and Jordan, um, he said something fucking stupid when I got in the room. He was like, man, I have this title boy from Bradford County. And I was like, what are you talking about? He was like, aren't you from Bradford County? I was like, I'm from Bradford, like Texas, the town, but it's like 40 people. What do you, I'm from Anderson County. And he was like, oh, that's pretty dope. I was like, what's fucking rap boy from Anderson County? He was like, what is it about? I was like, about me, I guess, like, about where I am in life. And that's kind of what I wanted to, wanted to, uh, uh, to do with the song was kind of giving an update. Like, you know, our last full length was called Good Ones Never Last. And it was kind of a sad thing, you know, kind of about, I guess going through my dad passed away and stuff and I was like, I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 1 00:16:14 Like, I'm happy, I'm really happy now. And I got a badass family and, you know, awesome beautiful little girls. And I, I kind of wanna show people that. And that was the, uh, the whole idea behind the title track and I guess other songs that aren't really, or at least yet. But, uh, yeah man, it's, it, I think that's a great thing too. And I think some of the artists, when you look back and you listen through their music, you can kind of get that stamp in time of where they were or where Yeah. You know, where their head was. I mean, a million percent. Like, and that, that's kind of what we've been going through. Like when I'm, the stuff I'm writing, it's like, damn dude. Like it's just, it's, you know, you're, I'm in a different place now. You can tell just by the songs.
Speaker 1 00:16:50 And what's funny is like when they come out, I'm gonna be in a different place anyway. Cause it's probably gonna be a year from now when, when the shit I'm writing now comes out or more, you know? Yeah. Uh, and it's so cool to, uh, even for me to listen back, uh, to some of our old stuff. Like ever like I, I hadn't listened to our first EP in forever and then the other day I was like, fuck, I don't wanna listen to it. I listened to it, listen to it all the way through. Uh, and I was like, man, that's cool. Like, I, I remember writing all these songs. I remember like, I mean, a few of 'em, I was one of 'em, I was 15 when it was written. Every single kiss. I was 15 when it was written, uh, fall. I was, well that was on Good ones Never Last, but, uh, I was 17 or 16, like, and going back in those moments and seeing like where I was and it's just really cool, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:17:28 And you can hear the growth too, which is really fun to
Speaker 1 00:17:30 Do. Oh yeah. You sure can. Man. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:17:32 I was listening to to Fall Today and I like, it's a really fun song. It's great. Yeah. But I could tell like comparing it to some of the newer stuff, I could just hear like a lot of difference. And just like the, the writing and, and even the recording and stuff. Because this EP that you just put out, is this your first major label release?
Speaker 1 00:17:50 Yeah, it's the first major label release, but it's, it's, there's no real different formula. I mean, it's, uh, oh, not really. We're, uh, I mean it's the same producer I've used since the beginning, but it's also like when you listen to music, music, he gets to, I guess, kind of hear us grow together too. Cuz I feel like this last project and is, is really the one where we really, really like All right. Got locked in, like, figured out each other completely. And I think you can hear it. Uh, which is awesome. You, I mean, you always wanna hear growth in a, in a new record. You don't ever wanna be like, man, that's the exact same fucking record he just put out, you know? Yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, songwriting, everything I've gotten, I mean, a million times better than I was when I wrote Fall.
Speaker 1 00:18:29 But it's funny. Like I, I don't know, like it's one of our biggest songs. Everybody loves it, but listening to it and thinking about, I'm like, damn dude. Like I was 16 writing this shit. Like Yeah. <laugh> the Melodies there, dude. Yeah. Like, that's the crazy thing is like, you see that talent even back then, right? Yeah. Know what I mean? Mean it was just, all the stuff I was inspired by was good shit. And, uh, I guess luckily it rubbed off on me. <laugh>. Yeah, absolutely. So you co-wrote all six of these tracks. I know you're not afraid, as we talked about, to cut an outside track, but Yeah. Well, what's that mean for you? Like, like you said, you're, you've been growing as a writer and it, I think that's a dope thing to have on this project. I think that, um, that now it's just harder for me to find outside songs to cut because of, uh, how much I've grown as a writer.
Speaker 1 00:19:15 Like, uh, there's not many outside songs that I hear that I'm like, damn dude, I need to cut that now. Like, there, there's a lot that are great mm-hmm. <affirmative> and there's a lot that are, that are out that are great, but like, everything I'm writing, I'm like, dude, this is what I wanna put out. This is what I want it to be. And like, I mean, I, I don't know, the last time I guess one that stand was probably the last one that I, I heard that I was like, fuck dude. Like, that's something that I, I could, I could write that's right down my alley. Like, I, I would say that, uh, and that's what I always look for when I'm, I guess cutting outside stuff. But to be able to, you know, I guess have the first project I've put out that I've wrote or co-wrote every song is, it's really cool. Um, and it's kind of, I mean, as of right now, how everything else is gonna look. Yeah. Unless, you know, like I said, I'm open to like, I love cutting outside shit. I love hearing outside stuff. Uh, but it's just, you know, I guess good for me become harder to find ones that I want to cut. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:20:06 For sure. What, uh, what song that is out, that's obviously another artist song that you wish you wrote
Speaker 1 00:20:12 That I wish I wrote. Damn, that's, it's, it's weird cause like a lot of the, uh, a lot of this shit I listen to, like, I don't listen to much Country mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but, uh, I mean <laugh>, like, it's gonna, it's gonna be a weird answer. Like it's probably something by Modest Mouse or something by like, uh, yeah. By highly Suspect, uh, which is just kind of where I'm at. But if, if we're going like country, uh,
Speaker 2 00:20:36 We don't have to go country, I'm, I'm satisfied with the modest mouth thing.
Speaker 1 00:20:39 Yeah. Okay. Well then, uh, if it's Modest Mouse, um, then I mean fuck Float On or dashboard? Both, so great. Sure. Yeah. I mean there, there's a million, uh, rose in Paradise. Boian Jennings still one of my all time favorite songs. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. I need to start writing down like, cuz every time I hear one of my favorite songs, I'm like, oh, it's one of my fucking all time favorites. But I never, I never remember 'em. There was one, we literally just listening to 'em the way here. I don't remember what it was. Huh. I don't think so. But, uh,
Speaker 2 00:21:09 Pierce,
Speaker 1 00:21:10 I mean, don't tell me with a Good Time. <laugh>. Oh, man. Um, so it's, I know you like, came up in the Texas scene and you've been touring extensively there. I mean, since you were kind of like in high school right? Or right outta high school? Uh, I mean, shit, we were, I was a freshman in high school going to play shows. Yeah. Uh, you know, they weren't great venues, but I was playing it. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, this past, this past year's really the first time that, uh, I mean, we've been outta state, I would say, uh, 70% of the time. Oh, wow. Which has been awesome. But we were supposed to do this last year in 2020. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Do our first Big Outta State run. And, you know, everybody knows what the fuck happened there. Yep. Uh, real fun, uh, not great.
Speaker 1 00:21:50 And then this past, um, uh, I mean, I was gone from that really all of May except for like the first five days, which granted, I was on vacation for one of the weeks with my wife, but it was also with play. It was like this boots on the beats thing that Casey Donahue does. And, uh, we were playing acoustic shows, but it was really a vacation. But I was playing shows. Uh, but I, I was gone, I mean, from like May 10th until July, like 28th really with like three days of being home in between. And it, I mean, it sucked, but it was also, you know, so dope to get to go experience all these new places finally. Because that's my favorite part of, um, of touring, is like, just seeing shit that I never have seen before. Like, uh, going and playing golf in a new city or mm-hmm. <affirmative> getting to go experience a new downtown or something like that. Uh, it's, it's just, I feel like it makes you grow as a person getting to, you know, experience. I guess not really different culture, but you know, kind of different culture as far as, like, I'm from Bradford, Texas, a town of literally, I think if you look it up, it says 43 people. Uh, and me, my wife and our two kids moved out, so it's like 39 now.
Speaker 2 00:22:56 <laugh>. Yeah. We tour with more people than that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:22:58 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:22:59 That's weird to think about. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:23:00 Yeah, exactly. Like that's, that's, that is fucking insane. <laugh>. That's funny as shit, dude. Sorry. Uh, but yeah, um, I don't remember where I was going with that.
Speaker 2 00:23:09 Talking about touring and going to all different states
Speaker 1 00:23:11 And stuff. Yeah. Uh, yeah, getting to go like exp like we went and played golf in, um, damn like South Dakota. And I was like, it's so weird. Like, this looks like East Texas in a different universe. Like, everything's just a little bit different. Like, there's fucking chipmunks and shit. There's not squirrels. Like, um,
Speaker 2 00:23:27 There's no one there.
Speaker 1 00:23:28 Oh, yeah. And there's nobody fucking there. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:23:31 I remember playing, um, in northern South Dakota, like the north and South Dakota line one time, and I asked like the runner, I'm like, Hey, is there like a place to grab, uh, a cup of coffee around here? And the runner's like, son, there's not even a restaurant in this town. There's, if you want coffee, go to the gas station and there's a bar and a subway. That was it.
Speaker 1 00:23:53 That's that's a pretty big town. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:23:55 <laugh>. I was like, holy
Speaker 1 00:23:57 Man. Well, if you, that's
Speaker 2 00:23:58 Insane.
Speaker 1 00:23:58 If you were in Bradford, there's at least a, uh, there's a, there's a cafe. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Um, shout out Bradford Cafe. They've got coffee. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And you would not have been disappointed. Probably
Speaker 2 00:24:09 Get coffee. Yeah. Right on.
Speaker 1 00:24:10 Yeah. Yeah. I don't like coffee, but I would assume it's probably decent. At least pretty good.
Speaker 2 00:24:15 Yeah. Yeah. Something that's my thing when I'm on the road. I was try to hit different coffee places,
Speaker 1 00:24:19 Man, I
Speaker 2 00:24:20 And golf of course.
Speaker 1 00:24:21 But yeah. You know, since I, I don't like coffee. I, I just, I, I mean like every fucking musician, I love getting to see like, the local music stores and stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Because every once in a while, like you'll find one, like one of the hidden gems that has, I mean all the old Gibsons and fenders and shit, most of the small ones, you know, aren't great <affirmative>. Like, there's one, uh, outside of Tyler and Tyler's like a hundred thousand person town, so it's a decent size. But there's a little town outside of Tyler called Hawkins that has, it's, I mean, a couple hundred people and they have the, one of the most badass guitar shops I've ever seen. And a bunch of old hippies that are 80 years old that work in there. And the set up guitars better than anyone of 'em met.
Speaker 2 00:24:56 Awesome. <laugh>. Yeah. I definitely was looking for a deal on a guitar or whatever looking around pawn chops and stuff.
Speaker 1 00:25:04 Absolutely. That, that I found, uh, I had a buddy that found like a 1960s J 45, uh, for 500 bucks. Geez. In, I mean, in credible shape.
Speaker 2 00:25:16 Yeah. It's like,
Speaker 1 00:25:17 I don't find that shit though.
Speaker 2 00:25:18 I
Speaker 1 00:25:18 Don't either. Like, I find the ones that are up marked like $12,000. Right. Not fun. <laugh>. I dunno how much guitar should cost.
Speaker 2 00:25:27 Really. A, a lot. Yeah. <laugh> cost a lot of money,
Speaker 1 00:25:30 Honestly don't know either. I just see the price tags and they're always, I mean, I've got an estimate of how much I would want it to cost, but it's never in the same ballpark. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:25:39 Yeah. Yeah. So what are some, uh, your favorite spots that you've been to?
Speaker 1 00:25:43 Um,
Speaker 2 00:25:43 Were you like, well traveled before you started doing
Speaker 1 00:25:46 This? No, man, I, uh, I was telling my wife the other day, uh, up until I was 19, I'd been on, on an airplane once. I'd left Texas once to, I mean, maybe a couple times, but it was going with my dad in the cow truck. So it wasn't like we really did anything besides go straight down the road and see it go by. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, so yeah. I mean, my experience was pretty much Bradford and Palestine <laugh>. Yeah. I, I, no, I hadn't, which is one reason I, I enjoy it so much. And, uh, I realized I was taking it for granted. Um, the first year we were touring, even in just Texas, like, getting to see new Texas towns. Like I would just chill at the venue and I'm like, fuck that dude. Like, I'm gonna, yeah, let's get out. I'm gonna go see what, what's going on. That's what we do every time now. Uh, and I love off days, dude. Like, I mean, Denver is like my favorite town in the whole world. We always, we, it's beautiful. Anytime we're off there, we take a rental and go up in the mountains. Yep. Like there, there's, I don't remember what mountain it is, but, uh, we, we climbed it last time and you can literally see just the whole town of, of Denver and it's, ah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 00:26:41 Are you, uh, have you done radio tour yet? Is that a thing? Haven't that's happening yet.
Speaker 1 00:26:45 Not yet.
Speaker 2 00:26:46 That's when you'll get to see like every single state, every single radio station. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:26:50 Oh dude, I can't wait twice a day. Yeah. I mean, <laugh>, I can't wait to see the new places. I don't know about the, I hate, I hate flying so much. Like, not cause I'm scared just cause I have to do it so much. Like it's
Speaker 2 00:27:02 Just same. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:27:03 And the assholes that around there that just make the flight weird sometimes, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Yeah. People. Yeah. It's a, it's a strange thing for sure. Um, but it beats driving 12 hours everywhere. Oh God. I know, dude. But it doesn't beat sleeping on a bus riding 12 hours in a bus. No, not much does us, that's a, we, we've taken the bus up here in Nashville a few times and I'm like, fuck dude, we just gotta do this every time. <laugh>. Well, it cost about five times as much as a flight just to get it up there, so You sure you wanna do that? No, not yet. No, not yet. Yeah. I think I'll just fly and stay in a fucking Airbnb. Yeah. Speaking of Nashville, you got two shows here at the basement East coming up? I do. I'm just
Speaker 2 00:27:44 Right down the road from
Speaker 1 00:27:45 Here, right down the road. I got some tickets to those. I'll be, I'll be there. That'll be dope. Yeah. I'm excited for it. I, I love, uh, we were, we played there in February of, I guess of 2020 right before the shutdown. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. We did, we did what was supposed to be the first of like six out-of-state runs. Um, so we at least got one in, but, and it was great. Uh, and then, you know, two weeks later we canceled like 85 shows. Yeah. You know, hunkered down in the house for four months, which made that second kid or something crazy <laugh>. We, yeah. We got pregnant like, like two weeks before, uh, the like covid and all that shit. Like, I swear to God, we'd found out we hadn't told anybody. Yeah. We hadn't told like any, like, people that follow me. So it was like, fuck dude. They're literally gonna think we just made a Covid baby <laugh>. We didn't like we, we, nothing wrong with that. Oh no. Nothing wrong with it. But I didn't wanna be called a Covid baby. Yeah. I mean, if we didn't, you know, we were, we were trying to make a baby, whatever. Um, yeah. We literally got pregnant right before and, you know, perfect timing I guess. Yeah. It get
Speaker 2 00:28:49 To be home during all that, which is kind of a blessing.
Speaker 1 00:28:52 It was. That's that's what I mean, for me it was, it was like a, a huge blessing. Uh, I'll never be able to spend, you know, I mean, I didn't get to spend time with a new baby because she was, you know, not here. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But, uh, my, my first daughter, uh, my wife was in nursing school still, so she, uh, you know, I was home with, with her every day. And it, it was great. And I'll never, ever in my life again get to spend, you know, six months straight at home being a dad. Uh, which was, which was awesome. Paternity leave. Yeah. It's pretty much what it was. Uh, like late. I mean, she was like two years old, so like it's late paternity leave. Yeah. I mean, you know, it was, it was great. Uh, but I definitely got tired of literally just being at the house every day, cuz that's what it was. Uh, especially early on, like the actual lockdown where you couldn't leave the house. Yeah. Dude, I hadn't been, what the fuck was going on
Speaker 2 00:29:45 So much? Call of Duty,
Speaker 1 00:29:46 Dude. Oh my God. I got really good.
Speaker 2 00:29:49 I'm so bad. I can't play it. I can't do it.
Speaker 1 00:29:52 Dude. I got to a point where I was like, fuck dude. Like I'm pretty good. Like maybe I should just quit music and go play Call of Duty <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:30:00 Please don't.
Speaker 1 00:30:01 Please don't. I wasn't that good. <laugh>. Yeah. At this point I haven't played in, uh, I haven't played since May, so I'd be really bad.
Speaker 2 00:30:07 I know Luke plays a lot and he plays like Craig Morgan and whoever else. And now it's like this thing where I'm like, do I need to go buy this video game just for like networking purposes? Oh
Speaker 1 00:30:17 Dude, I'm, I mean, it, it, I mean I've played with, I mean, not a ton of artists, but you will definitely meet a billion new people. Yeah. And then they'll meet you in person and then you don't know the fuck they are. And it's embarrassing. <laugh>. Well, remember we played Call of Duty that one time like two years ago. You're like, nah dog. Sorry, I don't remember you. I don't remember you. Purple panda, <laugh>. Did you, uh, play any sports in school? I did. I played football. Uh, you have the size, obviously. Yeah. I saw you walk in. I'm like, I knew you were big, but I was like, you are a large feller. Yeah. Yeah. I played football and I had the whole dream of wanting to go play in the nfl kind of. Yeah. Um, and then my tour manager now, uh, convinced me to not go play college football.
Speaker 1 00:31:02 Yeah. Uh, or even try to. Cuz I, I got to the point where I was like, all right, I'm gonna start making tapes and shit. Cause my uncle was our ad. He was like, oh, I don't wanna go play college football. And then, uh, we had a show to play one day, the same day as like the most important uh oh. What, like the training thing or the scouting days, whatever. It was like, I had been invited to one by, uh, north Texas or Oh can, they came to the school and invited me and this other dude who was like, made me look small. He was like six eight, huge guy. Uh, and the same day is that training camp, uh, scouting thing. He, uh, we had a show and I was like, Hey, fuck it dude, I can't, I can't, we're not gonna play a show.
Speaker 1 00:31:35 It was like a hundred bucks in Waco, so it was like a two hour drive. We had to spend 150 bucks in a hotel room. Right. So he lost 50 bucks and he was like, he convinced me to come piss me off. I mean, I'm super glad he did now. Yeah. But yeah, kind of just crushed on my dreams right then. And then like as a senior, I just, you know, started dating my wife. So I was like, fuck dude, I don't wanna go to football practice. I wanna go back home and <laugh>, you know, go hang out. Uh, so yeah, that, that chilled out pretty quick. But I did, I love football. I love, I love baseball. I got Yankee.
Speaker 2 00:32:06 I saw that Yankees saw. I'm a Red Sox fan, so we'll have to talk shit later. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:32:10 That's,
Speaker 2 00:32:11 That's he'll get 'em
Speaker 1 00:32:11 Next year. Tough man. Oh dude. I don't wanna fucking talk about it. That was a very, very painful game to watch. I turned it off after the sixth inning.
Speaker 2 00:32:20 Yeah. It was bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:32:22 It was worse than bad. I grew up a Pirates fan, so like, Ooh. That is, it's not great. That is tough, man. Yeah. Yeah. Being from Pittsburgh, that's uh, when's the last time they were good? Seventies? No, they were okay in the nineties for a minute. 90. I was born in 99. I couldn't Right. I don't remember that. It was significantly after you were born. <laugh> <laugh>. This was way more, I'm also a Cowboys fan, so it's kind of, kind of the same thing doing Are
Speaker 2 00:32:44 You also a Bulls fan too? Or like a Bulls fan? Yeah. All the good teams. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:48 No, let, let me, let me tell the story real quick before fucking people think I was to bandwagon. Let's get in there. None of my family watched shit out. None of my family watched sports when I was growing up. Yeah. Uh, my dad didn't. My mom didn't. Grandparents didn't. Nobody did. So me and my brother were the first two that were into sports. Uh, and is he older or you or younger? He's, he's two years younger. So he's, he's 20. Um, it was fourth, fifth grade maybe. Uh, so it would've been like 2008, 2009, 2008. Cause it was before the series. No. So it was third grade 2007. Uh, it was, it was
Speaker 2 00:33:19 Yankee year. Yankee, the Red Sox won the World Series 2007 <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:33:22 It, it was Yankees. I think it was Yankees and Red Sox. But, uh, I mean, they ended up beating the team they were playing and I was like, well, I'm not gonna cheer for the loser. And the pin drops were pretty dope. Yeah. And I was hooked. And I've been a diehard Yankees fan since then. I've never, yeah. I've, I've, I'm not a bandwagon every, you know, every team I love, I love forever.
Speaker 2 00:33:42 Yeah. I love baseball, so I get it. Like, my girlfriend's a Yankees fan, so.
Speaker 1 00:33:45 Oh, how is that dude?
Speaker 2 00:33:46 It's fine. I mean, she's from Jersey, so it makes sense, but Perfect. Yeah. We get along still. So
Speaker 1 00:33:50 I've never Have you been to a game? Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:33:52 I've been, yeah, I went to a game at Old Yankee Stadium. Oh
Speaker 1 00:33:55 Dude, that's dope. I wish I could have went. Um, we were supposed to play New York, um, when we did that February run, but our <laugh>, we uh, our, the van we were in, uh, I won't say who, but somebody in our crew, uh, put gas in. It is a diesel.
Speaker 2 00:34:10 Is that a diesel?
Speaker 1 00:34:11 No, but it was, it a, was it a bp I think. And their gas handles are green wherever we were. Yeah. Oh, that makes, makes sense. Being good old boy from Texas, he just pulled out the green diesel, put it in. Ugh. Uh, we get about two feet away from the pump and it goes and we're like, uh, no, what was that? And he was like, I don't know dude. And we were like, did you put the wrong thing in? He was like, no I didn't. And then, uh, come to find out, we walked back to that gas station cuz we, you know, we took it somewhere and there were like, it was gonna be $12,000 to fix it. And we're like, no way. We took it to Ford. Don't ever take your vehicle to wherever you got it from. Because they said $12,000 and we took it to, uh, this was in Roanoke, Virginia too.
Speaker 1 00:34:53 Uh, not the, the scary one, but scary name. Right. Uh, we took it to some random little shop that charges 250 bucks and some t-shirts <laugh>. And they got us back on the road the next day. That's awesome. And we were about that close to just saying fuck it and letting it go to Ford. But they couldn't get us in. That's what it was. They couldn't get us in. So if they would've got us in, they would've got the money. Unfortunately. That's rough. Oh, it was real bad. We uh, we actually have a sports sponsor for the podcast. Our first real sponsor.
Speaker 2 00:35:21 It was a nice segue. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:35:22 Perfect. Tennessee's only Tennessee owned sports book action 24 7 sports. There you go. So I don't know, like you're up here enough if you like gambling, dude, you know, if you're a gambler, I love gambling. It's bad for you though. Um, yeah. Yeah. I've been pretty good about staying away from it just cuz I like to <laugh> Yeah. So much when I do. Uh, and I have, have no, uh, care for the money that's going away until after when I realize I can't get it back. <laugh>. Yes. You know? Yeah. I like to keep my bets for gambling somewhere between two and $10, just so it's like enough where I'm like, okay, I could have drank that in a beer or two, but also enough to like, make the game fun for me to watch. Yeah. Yeah. Um, not me. That's why I don't like betting <laugh> sense.
Speaker 1 00:36:07 Well, that makes sense. I don't like betting. Like I, cuz if I win, if I win money, it's just not rewarding enough for it to be 20 bucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're rich. I get it. I'm not rich. I'm definitely not rich. Definitely not rich, but no, I'm just messing. I just feels like a waste of time. Like Yeah. Yeah. Fucking $10 <laugh>. Like, I, I wanna feel like I wanna feel it if I lose it or win it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I wanna be fucking mad at myself or really excited. Yeah. Like I, I, uh, uh, you know, um, co mm-hmm. <affirmative>, well we had a bet on the, the Cowboys, uh, Buccaneers game. I'm a Cowboys fan, but he proposed a bet. Uh, it was just, it was a thousand bucks for the game. And of course it's the one game that the Cowboys play, uh, pretty well.
Speaker 1 00:36:50 And the Buccaneers play like dog shit. So I'm sitting there in bed like, fuck, dude, my wife's gonna be so pissed at me <laugh> because I just, I just lost a thousand on the finals, Tim. Uh, and I didn't wanna make the next bet and, but we did it anyways. And I was watching it like, oh my God, dude, peer pressure. The Cowboys are seriously fixing fucking beat the Buccaneers. Like, oh my God. And I was, we were laying in bed and I was just looking over and she was looking at me and she was like, I don't really know what's going on, what's happening? I'm like, well, uh, as of right now it looks like I may have to pay a thousand dollars. Sorry, <laugh>. And then they, they kicked the field goal one and I was like, oh my God, thank you. Like, dude, like that's what I mean. Like the, the the relief that I got after that game was over and like the, the happiness I got was totally worth it. Yeah. That's
Speaker 2 00:37:36 So much anxiety. I have enough of that dealing with like Covid and all this craziness. Yeah. I don't need any of
Speaker 1 00:37:41 That. Yeah. Uh, I, I probably shouldn't. Well, I mean, if you ever do decide to gamble here in Nashville, you can download the app and use Code Rowdy and you can get up to a $400 match on the well dollar for dollar deposit. You know, that is definitely interesting. Just, just throwing that out there, you know, of course for you guys listening, you're able to do that also, but only it's only in Tennessee, so. Yeah. There you go. Don't do it down in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:38:06 You can't do it in Texas.
Speaker 1 00:38:07 Yeah. <laugh>. But man, it's uh, it's one of those things where it, it is a fan of music, right? Like, and as a fan of sports right? Those two things kind of like line up with each other, right? Yeah. So it's like, like you are like, I'm a die hard Yankees fan, right. For like me, I'm like one of those guys that's like, finds an artist and like, just loves 'em and just like wa loves to watch it grow. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's, it's, it's been a blessing to me to hear your music and listen to your sound develop. And dude, I know you're just getting freaking started cuz you're still so freaking young. Oh, I, I really, I really, really appreciate that man. It means a lot. I, uh, you know, I'm just, you know, I get I guess becoming a better musician, uh, and everything, uh, is helping like, uh, the new stuff writing is just my favorite shit I've ever wrote. Hell yeah. Yeah. Which, which is awesome. But, you know, also it's like, fuck dude, I wanna play it so bad. But I know like, just how far out I am on playing it. So I just try not to get too hyped on it, but I'm so excited, like the, the new sounds and shit, uh, just different guitar tones and all that. Like, so fun. I'm just so excited for it and I'm ready for everybody to hear it.
Speaker 2 00:39:12 I wish our podcast listeners could see your face talking about this new music. It's, I could tell how stoked you are,
Speaker 1 00:39:17 Right? Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm, I mean, me and Falcon are the same way where Falcon's, my, my publisher too, I guess probably shouldn't just say Falcon without any, uh,
Speaker 2 00:39:25 There's a bird in the podcast studio.
Speaker 1 00:39:27 The Falcon I bring with me everywhere. Yeah. Is really exciting. Uh, yeah, we're, we're pumped about it. I'm a management team. Everybody's excited about it, band's excited about it. Um, just can't wait.
Speaker 2 00:39:37 Um, since I'm a band guy. I gotta ask, what are you torn with band Wise?
Speaker 1 00:39:41 We're, we're a five piece, uh, just two electrics, bass and drums. Uh,
Speaker 2 00:39:46 And are you, are you playing acoustic mainly? I've seen you play electric too,
Speaker 1 00:39:49 Right? I play electric, yeah. I rip a few leads, man. Yeah, I know, dude. No big deal. I'm not great, but I, I love to play leads, so I do it anyways. Yeah. That's
Speaker 2 00:39:58 Kind of the beauty. It's your gigs. Beauty.
Speaker 1 00:39:59 Be in the front man as I can fuck up, uh, and be okay with it.
Speaker 2 00:40:03 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:40:03 Like the other night, dude, I, I, I normally play the intro to one of our songs called Tired and um, you know, it's a pretty easy intro. But, uh, the other night I just completely, we hadn't played in a week and a half or two weeks, uh, which has been the longest I hadn't played since, you know, we went back full time and I just completely didn't play it <laugh> because I hit the wrong thing first and I was like, oh no, that's bad cuz it's coming through the mains pretty loud,
Speaker 2 00:40:28 Super loud.
Speaker 1 00:40:29 Oh yeah, because
Speaker 2 00:40:30 You know, that's loud music though. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:40:31 Exactly. And people, people dig the shit out of it, dude. Like even if you're fucking up, like as long as you're fucking up full speed. Yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's all, I think
Speaker 2 00:40:40 Like, people are so used to like, like looking at social media where everything's so polished and there's filters and like, everything is, like all the pimples are removed from photos and all this and that. Yeah. It's like, that's why I like going to the live show where I could tell that the band and, and they're not like, everything's just tracked and it's just karaoke kind of, or whatever, you know, like, dude, I
Speaker 1 00:41:01 Love that. Absolutely. Like they're, you know, I respect all of it. Uh, but for me, me personally, even as a fan, like I love going to a show and seeing like a band really fucking getting into it and like Yeah, no, like, no doubt. Like hearing 'em fuck, like fuck up dude. Like whatever, it's live music, it's, it's not supposed to be perfect. Yeah. Right. Uh, and then this's, the beauty of it is when it is perfect, you're just some bad motherfuckers, you know? Right. Like that's, that's, that's kind of the, the whole thing is it's so fun to get to go hear, uh, like the subtle differences in the, in the live version and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, the recorded version. Um, for me at least. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 00:41:34 Yeah. Such a thrill. That's why part of the reason why people buy tickets. Yeah. At least I hope that's why. Yep.
Speaker 1 00:41:39 Yeah. I would hope so. I would hope so too, man. I think, I think that's a reason. Yeah. If it sounds exactly like the record, I can listen to the record whenever, you know what I mean? Yeah. That, that's sounds, that's kinda how I feel. Um, I could just listen to the record with a picture of you on the wall. Yeah. <laugh>, you know, uh, but it's a song right there to each Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:41:57 Write that down. Colby picture.
Speaker 1 00:41:59 Lemme lemme just, yeah. But, uh, it's one of those things too where it's like, for me, like I'm, I mean, my background's just as a fan, you know? Yeah. So like, the reason that Ray's rowdy exists is because live music meets so much to so many people. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. I mean, I'm, that's where it comes from. You know, I, I think most, most musicians are diehard music fans. Like, like I am, like, why, you know, I don't listen to a ton of country anymore. Uh, it's also just kinda like, I, I, I wouldn't say anymore, like I still listen to it. Like I've dove way off into this other genre. You'll be bad music. Oh, I will. I mean, I still, that's how good. Every once in a while after I'll listen to like fucking, like, you know, this weird alternative pop rock shit.
Speaker 1 00:42:42 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then, uh, then go play like Randy Rogers or, or mm-hmm. <affirmative> Cross Canadian ragweed or you know, some, and I always love, cause I grew up on all that stuff when I was young. Like my dad, uh, he, he, he introduced me to, to Reckless Kelly, Randy Rogers, Wade Bow, and all, all the old, the Tex old, all the, you know, the Texas guys that were doing it, legends. Um, and it's, it's, I just love going cuz I, I listened to all of their songs. Like when I listen to an artist, if it's someone I really love, I'll listen to everything. Like I'll, I'll go through the whole catalog. Good. The bad. Really good, really bad. You know? Yeah. I'll respect it. Um, so going and listening to the stuff that I was listening to in 2007 when I was like, six is so cool now. Uh, cuz it's still dope. Like it still sounds good, like mm-hmm. <affirmative> sometimes I'm like, oh, this is gonna be not as good as I remember. And it's always fucking even better than I remember. Just brings you back to that time. Yeah. Ex. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:43:35 Salt is a hell of a drug sometimes.
Speaker 1 00:43:36 It, it is. Absolutely. It'll definitely make you overlook a shitty sounding song. Yeah. Because I've known, I, the reason I know that is because I've been so hyped to show, show some people's songs. Like, dude, you gotta fucking hear this song. It's so good. And, uh, I'm just sitting here just jamming out and they're like, what the
Speaker 2 00:43:50 Fuck is he? I hate when that happens.
Speaker 1 00:43:51 Yeah. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's the most embarrassing feeling ever.
Speaker 2 00:43:54 You're like, watch this YouTube video. It's so funny. And then they're like, looking at their phone, not paying any attention. Oh
Speaker 1 00:44:00 Dude, there's nothing worse than that. Or, or like, if, if you're showing somebody a new song that you really love, like even like one you wrote like, Hey dude, here's, listen to this new song I wrote. It's fucking cool. And like, they're just kind of playing on their phones and shit. I'll, I'll literally, if I'm showing it to the band, dudes slap their phones. They're all, all my best friends. No, I'll fucking turn it off and hey, fuck you guys. And go back to the back lounge. And then whoever wanted to hear it will come back. They be like, Hey man, I was really enjoying that. And then we'll listen to it. We really have the moment. You know? Yeah. That was intended.
Speaker 2 00:44:30 Uh, demo jail. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:44:32 <laugh>. Yeah, <laugh>. It's, uh, it's one of those things too though. It's like, honestly, sometimes though, it's good to have people that are like, don't bullshit you. If they're not in love with it, then you know that. Yeah. You're gonna know when the fans will love it or not. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. Because when you play it for 'em, you're gonna get that feeling back or you're not. Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Uh, I, I agree. Um, it's a feeling that's not fun, but definitely needed. Yeah, dude. It's that, it's that little, it's that little reality check. You know what I mean? Absolutely. You're like, oh, I thought nope. Okay, let's try the next. Oh yeah, that one. Yeah. You know? Exactly. Like, it's, that's kind how it, it works. Cause the bad song doesn't mean that, that doesn't even mean it's a bad song.
Speaker 1 00:45:10 It doesn't mean everything else that's coming after it's gonna be bad either. No. It's like, uh, this one's just not as good as I thought it was. Yeah. And that's, it's, it's all about what you feel and that's a very important piece and that's part about how you do it and how you actually like get there. Yeah. But then it's also, okay, here's what all these people were interacting with. Yeah. Right. And that live show is the testament for that. Absolutely. And there, there's certain songs like that I've released that, uh, you know, not like that I was gonna release no matter what. And then there's songs that, uh, I was like, man, this is, this is not not bad that people were like, dude, it's so good. You should put it out. And I'm like, fuck it. Like Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:45:48 A lot of artists are doing that now. I see. I feel like every other post from like, some artists I follow is just like a work tape or something, and they're like, we don't need like, you know, teams at labels. Yeah. You know, picking this up, I'll just put it out and see what, you know, no offense, labels or anything, but it's like they're crowdsourcing the job of like, you know, a and r or whatever,
Speaker 1 00:46:08 But the labels are happy they're doing that. Right. Yeah. Because then they get more data behind it if it's gonna do good or not. You know, I, I mean, it, it makes a ton of sense. Like, uh, and as, as like a fan too. Like, I'm gonna listen to it if you, if you post it like Yeah. And I'm gonna, I mean I'm, you know, I won't tell you if it's good or bad, but I'll know if I'm excited about it or not. Right. You know? Right. Yeah. Um, I think it's a great thing. It's something that is obviously super new to music in general that definitely needs to be utilized so people stop putting out shitty songs, I guess, you know? Yeah. And it is, man, it's the, the internet right now is a crazy time. Wild. And specifically after Covid and there was so much you couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 00:46:45 You were just on the internet. Yeah. Like with TikTok and how that's like, it's selling actual tickets. It's selling actual streams, you know, like it's, it's crazy nuts. I mean, I've like, like seeing, I mean sauce, like people that have nobody listening to 'em then blow up on TikTok and they have over a million listeners, like with overnight it's crazy. Almost. It's, it's insane. It's, it really, it's really exciting. It should be exciting for anybody that's in the music business, you know? Absolutely. And that's like one of those things, like there wasn't a lot of artists like you that, like your first song like really got buzz. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So like, it's a, it's, that's not common. And I, I would say it's even less common in Nashville than it is in the Texas scene. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 00:47:28 It seems like in Texas that like something can pick up and get steam a little quicker. It, it can for sure. It's, it, I I think a lot of it is just being authentic, like we talked about earlier, like, especially in Texas. Like Yes. Cuz they're gonna fucking see right through it if you're, if you're, uh, you know, trying to be something else that you thought. Um, and I think that was kind of hard for me to do whenever we put out every single kiss, just cuz you know, like I said, I was 15. Yeah. It was just kind of whatever. Yeah. But it's, it's one of those weird things though, where it's like, that's just another version of that, you know, like TikTok if you do it the right way. But the problem is if you just put out a song and it gets people listening to it, that doesn't fix it.
Speaker 1 00:48:06 Yeah. You have to have the people behind you that help you get it to where it needs to be. Yeah. And then the next thing's behind that, you know what I mean? Yeah. Whether that is just like an organic team that you have or a record label or whatever that is. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, it's like takes that freaking army, it takes that family, you know? Absolutely. It, it, it's in my experience at least from seeing people, it's not gonna work if there's anyone in the team that eh, it is kind of iffy on it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, everything I've ever seen work extremely well has been people behind it that believe in it just as much as the artist does, you know? Yeah. You gotta believe. Exactly. Yeah. Like, you gotta believe that, uh, you're gonna be playing to a hundred thousand people at some point, you know?
Speaker 1 00:48:50 Hell yeah. Yeah. And if it ever happens, if it happens then fuck Yeah. If not, then keep pushing. I'll always believe it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I think that's, I mean, and a lot of people don't have successes early as you do, but a lot of people also don't write those melodies when they're 15 or 17 years old, <laugh>. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's one of those things where it's like you see the talent, you watch it grow and then just man, light the world on fire from there. Yeah. So I remember I was stoked when I saw you were with Combustion originally. Um, I was over there and did a podcast with like Cory Kent and then you guys had the song Corey The Drop. Yeah. Cory's Dope Love Cory. Kurt was actually, um, out on the road playing some shows with Flatland and Cory was opening.
Speaker 2 00:49:31 Yeah. Oh hell yeah. That was my first time being in a Texas band, I guess. So what,
Speaker 1 00:49:36 What were you, when did you, when was that?
Speaker 2 00:49:38 Uh, we played, I think it was in, was it this march? We played in College Station, like we did three nights over there. Hell yeah. Yeah. And it was, we had three different openers and one night was Corey Kent, one was Mason Lively and I forget who the third one was. Oh, it was, um, Matt, uh, I can't remember his last name right now.
Speaker 1 00:49:57 Williams?
Speaker 2 00:49:58 No. Castillo. Castillo Mc Castillo. Thank you. Yeah, dude. And so it was cool and like I had, you know, I had the cowboy hat on and everything and I was just honking talking and dude, that's
Speaker 1 00:50:09 Awesome.
Speaker 2 00:50:10 I was like, no one knows I'm not from Texas <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:50:13 Dude, as long you just play the part. That's
Speaker 2 00:50:16 What I was doing. Never questioned it. Not a cowboy, but I played one on tv. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:50:19 <laugh>. But, uh, I remember like talking to Kurt and you know, I'm a big Flatland fan too, and he was like super same. Yeah, me too. I'm, I'm playing with this band, flatland Cavalry. I'm like, oh, that was my number one listen to band of 2019. That's Spotify. You know, like, it's just like there's, the music from Texas has been authentic for a while and now it's starting to pick up where people nationwide and people in Nashville Yeah. Are like, oh, okay. I mean even, even like, uh, since I started playing, um, I mean I, I started full-time, uh, July 20th, three years ago. What that be 2019 I guess was when I started. I mean I was still working, but playing every weekend and stuff. Like since I've started playing, uh, I mean the amount that the scene's grown out of state cause cause of guys like CO and Cody Johnson and, and all Parker, like all the dudes that are gone out there mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:51:08 <affirmative>, it's insane. Like it's crazy. It's exploding before your eyes I guess, you know, cuz uh, and it's a lot of the old dudes laid the, uh, the, the path to follow go out there and, and it's, you know, it's cool to see it actually, uh, just expanding as much as it as it is. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's opening those doors for other artists and then when, if they have a Texas artist that came up and played their venue right. Then they're like, oh, that did well Yeah. Then they have data of like, okay, let's bring someone else in. Exactly. Let's see how that goes. And there's a lot of those pockets all over America that are Sure. Wow. Like there's that many people that care about it there. Yeah. It's like, yeah dude, it's wild. That's like Chicago. Like Chicago is just such a big red dirt market because Ed Warm made it a red dirt market. Yeah. Know, I mean it's people like that that just are like all I'm gonna do it from the ground up. Yeah. Forced it to happen and make it happen. It's, it's super cool. Uh, and you know, thank God for people like that. Yeah, absolutely. Man. It's a, it's a cool thing to see and to get to experience and then it's great to see the, the next generation of that coming up. Yeah, exactly. I think you're one of the spearheads of that man. Oh, appreciate it man. Hope so. You
Speaker 2 00:52:13 Catch any flack for like signing a deal in Nashville.
Speaker 1 00:52:16 No, man. Uh, and anybody that that is upset about it can kiss my ass. We
Speaker 2 00:52:22 Got two words for 'em, right? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 00:52:24 I, I don't, I don't, you know, um, I think, I think the whole stigma behind that kind of, with the last few dudes that that have, that have signed has Right. Has kind of died off. Uh, I agree. Which is, you know, awesome cuz it, nobody wants to be excited about signing a, a record deal and then scared to tell their fans, you know, that's not cool. Like, I I,
Speaker 2 00:52:44 As long as the music's good. Right.
Speaker 1 00:52:46 It's great. Exactly. Matter's. That's that's what I'm saying. Like, we, I mean, I don't know how everybody else works for, for us. I mean, we literally just went and made the record the exact same way. Yep. And they're like, fuck yeah, thank you <laugh>. Like now we can Perfect. Yeah. That's what it's about. It's about finding the right deal Yeah. The right people that believe in you. Yeah. You know what I mean? That aren't trying to change you Exactly. Have your best interest in mind and you have, you know, the music that makes it freaking work. Yeah, exactly. I, I mean, and since the beginning of talking with, with Broken Boat, it was, dude, we love it so much, we just, we wanna make it as big as possible. Yeah. I was like, Hey dude, that's what I wanna do. I wanna make, you know.
Speaker 1 00:53:22 Yeah. I think, I mean, not everybody, there's some people that don't, but I mean, I want, you know, my music to be as big as it can possibly be and I don't wanna stand in the way of that. Yeah. Just because there's a negative stigma around signing mm-hmm. <affirmative> Right. A record deal, I guess. Uh, but to something Yeah, no, like I said, like there's people that got hate, uh, a few years ago, but it's just, it's died off. Like when we told everybody we signed, everybody was excited about it. Everybody's Yeah. And the comments hyphen it up. It's, it's way different than, uh, love than Fuck dude. Thanks for nothing. I'm not a fan anymore. Like, you know, I'm sure there are people that, that didn't, you didn't dig it and you'll have that with anything. You're still gonna listen though. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1 00:54:03 As long as the music's great, they're gonna listen. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We just fucking kept putting, we put out the same music <laugh>, but just, you know, better. Yeah. Well, it's been, it's been dope to get to, to hear you a little bit and thank y'all for having me, man it dude. Absolutely, man. And, uh, at the end of our podcast, we always make Kurt play with the artists. Make we make the artist play with Kurt <laugh>. Hey. Uh, so we're gonna have you guys play excuses. Sounds good, man. I'm stoked for it, man. Yeah. Um, dude, thanks so much for dropping over here to the content cave at CURT's house and, uh, yeah, thank you for, for letting me and Falcon come into your house and, uh, in pose. Appreciate it very much, man. Absolutely. We appreci appreciate it, dude. And, uh, I can't wait to see you in freaking November. I got tickets for both nights. Hell yeah, dude, I'm, I'm, I can't wait to play 'em. Yep. And, uh, can't wait to hear I'm, I mean, of course this project that just came out and whatever you got coming down the line, man. Yeah, man, I, uh, I I can't wait for everybody to hear it too. Hell yeah. Appreciate it again, thank y'all so much. Absolutely. All Well I'm Nikki T I'm Kurt Ozon.
Speaker 3 00:55:06 I'll see you front.
Speaker 1 00:55:06 See the front.
Speaker 3 00:55:18 What just happened? I thought we here on the same road in a fast lane, right there on the same page. It all changed and all. I heard you say it ain't you. It's me. You deserve so better. So this is how it's gotta, girl, you ain't seen forever, so how just stop you, right? All I hear and what the door that.
