Episode 120 - Austin Shawn

Speaker 0 00:00:01 Yout have, It's the, Youre in the Ain't Like a Friday, people. Thanks. It's called Raised Row. Speaker 1 00:00:26 All right, everybody. Welcome to the Raised Rowdy Podcast. Let's do a formal intro again. I feel like I liked it last time. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:00:32 You well, you do great. And I do great. So you wanna do it or you want me to? Speaker 1 00:00:36 I'm, I want do it. There Speaker 2 00:00:37 It is. Speaker 1 00:00:38 All right. Well, now everyone, welcome to the Race Row podcast. This is very exciting. Speaker 2 00:00:43 I'm Nicky T Speaker 1 00:00:44 Hey, I'm Kurt. And we have our, our guest here, literally the most best producer in Nashville ever. <laugh>, according to some poll I saw on Instagram, Austin, Sean, Speaker 3 00:00:53 Allegedly. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:00:54 Allegedly. Dude, that's a, that's big timing, and honestly, like, what a freaking mark. Um, I work for Joey Moy. He's like, my dad, kind of, Is that Speaker 3 00:01:04 Right? Yeah. <laugh>. I've never met him. He's very good. I know him through, uh, through song. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:01:10 So, dude, he's, he's a great guy, but it's cool. He's been on the top of that list forever, so it's neat to see another name up there. Speaker 3 00:01:15 Yeah. Yeah. He's, uh, he's a respected guy, His work man. Amazing. Speaker 2 00:01:20 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:01:20 I gotta ask just a silly intro question. Um, for all the folks out there that aren't musicians, I am a musician, obviously, Nicky, you're like, not, you're not, but you're like in the know. Um, Speaker 2 00:01:33 I know some terms Speaker 1 00:01:34 In 2022, What does a, a music producer such as yourself do, Speaker 3 00:01:39 Dude, in, Speaker 1 00:01:40 Give us the, like, explain it to us? Like Speaker 3 00:01:42 Everything? Yeah. <laugh>, no doubt. It seems like it, I don't know, like a music producer has changed over the course of, like, I feel like a, um, I mean, honestly, pretty recently, I think as technology and everything has evolved, you know, over the course of time, it's, it's changed. You know, I think like, you could be a, there's like executive producer now, and then there's like, there's so many stages of a record. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, or there has been throughout time, like, uh, you know, you go and cut, and then you mix, and there's mastering, and then there's editing, and then there's like the, you know, all the phases. But now it's like, I mean, you, you can pull up your laptop in a room and you can make a hit song Speaker 2 00:02:23 Right then, Which Speaker 3 00:02:24 I, Speaker 1 00:02:24 Which which Speaker 3 00:02:25 You've done Mixmaster and produce. Yeah. And so, so that was kind of like, um, when I, in the stage, I, I feel like right now is the best, like, one of the greatest times to be a producer, you know, because when I was 13 and I started producing 13, 14, around there, eighth grade, ninth grade, um, that's what I did. You know, I pulled up my, my laptop and I pulled up plugins. You know, I didn't have a live room. I didn't have money to afford anything except for like, software that, you know, I got off of the Pirate Bay <laugh>. Hell yeah. Pro Tools was the first one I got on Pirate Bay, and I downloaded it. Yeah. And I was like, All right, here we go. Go. I'm using Pro Tools and none of the other ones work. So. Speaker 1 00:03:01 And you've been a pro ever since? Yeah, Speaker 3 00:03:03 <laugh>, I've, I've gotten pro tooled every day, ever since <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:03:06 So I think, like historically, a producer back in the day is someone that would, um, do like, really put their mark on the music in ways of like, arranging, dealing with tempos and in keys. And like, let's say like, I'm Dolly Parton, and I write a song called Nine to Five, and someone has to go, All right, well, we want to go and someone has to like, write the horn parts and all that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> getting all that. And then also there's talking about like, what Mikes to use and the technical aspect of that as well. Um, I think nowadays it's like, it's kind of like everything is, you know, like, there's like more specifics that you're having to do. It's like a lot of little things also, as opposed to just like getting there and recording the tape, and like mixing and mastering and being done. I guess there's more, like you're, you're engineering the stuff, you're mixing, you're mastering, you're even writing on it now. Speaker 3 00:04:02 Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, you know, the way I look at producing is super, I'm, I'm super, like, I'm not a very technical person, you know, from the get go. I never had, because I never learn, I didn't learn that way. I didn't learn like what, how to, I, I didn't even know how to, how a compressor worked for the, when I first started producing and stuff, I just like knew like, Man, if you turn this knob, it sounds good. <laugh>. Yeah, for sure. You do. It sounds good. So I feel like that's where like the, the, the rules kind of break down when you don't, when you don't really care about any of that, you know? And, and, um, like, I mean, there's lots of records that get cut just on a SM seven B mike, like this. Right. And while you're sitting in the room, you don't go into a, a, a, you know, live room. You don't go into a studio, you just sit down and you record. And then you, you capture your emotion. And that's really the most important part of a record, is just the emotion and what feels good. I don't care if it's clipping. I don't care if it's like distorting or whatever it is. You know? It sounds cool, man. It sounds cool. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:04:55 I think that's definitely in the newer school, right? Speaker 2 00:04:57 Absolutely, man. And I think that's part of why it's hidden, right? Cause it does, it does sound different, you know? Yeah. Like, specifically country music is so, like, this is how you do it, and this is the order it goes in, and here's how you produce it to make it sound like this. So I think like, bringing those other things, which, if you're talking about music in general, that's how other genres have been doing it for a while, you Speaker 3 00:05:19 Know? Speaker 2 00:05:19 Yeah. There's a lot of producers that have been doing it in like a rap scene or in like a pop scene where they've been kind of working the way that you're working now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But the country music world, it's just starting. And it started with like, what they call track guys, right? So that's like when you go into a room with a Right. You come in with a beat, you know what I mean? Already, Or you build that beat as the song's coming to beat mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, And so like, that was like the first part of that, and now it's full production. Right. So previously they were like taking that track and they were taking it to a traditional producer, and they were producing it mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Well, now you're just bypassing that Speaker 3 00:05:52 Step. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's definitely like, um, it's definitely evolved, especially in country. Yeah. Under the course. Uh, dude, even in the last like, 10 year, you know, five to 10 years. Oh, for sure. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like the onset is happening now. So that's why I say like, right now is like such a great time to be a producer and to learn and to like, and to, to be able to like, I mean, you could be a songwriter, producer, mixing, miser mixer, mastering engineer on a song like that, that you made just right there in the room from your laptop, you know, if you know what you're doing, Well's. I mean, that's what you did with Bailey Zimmerman, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's what we did. So I met Bailey, um, oh, after he had, he had only been singing for <laugh>, I think it was like four or five months. Speaker 3 00:06:34 Um, so, um, my manager, uh, brought me, uh, my manager, and then, um, his other manager, Scott Frazier brought, um, him to me. And, um, yeah, I met this wild kid that was just, he was like, Man, how old was he? He was, when I met him, he was 20, I think he was 20 years old when I met him. Yeah. Crazy. He's 20 years old. And, uh, he was like, Man, I just, I don't really know what I'm doing, but, but I know I wanna do it. <laugh> <laugh>. And I was like, Well, I'm here to help you do it, man. Yeah. That's awesome. And then, um, yeah, and that's kind of like how it evolved, you know? That's kind of been our, been our, like, our motto, you know? We just like do it. You know, Whatever feels good, feels good. You know, I, when I, you see, the thing is when I, when I produced an artist, when I took on a project, I look at like, who the artist is as a person, where they're from, what they, you know who they are. Speaker 3 00:07:25 And I kind of think about those things, you know, like zoom out and look at a macro perspective. So I was like, Man, Bailey's like this, this kid that, you know, like he's from, from South Illinois, you know what I mean? He, he worked the pipeline for the union. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then Gavin Lucas are one of our great writing buddies, You know, same thing. You know, they, and they love like this Americana folk style of writing, um, you know, mixed with a little bit of modernized country and stuff. So that's kind of like, I take all that in consideration. I'm like, Okay, this is like, this is like what? This is the agreed upon filter, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> that we wanna like, that we want to go the direction, And this is with every artist, you know, that I take on. It's like, here's our, here's our, our square, you know, our picture frame, you know, And these are like the boundaries that we're setting. Speaker 3 00:08:08 This is the goal, you know, this is what we're aiming for. So let's, let's shoot through that filter all the time. Let's always be asking ourselves, Hey man, is this song shooting through that filter? Is it shooting in that picture frame? You know, we have these boxes. And it's not like it's putting yourself in a box. It's more like putting yourself in your own box. Yeah. You build a box, right? And then you paint within those lines. And if it's going outside, you say, Hey, man, I think this is, while this could technically work, you know, it's not really like that filter that we're shooting through. You know what I mean? Let's go back into this and let's stay within those bumper lanes of our sound, you know, and let's build upon that and let's keep, like, let's build a mansion within this square footage. Speaker 3 00:08:46 You know what I mean? Just all the way up to the sky. And so that's the, that's the, the main integral like goal, you know, for, for me as a, a producer in my job, I feel like, is to, is to create that, you know, that identity for an artist, that sonic identity. Yeah. You know, cuz you hear like a record. Like even, I mean, even like Luke, you know, you hear a Luke record, you're like, Hey man, that sounds like, that sounds like a Luke Combs record. You know? Or you could hear another song and say like, That sounds like this or that sounds like that. A lot of people say like, Man, that's like Fleetwood Mac sounding. Or like, old school man, it sounds like they hear a disco beat and they're like, Man, that's Michael Jackson sounding. Or, or whatever it is. That's my goal is to create an artist like that to where everybody like, hears their voice, hears their sound, and say, Man, that's a Bandman record. Yeah. You're like, Man, that's his record. Or That sounds like that. And so it's like, um, it's that, that, um, uh, how do you say, like, I wanna create timeless songs, basically. Yeah. And so to do that is to, to find your filter, find your lane, find those bowling, those what I said, like those bowling lanes, you know, and then let's, let's build a fucking mansion. Yeah. Hell Speaker 2 00:09:56 Yeah. Yeah. That's a super cool way to think about it and totally makes sense. You're cuz Yeah. You're, you're trying to make it so that it's a cohesive body of work, Right. Like Speaker 3 00:10:05 Yeah. Single body to, to that person. Exactly. You know, to that person based off of like, you know, who they are. You know, because you can really can't fake anything. Right. I think you, you maybe can for a little bit, but you really can't fake anything, honestly. Yeah. So, so why not just, you know, do what you do and, and make it, um, make it badass. Make it like the, the greatest thing. The greatest version of yourself. Yeah. You know what I mean? Speaker 2 00:10:29 So like, um, growing up, were you just like a music kid? Speaker 3 00:10:33 Yes, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I started playing guitar when I was seven, which is funny because I can't really play guitar very well. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:10:39 Well, you can keep calling me to do that, Speaker 3 00:10:41 <laugh>. Yeah. I'm actually, I've actually started up, uh, lessons with Kurt next week. Nice. <laugh> <laugh>. Uh, no. Um, yeah, I, I, I was, I really was. Which is, um, it's funny, My family really wasn't, you know, super musically inclined. My grand my granddad, you know, he sung gospel music. My mom was in choir growing up a little bit. My dad did, did karaoke on the weekends a little. But I mean, no one was really like doing what I did. Like I was, I was kind of the outlier a little bit in my family, but loved music, man. I heard Keith Urban, uh, Golden Road. First record I ever heard that one in, um, um, the, what else? Uh, Shania record. Um, and, uh, those are the first two records that I ever listened to. And I, I would go lose my mind dude. I would listen, I would put it on the TV or whatever it was, and I would just like, sit there in front of the TV and just like al at like music, like ever since I was little. I just remember that was one of the first things I ever did from six years old, was just like, go crazy over music. Speaker 1 00:11:38 That's awesome. Yeah. I feel like I was definitely a little bit of a later bloomer as far as like getting into music. And I started playing guitar when I was 10, but it wasn't until like I started playing with friends that I like really fell in love with it in that way. Yeah. Um, cause I started taking guitar lessons and it was kind of like, you know, basic chords and it wasn't like super exciting, but when I started learning Iana songs and my friends were playing it with me and was like, This is fucking awesome. Then I got hooked. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:12:03 I've been hooked. And it was interesting, you know, I grew up in the, in I wanna say like a little bit of the, the early onset of the internet age too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So like, I took guitar lessons too, you know, when I first, um, started, my mom put me in 'em, but it was just super boring, you know? And I just never, it was kinda like a waste of money a little bit because I just never like, wanted to practice the songs and everything. But when I started looking up YouTube videos and I started like, looking up tabs, you know, and like, doing all that stuff that inspired me, you know, cuz I could hear like, you know, I could hear Aray song on, on mtv, you know, and then I could go to my computer in that evening and I could look up the taps, you know, or look up a tutorial on how to play it. Speaker 3 00:12:40 And I would learn how to play it and I would be so motivated to learn that over anything. And that was because I had the access that I did. You know, I grew up in that, that, that age of the internet, you know, and being able to do that. Yeah. So That's super cool. Where'd you grow up? Well, uh, I say Fort Worth. It's Fort Worth Dallas, but it's, uh, little bit like a, like an hour south of there called Keene, Texas. Okay. <laugh> a little small town. It's a college like Aist College town. Okay. Um, but, uh, yeah, nothing too special. It's just way out in the, you know what I mean, Small town of south of Fort Worth. Yeah. Yeah. How did you make your way to Nashville? Well, um, I wanted to move. Um, so if I go back and I was in a band, I had a project, it was called Miracle Gun. Speaker 3 00:13:22 Okay. Um, it was with my friends Joyce and Augustine. And, um, we loved to write, I loved the process of writing. I love the process of making the music, recording it, producing, whatever it is. But we, I don't think we ever saw eye to eye on like the artist side of, you know, performing everything like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, um, and I really love country music. I mean, I've been writing country musics for the longest time. That's where it inspired me to be a songwriter. What inspired me to be a songwriter. So, um, uh, we were gonna mail out to la um, our buddy Drew was out there who was helping us kind of like produce a little bit in and, and all that during kj. And, um, we're gonna be out to la but then me and my now fiance took a trip out to Nashville and we met a couple people and stuff. Speaker 3 00:14:04 And I said, Man, this seems like it's more of our vibe and it seems like it's kind of the same thing, you know? And I, I really wanna like, you know, plant my foot in country and plant my foot down in, in a place, you know, like this. So we said we were gonna try it out for a year when we were 19. And, um, I, if nothing happens, then I'll just go back and I'll just continue to do to renovate homes with my dad and then see what happens with music to what it comes from. Everybody. It kind of looked picked up from there. I got here and I would message people on Instagram. I just went to like hashtag songwriter, hashtag singer, hashtag country singer, whatever, <laugh>. Yeah. And I would just message people. I'd say, Hey, you wanna write? Hey, do you want, I, I'd sit up Barista Parlor down the street and I would, um, sit there on my phone and I would, um, just message 50 people. Speaker 3 00:14:46 That was my goal message 50 people. And I'd just do it every single day. And then, I mean, obviously everybody moves here for, um, a, a universal purpose, Right. Which is to do music, to, to get out, meet people, to go, um, get in rooms to do all this stuff. So back in Dallas, it wasn't the case. You message just 50 people, no one responded. You know, like, this guy's weird, bro, <laugh> <laugh>. Um, but here it's like, wow. Yeah, I really would love to do that. You know what I mean? And so I was surprised, like, I mean, my whole calendar was booked like immediately, you know? And so I would get in the rooms, um, we would write, I would do a demo and they would love the demo so much. They would, they would wanna do record, you know? And that's kind of how I started to meet people and do records is really just like, I mean, it all comes from the internet. It's just funny. I mean, like, I started like early on looking up YouTube videos, learning how to play and stuff. That's how I learned producing. I would look up tutorials on YouTube and then Instagram. That's how I met people when I first moved to Nashville. It's all like, it's crazy. It's like, it's one of the greatest times. I'm so blessed to be able to grow up in this time. Yeah. You know, and come through, come up through music. You Speaker 1 00:15:47 Make it sound so easy, man. Speaker 3 00:15:49 <laugh>, it's not, you know, that's a very like short, you Speaker 1 00:15:52 Know, but, but you put the work in, you know, you got your reps in. Yeah, for sure. Which is super important. Speaker 2 00:15:56 Yeah. I think that's the key too. Like, again, people call it luck or you know, talent, but both of those things are like developed. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Luck is developed by you sending 50 messages Yep. To 50 freaking songwriters to get in the room and get better at writing songs. Yeah. Oh, by the way, you're also, we're doing the demos, which led to the production. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you did that by being in those rooms, which you did by putting yourself out there to people to try to get co-writes and things like that. And then, dude, I mean, again, moving to freaking Nashville when you were 19. Yeah. You know, like taking that leap. Speaker 3 00:16:30 Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like some, somebody, someone has to eat something, right? Yeah. Someone you have to give up something to, to get something. And so, like, you know, moving here at 19, you know, that was giving up like my being close to my family that was giving up all this stuff and then like, and then like doing demos free, you know, like that was giving up, you know, But, but it's not really giving up, it's giving up something. It's more like investing. Yeah. You know, you're investing this time, you're investing this like, chance you're investing this stuff so that, you know, in the, it leads to to, to bigger things. So. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:16:58 Yeah. I remember hearing a quote. It was like, if you're only, if you're not doing more work than you're getting paid to do, then you're never gonna get paid more than the work you're doing. Yeah. You know? Makes sense, man. It, I think that's a big piece of it. How old are you now? Speaker 3 00:17:11 I just, uh, I turned 25, uh, back in June. Speaker 2 00:17:13 Awesome. So six years. Speaker 3 00:17:15 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:17:16 Dang, that's cool. Um, so who did you, who were you like starting to produce and like, how did, how did that lead you to other people? Or is there anything, like, any stories like that where Speaker 3 00:17:26 It's like, Well, you know, it's all, So I never had like Yeah, it's, that's an interesting question cuz I never had like a website or anything like that. I never really formulated like, myself as like a business. You know how like people have like Studio studios, the name was Speaker 1 00:17:39 With like their rates Speaker 3 00:17:40 On it. Like Yeah. All that stuff. Your song for 500. Mine was like, it was super just like, kind of just whatever, you know, It was like, Hey man, my name's Austin. I, I'll produce <laugh>. But it was all like, low key. It was like under the radar, you know, it was super like, Hey, let's get in, let's write. And then, you know, I just proved myself through like, what I did. Yeah. You know, I didn't have to like, put up anything. But yeah, it was all, it's all been through meeting people and word of mouth, you know, friends, friends of a friend, you know. That's how I met, how I met Bailey. You know, like, I produced Adam Michael, which is a do I'll call it after Midtown. Yeah. I met them through another one of my buddies, his name is Jacob Hackworth. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, I started writing with him early on. I produced his record. Um, and then that led to me meeting Chief and Simon, which are my managers now, the core. Yep. Um, and, you know, I signed with them and then they signed Bailey. And then, you know, it just kind of like, it's just all people, people, people. That's super cool. That's, that's, that was my initial goal is just no people. So, Yeah. Speaker 2 00:18:39 So you worked with after Midtown? We have actually had them on the podcast too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Great guys. Oh yeah. I love their sounds too. And again, like good buddies, if you're talking sonically, that's very different than the Bailey stuff, you know what I mean? So it's, it's cool watching that sound kind of happen and then specifically now that like, hearing you talk about how that happens, you Speaker 3 00:18:58 Know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, we went into it, you know, knowing that, you know, me, Adam, and Michael and Adam, he, he's, he's a co-producer on that stuff too. So he, he, we kind of like, uh, tag team it together. And like, we went into that knowing that it's like, Hey man, we're going after this, you know, country heavy version of rock, you know? Yeah. You know, country metal, whatever you wanna call it, you know? Yeah. Sure. And, and that's like the agreed upon like filter. Yeah. You know, and that's where we're gonna go. And then, you know, from there, once you get in, you know, further down the line in your career, you deviate, you evolve, and slowly you just evolve this amazing like, version of yourself that's just like rock solid. So Yeah. Speaker 2 00:19:32 I love that. That's super cool. Have you worked with any of the other core artists? Speaker 3 00:19:36 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I work with girl, um, uh, girl Rachel Wiggins. So Rachel, uh, after Midtown, um, Bailey Zimmerman, uh, me and NA have worked a little bit together too in the past. Yeah. We've written together and stuff and done a couple things. We, we wanna do it more. We've just, you know, it just kinda happens to get busy and everything, but Yeah. Um, and, uh, we're also, I mean, we, we're eventually, you know, later down the line, we wanna do like a record label mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know what I mean? And then sign artists. Artists and then, um, develop and all that stuff. And then, Yeah. Yeah. Super cool. Turn it into something. Cool. See, Speaker 1 00:20:08 That's so inspiring, man. I love hearing that. Yeah. Is there like an artist that you would just, who's your number one artist that you'd want to produce a song for? Speaker 3 00:20:16 You know, that's an interesting question that you, that you asked that. I don't, I don't really have one. I just think, you know what, what I'd really like is for Bailey Ziman and Post Malone Video Club. Oh, that be sense me, Gavin and Bailey and post write it together. Like, but not, you know, like a pop country. Like more like a folk Americana kind of club. That would be, that would be one that would be super cool. Speaker 1 00:20:38 Do break the internet for sure. Right. Speaker 3 00:20:40 For sure. That would be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. But, but going back to what you said, um, Yeah, I don't, right now, I, I, I think it changes every year for sure. You know, someone new can come along and you can be like, Wow, that guy's amazing. I really wanna do that. But Speaker 1 00:20:53 Yeah. Well, I know like, like Jay Joyce has produced like Hailstorm and he is done Eric Church. So he is, he's, And like Rick Rubin's done a million different Right. Genres or Quincy Jones or whoever. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Is it, like, do you picture yourself kind of staying in your frame of like, the country music world? Cause I know like Bailey's stuff is it's country, but it fucking rocks, you know, Like, it, it's just rock stuff. I'm not Would you, do you see yourself producing like even more like a traditional country stuff or, Speaker 3 00:21:23 Yeah, I'm a, I mean, my number one, I think my number one dream is to just develop artists from the grown up. You know what I mean? Like, and be there along for the, for the ride. You know, like be, and be like their shadow. Not live in someone else's shadow, but like, um, but but be like their back help have them be their backbone and like, kind of like a day one, like Speaker 1 00:21:46 A Sherpa. Speaker 3 00:21:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically like help build that house. Yeah. So that's my ultimate goal, like, is just build these artists, you know, from and develop their sound and sonically identity everything. Yeah. So, um, Speaker 2 00:22:02 When you, when you start working with an artist, like how do you kind of find those guide rails, right? Like those bumpers, those things? Like, is it just like you guys chat, or how's Speaker 3 00:22:13 It usually work? Yeah, I think it evolves over time too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> bad songs, good songs, Like, you know, this shit. And just being friends Speaker 1 00:22:20 In the writing room Speaker 3 00:22:21 For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Being friends too, and hanging out like, you know, each other better, you know, like where you're gonna go. You can be honest. Honesty for sure. Like knowing something like fucking just sucks. <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh> know when someone's like, Oh, that's cool. You know, Hey, that's, that's us. Like, let's do that again. And then we do it again. It's like, Oh fuck, let's do it again. You know? And you keep on doing, and then you get into like, to like a groove, you know? It's like, okay, this, we're starting to find it right now. You know, these songs I sing really good these songs. I don't, these are just weird. Yeah. These are really cool. You know? So I think you find it over time, you know, that's super cool. Speaker 1 00:22:53 I think a lot of people that have strong opinions on music and what it should sound like, and our musicians have like, gotten the itch, I guess, to produce. And I, I've definitely heard some stuff, some songs that go, Well, I would do it this way. And I'm like, I should just produce someone's record <laugh>. But there's a bunch of stuff. Like I'm, I would never do it because like, I don't know all the knobs on the, the board, like, what do all those knobs do? And all this stuff. I'm like, Speaker 3 00:23:19 Dude, a fun fact. You don't even have to know <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:23:23 Well, that's good to know. All right. Cause that, that's, I meant like there's, I think, like, I understand like some of the general ideas, you know, um, of producing and arranging more so on the music side. But as far as like, you know, EQing and compressing and mastering and all this stuff like that, I'm just like, I'm just weighing it over my head. So I would never, never like, take that on. Speaker 3 00:23:46 Yeah. I mean, and that's kind of where the phases came from. I feel like, you know, because I feel like someone that is so involved in a creative, you know, like, like what we were talking about, executive producing. Mm-hmm. Like, you're in the room and you're like, this part sounds cool. Hey, sing this like this, Hey, do all this. But then, you know, you give all that over to a mix engineer and he makes it like J Glue together. He turns the knobs, he EQs, he makes it punch and all that stuff, and gives it the sound. Like, and then after that it's like, okay, the mastering engineer puts the sheen on it or whatever. So that's where that kind of comes from. So like, if you wanted to, you know, right now in this, in, at this very moment, you could probably executive produce if you wanted to, like really, like truly, or you know, all you gotta, you just be in there in the room and just kind of just bounce back ideas. And then Speaker 1 00:24:31 You almost yell at Charlie. I'm like, Turn that knob better. Charlie <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:24:35 Yeah. Like an angry dad that is like stepson, <laugh>, <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:24:40 It's just such a deep Well, and so people that are like well versed in that, I just have so much respect for Yeah. Just because I thought like, one of my New Year's resolutions was like, I'm gonna like get better at like my home recording mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, Cause I was like sending tracks to people and I just sit down with computer and I'm just like, I'm bored to this computers I love, Which is weird because like, when I'm like editing photos, like, I'm like, yay. Like, this is cool, You know? But with music, I don't know, I've just never gotten bit by that, that bug, I guess. Speaker 3 00:25:12 Yeah. And I think it takes, like, it's with anything, you know, it's like you're putting in your 10,000 hours eventually, like, you're gonna be able to mix, you're gonna be able to eq something like way different than, than you would, you know, like 10 years after you've been doing it For sure. Forever. So, Speaker 1 00:25:27 Uh, I know that, um, that you guys sent out some of the Bailey stuff to get mix and mastered and then you ended up not, people weren't digging it and you ended up mixing and mastering all that stuff Speaker 3 00:25:38 Yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, not mixed. So I, I like to mix every record that I work on. It's just me. I don't know why. I've just always like been that way mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but we send it out to be mastered. Um, a couple songs, but we, we liked, we just liked the vibe of ours better. I mean, just in the box, the sound. And it's, I don't use any outboard gear, so it was just, I don't know. I feel like that was just how the record was made. It was like the compressor was pushing, you know, at a certain limit and everything was hitting at a certain level and I mixed it. And so it was like, it was mixed into that, you know, they call it top-down mixing. And, um, uh, it just sounded, it just had the vibe and it's like, man, we just, we, it's kinda like demo. I, you know, you can't get away from Speaker 1 00:26:15 It. Yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna say, you've probably heard it the same way so many times that Bailey or you, whoever, were like, Let's just keep Speaker 3 00:26:21 It. Yeah. That's, and that's how I end up mixing, mastering a lot of, a lot of records because it's, I'm so locked into like the, the way I'm doing it, you know, it's like I just end up like, Hey, we can't get away from this. It's just, this is the vibe, you Speaker 1 00:26:32 Know? Yeah. That happened to Luke. Um, we, he called me in and I played Steel on his song one number Way. It was a demo that was supposed to be given to Yeah. Uh, Taylor Ray Holbrook actually. And then he had two songs. Luke had two songs to give to Taylor, and he chose another one. And so Luke cut that one. He went in the studio and they like redid everything. And then they were like, Nah, this ain't, let's use the demo, like the real one. I have like Brent Mason on it or something. It was like crazy. Speaker 3 00:27:00 You know? That's interesting because that demo, that, that one kind of does sound like the kick and snare. Everything kind of sounds a little different, you know? Yes. Super fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of Speaker 1 00:27:09 Definitely, it's definitely different than the rest of us, especially on that first record, Speaker 3 00:27:12 But yeah, it's great example. Super cool. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:27:15 And that's the way things are moving out too. It's like, um, with the speed of how the industry's moving, it's like you could tease a song on TikTok, it could blow up. It's like you have to get the song mastered in everything and get it out as soon as possible, as fast as possible. There's not always time to go pay whoever to go sit in his mastering studio and do that. It's kind of like if you got a one stop shop, like, it's just, sometimes you just have to get the stuff out. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:27:42 I, I think it's a benefit too, right? Because like, if you can do that all in house, then you don't have to go wait two weeks for someone to, to do their Speaker 3 00:27:50 Part of it. Yeah, totally. Totally. Or risk, like, you know, spending a lot money, it's like, man, this is not this, this ain't hitting the mark. Right. Speaker 1 00:27:55 So what about, are you, I mean, are you doing any of these spatial audio stuff? <laugh>? Speaker 3 00:28:02 Oh man, Not yet. Not yet. Speaker 1 00:28:04 Yeah. That's a no, that's a deep, Well, also, Speaker 3 00:28:07 Oh man, I'm, I, I hate it. Honestly. I don't even like spatial audio. Speaker 1 00:28:10 Okay. So me ask you a question. So now Apples be on Apple. You have to have spatial audio. Right. If you're putting a release out, it has to be mixed. This is what I've heard. Maybe we talk about this with Singleton on the podcast, I forget. But it's kind of like they have you over a barrel because you want to put this song out and you want it to be Playlisted Fall in Love by Bailey Zimmerman. It's like sometimes to get on these plus, like you have to have a special audio mix now, right? Speaker 3 00:28:34 Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the times, like they'll, they'll push you if you have a spatial mix with it. That's just like their way of like, it's like Apple coming out with a new like dongle. Right. You know, it's like, Hey, you can't get by this iPhone unless you have this dongle know. Definitely. So I feel like that's kind of going that way. So special audio's gonna gonna eventually, it's, you know, the inceptions right now, but it's eventually gonna like be the new way eventually. So I'm gonna have to get used to it. And we are, we already are, but it's just kind of like, I mean, dude, we've been listening to Stereo Mix forever. You know, we've been doing it like that. It's like, why do we need to listen to 10 different speakers, Speaker 1 00:29:08 <laugh>? Well maybe that's what people said, you know, when stereo came out. Speaker 3 00:29:11 Yeah, no, totally. That's why I say it. I mean, hey man, I'm always for the progression of, of everything. So Speaker 1 00:29:15 Especially being so young and, you know, in this whole Speaker 3 00:29:18 Thing, Yeah, eventually I'm gonna have to like dive into like doby mixing, you know, and stuff. But predominantly right now I feel like I'm a, um, I'm mean, I'm a mixer for sure. Like, but I'm like producer, songwriter, you know, first and foremost. Yeah. Um, but eventually I do wanna totally get into it that way I can like double mix your song right after we ride it. You know, <laugh> so crazy. Speaker 1 00:29:36 That's, well I want to come and, you know, get high and listen to, So you mix all that stuff in spa audio for sure. Yeah. Um, I remember the first time I listened to spatial audio, I had, um, my girlfriend Colleen bought me the AirPods for my birthday and I already had the ones with the headphones. I was like, like, it was kind of a weird gift. I was like, Oh, cool. Like, I was excited about it. Like, I already have headphones, like what do I need these? Yeah. And I started listening to 'em and I was like, This is so much better. <laugh> and being on the bus, they have noise canceling. Yeah. And so I ate my edible and I was laying in my bunk and I was like, I'm gonna listen to something so different and just vibe out. And so I was scrolling iTunes or whatever, whatever it's called now, Apple Music. Speaker 1 00:30:17 And it was like spatial audio, the new thing. That's so cool. And I was like, Okay, I'll check this out. And it was like, they had some like Otis Redding song that was in Mono and then stereo and spatial. And I was like, What the, And like I had to take my EarPods. Yeah. I had to take my EarPods off and like see cause I thought the phone was playing like in, in my bunk. And I would wake up Tyler who sleeps below me. I'm like, Oh no. It's like not in my headphones anymore. It's like everywhere. And then I took it out and it went away. I was like, Oh my God, this is crazy. Speaker 3 00:30:48 <laugh> <laugh>. Yeah. It's like you're standing right there. But then at the same time, you know, going back to what I said, like sometimes it loses that glue. Yes. You know, because it's very like un un untamed, you know? And like, uh, raw sounding and like right there. Speaker 1 00:31:03 Yeah. It's like if you're used to like a wall of sound and then I felt like it, you take the same amount of bricks and spread 'em out over like around you instead of all in front of you. So I was like, I'm gonna listen to a song that I know really well and hear the differences. And so I put on a Kaan Smith has a song in there cuz what if for whatever reason like UMG just has like all their artists on there, jump party and whoever else. And it was like, it sounded like there was a guitar amp behind me just sitting there playing and I could just, I felt like I was in the room next to an amp. Speaker 3 00:31:32 It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty crazy. Like some of the stuff, I mean I listened to some like classical music and it was, Oh Speaker 1 00:31:37 Dude, Speaker 3 00:31:37 Unreal. Yeah, it was unreal. But then I went and listened to like, like some other, you know, like country mixes, like modern country mixes that I've, that I know really well and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go back to the, I don't really like this <laugh>. Yeah. It's like it falls apart. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:31:51 It's the same thing. It's like how you're used to hearing it, you know? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:31:54 It's interesting. I think that's a little bit of it. Yeah. You know? Speaker 1 00:31:56 Yeah. I listened to the Shaharazad, the Rimsky CORs, aov, Russian classical music <laugh>. And I was just like this, this is literally amazing. I was like gonna weep. It was so beautiful. I'm like, this is incredible. Speaker 2 00:32:08 Super cool. Speaker 3 00:32:08 Yeah. But I feel like that's kinda like, that's something that you wanna listen to spatial in, you know, it's like you're standing, like you're the conductor standing in the middle of the orchestra, you Speaker 1 00:32:17 Know? Did imagine like horror movies. Speaker 3 00:32:19 Oh my gosh. Speaker 1 00:32:21 I feel Speaker 2 00:32:21 Like that sometimes when I'm playing video games, like if I have headphones on, you know what I mean? It's like Yeah. It's like behind you, you hear a person like running in the, your right ear behind you Speaker 3 00:32:30 Do they do at most. And video games, Speaker 2 00:32:32 I don't know if they do at most, but like they definitely have it where yeah. You can kind of feel where the person is based on like where the sound's coming from. Speaker 1 00:32:38 Yeah. I mean mean Hulu has it on their streaming, right? I'm not sure. Yeah, I think so. Cuz Tyler said he was like, Yeah, I didn't, I had my head AirPods in and I didn't realize that he was like watching some TV show on Hulu in his bunk. And he is like, Dude, I freaked out. I didn't realize that spa audio is on streaming now. So. Oh, Speaker 3 00:32:55 No way. Well that's cool. I think that a video game would be a perfect Yeah. Place for at most. Absolutely. Yeah. Like imagine sitting in your room and then you have like zombies <laugh> like what Karl was saying, like a horror movie, Speaker 2 00:33:05 You know? Yeah. Coming from different parts and you can kind of hear it. Yeah. Super interesting man's nuts. I wonder if that will like factor into like how I think it's Speaker 1 00:33:14 Phase tricks or foot phase What phase tricks. Phase tricks. Okay. They make it sound like that. Okay. That makes sense. I meant I don't know if that what that means, but I'm just gonna say that makes sense. Speaker 3 00:33:23 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:33:24 <laugh>. I think it's interesting too, like, again, like I'm sure someone that grew up and it that's saying 20 years when that's normal, right? Yeah. They're growing up. They're gonna be like, Oh yeah, of course you produce this way. You know? Speaker 3 00:33:37 Yeah. It's Speaker 2 00:33:38 Just totally same thing, like you talking about like having the internet. Yeah. So different than how like, producers that have been doing it for 30 years Yeah. That didn't have that first and had to learn it. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:33:47 Yeah. You know? That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm always like into like the progression, you know, I might hate it. Like right now it's like weird, but like I gotta get used to it, you know? Because every car is gonna have Adobe system in it now, you know? Yeah. And it's funny, let's, I mix in the car, so I take my lap, like it's part of like, sometimes half of a song is mixed in for my car. So I'll go out with my laptop and I'll plug in through the ox cord and I've had my u a d like little like, um, it powers my plugins, you know, Uhhuh <affirmative>, kinda like what Charlie has over there, that little u a d thing. Um, and I, uh, and I plug up and I just like, uh, I mix a little bit in my car. I have this like 2015 Nissan Versa, um, that, uh, I trust really well. It's like, it sounds good in there. It's gonna sound good anywhere, you know, it's a shitty car. Super cool. And so I'll just like, I'll be doing mixed weeks in my car just through the ox cord. And then I'll, and then after that I, I listen to, through the headphones I'll stream, there's a plug in called Audio Movers. We, we use it Kurt one time. Speaker 1 00:34:38 Oh, is that the thing that makes it sound like an iPhone or something? Speaker 3 00:34:41 No, no. Audio movers is where you can stream from your d a w to wherever you want. So you can stream it to your iPhone, you can stream Speaker 1 00:34:48 Oh, that thing we use for that session with Charlie. Speaker 3 00:34:49 Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. And so I'll do that and I'll stream it to my AirPods and I'll just mix my AirPods cuz everybody's gonna hear it either in the car Yeah. On the ra on the radio or streaming Spotify. Or they're gonna hear it in their AirPods right now. Yep. And so if it sound, I don't care how it sounds in my studio, like at the end of the day, really, you know, it doesn't really matter. All that matters is where it sounds good. So it's gonna sound good in the car, if it sounds good in the car, if it sounds good on the iPhone, if it sounds good on laptop or like your AirPods. So half of the mix comes from there, comes from mixing those systems. Um, so, Speaker 1 00:35:19 And also just like literally holding a phone and putting it in a cup, it's Speaker 3 00:35:23 Like, Yeah. Right. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And yeah, I mean I'll stream that, that audio movers thing to my phone and I'll be doing some mixed tweaks. You know, if the vocals like sitting weird, you know, on the phone, then I'll like, I'll have to like tweak it, you know, based off of the phone. Cuz most people are gonna, the first time they're gonna hear, hear a song is on TikTok. Yeah. You know, <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:35:39 So crazy. It's, it's so interesting to hear that and totally makes sense. But yeah, just, I just imagine you sitting in your verse now mix, you know, doing work on these songs that are selling millions of copies and being played all over the radio. Speaker 3 00:35:53 Well it's funny, um, I, uh, I'm getting ready cuz I'm gonna build my studio pretty soon within the year or so. And, um, uh, one of my goals is to take my versa cuz I mean, I want to keep it, but at the same time I want to, to basically cut it in half. Yeah. Take out the engine and then make just like a little booth, you know, just like the front driver and passenger seat. Keep the same doors and then that be like, put it in my studio and that'd be like my second monitor, dude. That's so that way I can like flip, you know, have a studio flip and then just flip into the car and then I just go sit in the car and then I have my screen there and I just do pro tools tweaks, you know, for like, I've been going the car <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:36:31 That's so awesome. Yeah. That's very inspiring, honestly. Like that's be fun with like a Volkswagen bus or something. Speaker 3 00:36:38 <laugh>. Oh yeah, dude, that would be super cool. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:36:40 Super cool. So like, in the production world, are there any like, producers that you like idolize or like looked up to kind of anything like that? Speaker 3 00:36:48 Yeah, you know what, you know, I, I love Joey's stuff, man. Dude, it's great. It's great. He's like super, super. Does he mix all that too? Speaker 2 00:36:55 I I don't know if he mixes it all or not. I'm not sure. Yeah. I haven't got to be in, in like one of their sessions yet. But Speaker 3 00:37:00 Yeah, I like music, man. Um, I was really inspired by a, um, um, a guy that I learned from, you know, that I was talking about. Drew, Drew folk mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, he's a, he's like a rock producer. I was super inspired by him like growing up. He taught me a lot. Um, you know, just about like, kind of like that, those macro phases of like, hey, the, what's the, what's the big picture here? You know, when you're like, like take a step back from like the technicality of it and then look at the big picture and look at like what you're going for. And you know, it doesn't matter how you get there, it doesn't matter if you recorded it in a fricking, you know, dumpster fire if you recorded it here, how you get there. It just like, just get there. You know what I mean? And that was kind of like one of the things that made me look at music differently, you know, something like hearing that from somebody. Yeah. So, yeah. It's just like along the way you kind of get inspiration from different people too. Yeah. You know, there's like been several songwriters and people that, you know, that don't really even have like big hits, you know, that have inspired me and made me think a different way and, and you know, you just kind of take bits and pieces, I feel like along the way. Love Speaker 2 00:37:59 That. Speaker 3 00:38:00 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:00 Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like there's no right way to do it, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's why there's so many people that do it. And like you said, like you learned online looking up how to be a producer, right? Speaker 3 00:38:11 Yeah. Yeah. See all those people, I mean, shout out to them, they they've been a big inspiration in my life. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:17 But then it's like, it's like same thing like Kurt's talked about with guitar. It's like you learn how to play guitar like someone else. Yeah. And then you take that and you put it with three other people and then you mix 'em all together and then you do things that are your own Right. And that's when you have a sound that's your own. And I think it's cool, like, you're doing that for yourself, but you're also doing that with each artist. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like where you're making a sound, helping them make a Speaker 3 00:38:40 Sound. Yeah, totally. And then at the same time it's like your sauce bleeds into theirs, you know? Yeah. Like, I find myself using like, like, you know, a similar kick on like several different artists songs, you know, it's like, hey, you know, I'm defining myself through them too. Cause like, man, and eventually I want people to be like, Yo man, that sounds like an Austin Kick. <laugh> <laugh>. Yeah. Joey kind of does the same thing, man. Like, he has like a, you know, his big thud snare. Yep. You know, it's like boom. You know, it's like, oh yeah. You know, that's a, that's a Joey Moist snare, you know? Yeah. That's kind of like a part of, like a part of like, you know, giving yourself your own identity too. Sure. Your artistry Right. Through your art, through the artist that you produce. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:39:18 So Joey, man, he's, again, I don't get to see him too, too much, but the time I've got to spend with him has been awesome. Yeah. And just like hearing his brain work, he's, he's a very, very smart guy. He's also like one of the best hangs ever. Yeah. He's like, he's just super cool. Like, when we first chatted, we just chatted about like music and just like, you know, his nickelback stuff and like, you know what I mean? And then the country things and, but he's super humble and he pays a lot of attention to like, what's happening. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? And like kind of, I think that's part of what makes him so successful is he's been paying attention to what's happening in music or what's starting to happen and it gets ahead of that curve. Totally. Speaker 3 00:39:59 You know what I mean? Totally. Um, Speaker 2 00:40:00 Which I think is like, it's, there's two roads, right? You either make something that's going down the path and you take it to a whole nother level. So you take it from like, these people are doing it a six, let me crank that up to like an eight or not. Absolutely. You Speaker 3 00:40:13 Know? Speaker 2 00:40:13 Absolutely. And I think that's one of the things that he has done so well. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> is like, Hey, this is what's happening. Let me take it and make it even freaking cooler. Absolutely. You know? Speaker 3 00:40:22 Totally. Speaker 2 00:40:22 It's super inspiring. And like you said, like when you hear Joey Moist songs, you know, they're Joey Moist songs often. Yeah. You know, not always, but a lot of times Speaker 3 00:40:30 You do. And that was funny that, you know, that's, that's funny. I feel like we have a lot of like, uh, similar colleagues, you know? Yeah. Cause nickel back's with the core now. Yeah. Yeah. And then Chief's, my manager used to be able to be loud. Yeah. Um, but, um, but yeah, it's just like, yeah. It's just part of creating, you create, you create your artist's identity and then like you kind of create your own, like through them too. They're just like, they're like the messenger. Yeah. You know what I mean? Speaker 2 00:40:53 As a songwriter. So like, what are like some of the songs that you have like fell most in love with that like, are songs you wish you wrote kind of thing, Speaker 3 00:41:02 Man. Speaker 2 00:41:03 And it doesn't have to just be country, it can be whatever, man. I know. I wish I wrote some of these Bailey songs that Speaker 3 00:41:08 Are coming out. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:41:10 Teaching's. True. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:41:13 Man, that's a, that's a good question. I feel like some of like the phrase stuff like the, some of the early songs that I like grew up listening to, which is like, you know, I grew up listening to The Fray. I grew up listening to, um, Keith Urban and I grew up listening to like, even like Slipknot, you know? Yeah. Like, you know, I, some of those songs, band I would like, I would, would die to like listen to like, like or have written on. Yeah. And like, and have created and just been in the room, like creating them, seeing what they, what they went through. You know what I mean? I used to listen to the song called, uh, called Before I forget, you know, by slipping on. And it was like, man, I used to see it on head, the head bangers ball, like whatever it was. And I was like, man, I wish I wrote that song. And then I listened to How To Save a Life, you know, by Afraid. I'm like, Wow, What smash? What a smash dude. Like that guy must have been just, just going at it, you know, that day. And then I listened to like, you know, Keith Urbans, that, you know, that, that Golden Road record. And I'm like, Dude, how do you come up with all this like, shit <laugh> Speaker 2 00:42:08 Super cool. Speaker 3 00:42:09 So it's, it's cool to like, that's Speaker 1 00:42:11 A, Well that's a, a nice wide base that you have. Absolutely. Speaker 3 00:42:14 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've, I listened to everything. Yeah. You know what I mean? Cause I don't, I don't just wanna produce country for the rest of my life, you know what I mean? I wanna keep up with everything and I wanna do crossover too, you know, like crossover and do collabs and stuff. That's why, you know, I wanna do that post Postie thing. Yeah. <laugh>. That'd be sick. I wanted to a, Speaker 1 00:42:29 Well I played a song at your studio probably two months ago that was like a Spanish song, Like a Spanish dance song. Yeah. Played play steel guitar on it. Speaker 3 00:42:38 Yeah. That was Speaker 1 00:42:39 Fun. Yeah. It was like kind of dance and Speaker 3 00:42:41 Yeah, it was like Agathon country. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:42:44 Rga. Speaker 3 00:42:45 Yeah. I'd like to do some of that. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna cloud Speaker 1 00:42:48 Rowdy <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:42:51 I wanna collab with this guy. His name's Bad Bunny. You ever heard of him? Yeah. No. Speaker 2 00:42:55 Just online. But Speaker 3 00:42:56 Man, talented guy. Have Speaker 2 00:42:58 Checked him out or like DMed him or anything? Speaker 3 00:43:00 No, no. I mean, obviously he, he wouldn't see my dm <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:43:04 You don't have that blue check market Speaker 3 00:43:06 <laugh>. I mean, we're working on it. Tell Chief to figure that out. Yeah, yeah. Fix, Get on it, bro. Yeah, dude. Yeah. No, I want to collab, like, like do stuff like that too. Crossover. Speaker 2 00:43:14 That's like one of the cool things that like Joey gets to do with the Hsta brand. That's like what I do for Big Loud Yeah. Is uh, like help run socials and stuff for Hicks Tape. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so I think that's a super cool thing cuz it's like two or three artists on every track. Yeah. And like, there's been Rock ones on each one and I don't, I don't have no idea like, on the music side, but like, it'd be super cool if they had like poster or someone or like Oh yeah. You know, in there it's different. I can tell you the people on social media that they say they want to see on there the most is like, cos someone post Malone. Yeah. On a Hsta. You know what I mean? That would be badass. Yeah. We'll get Bailey on that track too then. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:43:49 Yeah. <laugh>. Oh yeah. I'm holding you to it. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:52 If, if I had anything to do with it Speaker 3 00:43:55 For Speaker 1 00:43:55 Sure. Then you and Joey could hang finally. Speaker 3 00:43:57 Oh yeah. Dude. Me and cla. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:43:59 Have me play Make a Smash. Speaker 3 00:44:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well make a smash, dude. Speaker 2 00:44:03 He'd be sick. Yeah. It's, it's so cool. Like, one, one thing I can tell you is he is working all the time. Yeah. The Mount, If you just think about it like with just big, loud, like, all those artists are all tracking with him pretty much, right? Yeah. So like, we get studio updates of like, who's in the studio? And I'm like, Damn, Joey's working his butt off. Oh Speaker 3 00:44:23 Yeah, dude. Totally. Speaker 2 00:44:24 He's one of the hardest working guys. It's, it's nuts to see that. And that's why he's been at the top of that producer chart for so long. Yeah. Because he's is working his Speaker 3 00:44:31 Butt. Oh no man. I'm honor Speaker 1 00:44:32 Until Austin came by, right? Speaker 3 00:44:33 <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. I'm honored dude. I'm honored. I'm grateful Speaker 1 00:44:36 To me. Tell, Can you tell us about that chart? Cause I, I saw it. Is it just by streams or Speaker 3 00:44:40 Is it, So it's purely by like, it's purely by metric. Yeah. Purely by metrics, by like radio streams, Uh, sales. It's just all numbers, man. And whoever's the most, you're number one <laugh> or two or three or four. Speaker 1 00:44:51 Yeah. Yeah. So what have you put out that as put you on that Speaker 3 00:44:55 List? All of Bailey stuff. Yeah. Yeah. All of Bailey stuff. Rocking a hard place. Fall in love where it ends and never leave. Speaker 2 00:45:00 They're just blowing Speaker 3 00:45:01 Up. They're just blowing up. Yeah. Yeah. I think we did like, I think it's like something crazy. It's like he's streamed like 28 or 30 million in a week, or that's just what he is doing or something like that. Bonkers. Speaker 2 00:45:11 Yeah. Dude, it's so funny too. Like, I look at like the viral charts, you know what I mean? To see like Yeah. Like things that they say are popping or if you look on like TikTok to see like what's trending and like, there's no country music on there except like Bailey and then Morgan. Morgan <laugh>. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:45:26 Exactly. Me and Joey baby. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:45:27 It's like, but that's it. It's like, those are the, the two things that are consistent. Yeah. You know, it's like the Bailey songs are on there. Yeah. And then the Morgan songs are on there, <laugh>. And then like, you'll sprinkle in a few other things, like a little Jordan Davis or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. That Dutton Ranch, if you call that country David. Speaker 3 00:45:42 Yeah. Yeah. David's a cool guy, man. I was gonna mix, uh, some David stuff. I don't know, stuff might still happen in the future. I guess we have to, We haven't talked in a while, but that's awesome. He's a great guy, man. I, Speaker 2 00:45:50 Yeah. Yeah. His stuff like, again, it's like, that stuff went viral on TikTok and then it blew him up from Speaker 3 00:45:56 There. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And that's funny. It's like everything we're talking about, it's like everything came from the internet. Yeah. And my whole career is from like, I mean, not whole, you know, like the, the, you know, the uh, learning part, but like everything else, like, it's all from the internet, you know, like Yeah. Like Bailey would be nothing with, you know. Oh yeah. You know? Yeah. No artist Speaker 1 00:46:14 Would, Speaker 3 00:46:14 He would've never no Speaker 2 00:46:15 Artist. Right? Like, would he have even moved here? Who knows? You know what Speaker 3 00:46:17 I mean? Without like, never coming home going crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just like, and he was like, he was, he's just like, um, a kid that was born with like a God given talent, you know? He never went and studied like music. He never like did anything like, you know, he wasn't going out playing writer's rounds or grinding, you know, he just like started singing and then he has this God-given voice, dude that's just like vibey. And that's what I tell every artist. I'm like, Listen man, like, you gotta sing with your heart. You gotta sing with like, with passion and like your, the tamber in your voice and the grit or the, the emotion is what's important. It doesn't matter if you can hit the highest note, you know, on the piano roll. Right. You know, it doesn't matter if you're number one on American nine tomorrow. What matters is if like, someone can feel your words through your, through when you sing into that mic, you know, when you sing. So it's like, I don't care if you can hit the note, I don't care any of that. I don't care about any of that. I care about, you know, how, you know, you're, how how it comes out on the record and like the, the emotion that's that comes through. That's awesome. Like, so Speaker 1 00:47:17 Hell yeah, Speaker 2 00:47:18 Man. Yeah. Funny story. Um, Bailey, so we like reached out to like the core. We had been buddies with like Nate Smith a little through like some friends. And, uh, Bailey played our writers round that Kurt takes photos at. And I host Rowdy On The Row, which we do at Live Oak like two times a month. His Speaker 3 00:47:34 First show Speaker 2 00:47:34 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:47:35 <laugh>. That was with me, I think. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:47:37 That was nuts, wasn't it? Speaker 1 00:47:38 Yeah. So Nick came up to me and he was like, Bailey said to Nick, like, Hey, this is like my first time. And Nick was like, Oh, playing a writer's round. He's like, No. Like my first time playing a show Speaker 3 00:47:50 <laugh> so nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Well he had, he had texted me I think like the week before and he was like, Hey man, uh, are you down to play this writers around with me? I was like, Yeah, sure. He's like, Yeah, you're, you're pretty much the only one that knows my songs. <laugh>. <laugh> so crazy. I was like, Yeah, sure. And he is like, Yeah, it'll be my first show too ever. Speaker 2 00:48:08 So nuts. Speaker 1 00:48:09 Right. And it's like now you can just, you can find guitar tabs for Bailey songs online. Speaker 2 00:48:13 <laugh>. Well that's like, that's the Nuts thing. And it wasn't too long after that that he played Rock the South Speaker 1 00:48:18 And that was the, his first full band show and it was on a festival opening for Luke Combs. Right. Speaker 3 00:48:23 Yeah. I was about to say you guys were down in Speaker 2 00:48:25 Alabama. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That was nuts. So I was, I got to see his first ever live performance kind of, I guess. Speaker 3 00:48:30 Yeah. Full band, Speaker 2 00:48:31 You know. Yeah. And then, then I was at Rock the South too, so I got to see that first full band set too. Mm-hmm. Which is nuts. Speaker 1 00:48:36 I remember I had a photo shoot that day. I was, uh, photographing some of like Luke's merch and we had a set up and you know, the models came in wearing the clothes. And I was listening to Bailey play while I was doing the shoot and I was like, Is he, is he playing Nickelback right now? <laugh>? And they were like, Yes. Like he covered a Nickelback song in his first Speaker 2 00:48:54 Show. So Sick. Yeah. I love that. Um, we're doing the night we're calling Nothing but Rock Night on October 9th. Oh hell yeah. And it's gonna be like all like 2005 Rock, like Creed Nickelback either Speaker 3 00:49:07 With arms wide open. Yes. Absolutely. S apparently Speaker 2 00:49:12 It's gonna be super sick. I was like damning Scott Step trying to get him to come play it. <laugh>. Yes. Speaker 1 00:49:18 I was at a hockey game and he's sang Speaker 2 00:49:20 Recently. I know. I'm like, We'll pay you a couple hundred Speaker 3 00:49:22 Bucks. I'll come out and I'll just do like a Scott step interpretation if that counts <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:49:26 Honestly. So that's what we're doing. So like we're, uh, we're having like a writers around to start just like one for an hour. Yeah. And then we're having like 10 to 12 songs, full band. We have our buddies that are like, are like play down on Broadway and our all singer songwriters too. Nice. So we're gonna have them play full band, like 10 or 12 songs and each artist is gonna sing one song with them. That is great. Which is sick. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:49:48 That sounds like fun. Speaker 2 00:49:49 And then we're gonna have two hours of regular butt rock karaoke after Yes. With just the karaoke track, you know. Oh my Speaker 3 00:49:55 Gosh. Dude Kryptonite. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:49:57 Dude, dude. Yes. That's one of the first songs I learn on it's guitar. Speaker 2 00:49:59 But yeah, you're in time. You gotta come to that. Oh, I will. Speaker 3 00:50:01 I'll be there. Call me in Speaker 2 00:50:02 October 9th. Speaker 3 00:50:03 I'm Speaker 1 00:50:04 In, Dude, I bet the crowd gets good and drunk. And rowdy. Yeah. I hope Speaker 3 00:50:08 The crowd will get raised rowdy. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:50:10 I hope it goes well. I think it will. We're doing it as a collaboration with In The Round, which is Matt Bell's round. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, which is another great podcast. That's our podcast as well. Is writers around that's hosted at Live Oak. Speaker 3 00:50:21 Yeah, yeah, Speaker 2 00:50:22 Yeah. I'm stoked. Every other event that we've done together has been like an absolute smash. So I imagine this will be take Speaker 3 00:50:27 Oh my gosh, that's gonna be a big one. Yeah, yeah, Speaker 2 00:50:29 For sure. I think it's Speaker 1 00:50:30 Gonna be great. Um, so, but Bailey's record's coming out soon, right? Speaker 3 00:50:34 Yeah. The eps coming out, um, uh, October 14, so sick. Yeah. October. So in about two and a half weeks. Two weeks roughly. Speaker 1 00:50:43 Yeah. Is it done? Speaker 3 00:50:44 It's done. Speaker 1 00:50:45 Cause I know you called me the other day and you were like, Help, I need a fiddle player. This, you know, I, who, you know, so I gave you some names or whatever. Speaker 3 00:50:52 Oh my gosh. Yeah. Janine crushed it. Yeah. Or Jana. Speaker 1 00:50:55 Yeah. Jana Flinger. Speaker 3 00:50:56 Jana Janine Janer. Yeah. Um, she is, she is amazing dude. But it's funny, they released, like, some of the titles we had, we hadn't finished it, you know, but we just, we just wanted to, you know, get it out there and stuff. Uh, we knew we were gonna finish it, but um, we released it and some of the songs weren't even like, like we hadn't even written yet. Oh. Like, like fully, you know, we had started 'em, you know, some our, there a song called House on Fire, you know, we hadn't even like finished it, but we're like, Screw it bro. You know? And so like, literally like, you know, that's Speaker 1 00:51:22 Like a Babe Bruce calling your shot kind of Speaker 3 00:51:24 Thing. Yeah. It like forced you to write that title, you know, it's like you can't change it. So <laugh> it was cool, man. It was, Yeah man, we, yeah, we wrapped it up. Um, I literally turned it in, um, Friday. Speaker 1 00:51:35 Is it seven songs? Speaker 3 00:51:36 It's actually, um, it's technically eight songs and an intro. Cool. So an EP can be as many songs as you like, as long as it's under 30 minutes. Speaker 1 00:51:47 Okay, cool. Okay. Speaker 2 00:51:48 Oh, so that's a distinction. Speaker 3 00:51:50 Yes. Yeah. So you could have like 15 songs on there if you wanted to. As long as it's under 30 minutes. Speaker 2 00:51:54 Yeah. That's neat. I didn't know that. And then after that, it's just considered an album Speaker 3 00:51:58 Then after that. Yeah, it's just an album. Yeah. But I think it has to be like, more than four songs, I believe. Okay. Like, to be like an actual album, I think. Don't quote me on that. Speaker 2 00:52:08 Something like that. Yeah. That's interesting stuff. I always wondered that cuz like, honestly, like in the razor rowdy world, like, we talk a lot about like up and coming acts and so like for an up and coming act to me, like when they put up that ep Yeah. It's Speaker 3 00:52:20 Like, Speaker 2 00:52:20 Okay, this is like when you start to get their sound right. Yeah. At least in my head, you know, like, okay, you're getting a good idea of like what their songwriting sounds like. Yeah. Or the songs are cutting at least. And then like what's their sound? Yeah. So I love eps because it's like, usually it's someone new or it's like a different sound for someone that's been around. Yep. You know, so it's like, and you're just getting like a stamp in time of like what they have been doing or writing, you know? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:52:47 Yeah. And it's, it's cool It, we put out a lot of singles. We put out like, uh, four singles I think. Yeah. Well, five including Change, which won't be on the record, but we've put out, you know, good amount Speaker 1 00:52:57 Of singles. That's the piano ball one. Speaker 3 00:52:58 Yeah. So like half the half the album's already out there in the world. Right. So technically in the, in the grand scheme of things that, that the ep, you know, from someone in the out world that's never outside world, that's never heard of Bailey, you know, and just sees this ep, they're gonna say, Wow, this eps done really well. <laugh> just based off of the single million. Speaker 2 00:53:15 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:53:15 <laugh>. Yeah. Well I was actually gonna ask you this earlier, but how many of the songs that are about to come out that haven't come out yet? Cuz the EP hasn't, the songs you're Out, how many of them are gold or, Speaker 3 00:53:27 So Fall in Love is gold, uh, rock and a Hard Place is Gold. Uh, Fall in Love. Uh, both of them are actually gold in platinum, I believe. Yeah. I believe Crazy Rock and Hard Place is is Speaker 1 00:53:37 Did I play bass on a song that's Platinum <laugh>? Yeah. That is weird. Yeah, that's weird to me. Speaker 3 00:53:41 Yeah, I think Rock and a Hard Place is either, it's, it's definitely gold, but it's, it's either platinum or about to be Platinum. I mean, it's definitely gonna be platinum, you know what I mean? Um, where it ends, uh, I think it, it will be gold probably pretty soon. So that's Speaker 1 00:53:55 Bonker, Speaker 3 00:53:55 But yeah. Yeah. So I mean, we probably from just the record and we probably have like right now, like close to five plaques, <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:54:04 So Nuts Cheap, something like that. Um, there's a song that I don't know if it's on there. Is fixing a Break gonna be on there? Or is that Speaker 3 00:54:11 No, it Speaker 1 00:54:11 Won't be. Okay. That's a, Do we have to cut this part outta the podcast or what? Speaker 3 00:54:15 No, but that, that song will be, Speaker 1 00:54:16 That's a good one. Speaker 3 00:54:17 That's that's a good one. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:54:19 Yeah. That's a song that I played on and it's a hammer, it's a Magnum smash for sure. So he's got 'em in the pipe for, for the people. Speaker 3 00:54:26 Yeah. We're, we're already working on the, we already have like, you know, three Yeah. We already have a good nine or 10 songs like Ready. We we're trying to gear up. I mean, we're trying to, man, we're trying to write like 30 songs in the next two months. <laugh> that's awesome. But, um, but yeah, I mean, we have, we have some down the pipeline. Yeah. I mean, this is only the start man. Yeah, that's, it's exactly. These are only the start. Like these are only like the start of the, of what everyone's yet to hear, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's the foundation which you build up on. Yeah. Yeah. And now everything is just an evolution of, of this, you know, fall in love rocking our place. If you wanna hear a 2.0 version of those, like a, a built on version, then, you know, the next record or next singles, you know, will be like that exactly what that is. But it's like, you know, that's a testament too, you know, if you, if you find your lane, like there's no reason to deviate from it. Yeah. You just stay in your lane. Yeah. You know, that's what people give the people what they want mm-hmm. Speaker 1 00:55:14 <affirmative> and then they say, Well this is what was on the last record. And Speaker 3 00:55:18 You're like, Yep. But then they all have Speaker 1 00:55:19 30 million streams and then <laugh>. Yeah, true. Yeah. Um, I just know, like with Luke stuff, like my uncle was like, I was reading reviews on the Luke's new record and it was, they were all either really good or saying, this sounds like his other records. And it's like, well listen, listen to any other records, they're great. Yeah. It's like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you're don't at some point. Speaker 3 00:55:38 That's Yeah, totally. Totally. But if you ask any fan, you know, it's like, or any true like person, you know, any true like fan that wants, that listens to all the records and all the previous stuff, it's like, I mean, they have nothing to say about that. They're like, Wow, this is, this is badass. Yeah. I mean, this is what I wanna hear, you know? Yep. Speaker 1 00:55:53 They're all singing 'em live, I'll tell you that much. Right, dude. Speaker 3 00:55:55 Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's super cool. And then you can, you can subtly, you know, evolve that mm-hmm. <affirmative> sound and do different stuff and kind of go outta the box. And then it's kind of like you have that frame that agreed upon frame, you know, and then you just kind of like, you can add a little bit more, you know, the perimeter can, can widen a little bit and then you just start coloring a little bit around it more and more and more and more. Eventually you're, you're just, every album is a little bit different slowly, but it's still you, you know? Yeah. It's just your, your evolved version of yourself, you know, I feel like an artist grows as, as he grow as a person too. You know, you're not gonna be the same person you were 10 years ago, you know, so not even close. And then, and then music isn't even gonna be the same thing that it was 10 years ago. You know? So, so you slowly have to just continue to progress, like with the time and with, and with yourself too, Speaker 2 00:56:39 With, with the success that you've seen, like, or your dms just blown up with artists trying to work with you. Speaker 3 00:56:45 Oh yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Um, Speaker 1 00:56:48 You told me something recently, I'm not gonna call 'em out on the podcast here, but you were like, Hey, do you know this person? I'm like, Obviously I do <laugh>. Well, they wanna ride with me. I'm like, that's fucking cool, <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:57:00 Yeah. Uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's wild. Yeah, of course. I mean, everybody wants to, wants to get in, you know, and work. But see my thing is like, you know, I wanna, I want to take on, I wanna have, you know, the three albums a year or something. Like I, I have my artists, you know, that are like, Yeah, my biggest, I would rather work with three artists that are like the, the household names. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, and, and just like put my all into them then record, you know, a million. Right. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> then just like, just be all over the place. So, you know, I'm really starting to narrow down like my camp, you know, and Speaker 1 00:57:29 Like quality over quantity, Speaker 3 00:57:30 Right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and I don't really, I don't really look at it like that. I look at it as like, Hey, this is like your, you're putting your life, you're putting your, your sound, you're putting everything into it. So it's like, you know, you, you gotta have the time to do that. I mean, I take, sometimes I take forever on mixes. I'll, like, I get 90% of the way there and then I'm, you know, just, I'll sit on it for a week and then I'll listen back to it. I'm like, Yeah, I gotta go back. And then I go back and then I sit on it for another couple weeks and then I go back. And it's just that, that process of going back and forth and having that time to do that, you know? Yeah. And like, and then going back with and forth with the artist too, with, you know, and Hey, let's have this part, Hey lemme come and resing that. Speaker 3 00:58:06 Hey man, I don't feel like, I feel like we need to change that. You know, like that chord or like, maybe we need to change that lyric. And like, just having the freedom to do that and having the freedom to kind of go through that process of like developing. It's like, it's cool. It's cool. Yeah. And like if, if you, if you do that and you go through that month law process and you finish record and then you're onto the next record, Hey man, half the year's already gone by <laugh>. Yeah. You know what I mean? Speaker 2 00:58:26 Well, especially cuz you're doing more than a normal producer, Right? Like, you're writing, so you're like, again, like you're really helping create that from the ground up. So the song and then from the song you're helping with the melodies and, and then you're producing it out. So it's super interesting. That's not, I don't think there's a lot of producers that are like that, which is super Speaker 1 00:58:46 Cool. Well we did have one on, which is, uh, Mike the moon Pies, their manager was also their producer and also their songwriting collaborator. Speaker 3 00:58:54 Oh, is that right? Speaker 1 00:58:55 Yeah. So I don't know if he's mastering this, the songs or not, but, so it's not unheard of but is extremely rare I would say. Speaker 3 00:59:02 Yeah. And a lot of the times too, you know, cuz like I said, ever since I first started, you know, I was like, I'm always thinking big picture too. Yeah. So smart. I end up sometimes becoming a writer on the song because I'm like, Hey man, like we need to change that line, man. Every, every other line is rock solid, but we gotta change that. And hey, we need to, we need to add this back after the chorus because it just needs it, you know, or we need to add an extra bar here or whatever. And so I'm like, this is what's gonna make the song better. Like, and, and like, if you're down and you're in, I'm in. You know, like, yeah, let's, let's go. Let's go. Go for it. You know? It doesn't matter who gets what credit. It's like, okay, what's, what's, what's the end goal here? Speaker 3 00:59:37 You know? And so a lot of the times I end up being a writer because of that. Because I'm like, because of that honesty, you know, I'm not just like, you know, I could be like pounding my head like all day long and being like, man, I hate that line, but I love everything else about the song, but it's his song so I'm not gonna, they wrote it, you know, But, um, but, uh, but no, I'm gonna be honest, you know, and I'm gonna say, Dude, you need to get that out of here <laugh>. We need to change that. Yeah. Because that could be the difference. The small, the subtle things could be a difference between like, you know, f you know, thousand streams and a hundred million streams. Honestly, honestly. Like it's, it's a difference between a small time song or, or a big hip. Yeah. Makes sense. The details, you know, Speaker 1 01:00:17 Crazy man, what a time to be alive. Speaker 2 01:00:21 <laugh>. It is man. And I think like, just like recapping some of the things you talked about, it's like the hard work you put in from the ground level, right? Yeah. So like those sitting there when you're 19 and messaging 50 people a day trying to get more, right? Speaker 3 01:00:34 Yeah. Yeah. Just trying to meet people, just trying to like work, you know? Speaker 2 01:00:36 And then grassroots man, like you said, like you helping or producing or writing with one person leads you to the next Yeah. And it's like, be a good person in those rooms. Be creative and productive. You know, learn your craft. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then that led you to where you're freaking are now, man. Yeah. Which is skyrocketing to the moon, which I love CD Speaker 1 01:00:55 Sure. Speaker 3 01:00:55 Hell yeah, dude. Planting the seeds. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:00:57 Yeah. I love that man. Speaker 1 01:00:58 It's Team Iba. I appreciate that. <laugh>. Speaker 2 01:01:04 But it's, it's been super cool talking to you. We haven't done too many of these with producers, so we just did one with Jonathan Singleton, who's like a songwriter and Speaker 3 01:01:13 Producer. Oh yeah. Legend dude. Yeah. Love all his stuff. Gee man. Most never many. Speaker 2 01:01:18 So good. And uh, so it's, it's definitely, it's cool because we've had like a few other producers on like earlier, but it's definitely a different thing, like your mind and just getting to hear like your process and the big picture stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Has been super cool. Speaker 3 01:01:33 Yeah. I'm uh, I guess a little bit unorthodox. I love that though. Kind of, but that's what it's about. Yeah. It's how Speaker 2 01:01:39 I grew up. I guess. There's no right way. It's, Speaker 3 01:01:40 It's no right way. Yeah. At all The wrong way is the right way to be honest man. Speaker 2 01:01:44 It's, it's what works for you and what works in the environment you put it out in man. Totally. Speaker 1 01:01:48 Well I hope this inspired some, uh, future producers. Yeah, for sure. Maybe uh, Austin Junior will be mixing special audio in the Metaverse Speaker 3 01:01:59 <laugh>. Oh man. Yeah. Collecting Bitcoin sounds Speaker 2 01:02:03 <laugh>. I'm just gonna be eating an edible and watching that happen out. Speaker 4 01:02:05 Yeah, same. Speaker 2 01:02:08 Oh man. Well dude, it's been so Speaker 1 01:02:10 Picture coming Speaker 2 01:02:11 On man. Yeah, Kurt told me about this and I was super stoked about it. Yeah. Yeah. For just cuz it is like different than some of the stuff we do, so. Speaker 3 01:02:17 Oh Speaker 2 01:02:18 Yeah. It's been super, super informative too, man. Yeah. I appreciate that. Speaker 3 01:02:20 Sure. Thank you guys for having Speaker 2 01:02:22 Meely man. And thanks for playing our writers around when you played with uh, show. Yeah. That's so crazy. I Speaker 3 01:02:28 Gotta do it. We gotta do a reunion. Let's do Speaker 2 01:02:29 It. Speaker 1 01:02:30 You said that you were retiring from guitar after that night. Speaker 3 01:02:32 Yeah. You know, sometimes you come outta retirement for like a day and then you back Speaker 2 01:02:36 <laugh>. Yeah, yeah. You signed that one day contract Speaker 1 01:02:39 For Butt Rock Night. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:02:40 <laugh> the one day contract that rowdy on the road for Butt Rock Night Speaker 3 01:02:44 <laugh>. Is everybody wearing like Halloween outfits for that? Dude? Speaker 2 01:02:48 I'll have a Nickelback hockey jersey that I'm wearing. Oh my gosh. Oh Speaker 3 01:02:51 Dude. So I gotta dress up too then. Speaker 2 01:02:52 Yeah, well yeah, we, we'll show you. I mean you gotta get, I got a Creed t-shirt, I bought a three doors down hoodie. I bought two Nickelback jerseys that are my size and then I bought two Nickelback jerseys that are not my size. Oh my goodness. We're gonna outfit the folks. Dude, we're we're going all in for this. Okay. We were really uh, spatially audioed at Key West Songwriters Fest Speaker 0 01:03:12 <laugh>, I'm using that for now. Speaker 3 01:03:15 We were spatial bro, Speaker 2 01:03:18 Key West songwriters Best and I think Matt Burrell's idea, but our buddy Brian Frazier is like the butt rock king. Yeah. Um, on like TikTok. He's not that his videos do well but he keeps doing 'em cuz it's amazing <laugh> some of 'em do well, but Speaker 1 01:03:32 Shout out to Brian man. Speaker 2 01:03:33 We uh, we made that like idea happen and we've just actually made it happen, which is super cool. Yeah. Our buddies Dean and Mikey who are like great musicians, they were playing with Tyler Braden. Yeah. And now they're actually playing like on Broadway. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, they got off the road to do that and they're like, you know, producing and writing and stuff too. They're like trying to do that whole thing where it's like being their own boss, you know? So. Yeah. Uh, they're doing it with us and they're great musicians so I'm stoked. I think that'll be a dope night. Speaker 1 01:04:01 Hell yeah. All right buddy. Well thanks for coming on man. Appreciate your time so much. Thank Speaker 2 01:04:06 You for Yeah man, it's been great. I'm sorry I didn't have more good vegan food out here, but we'll have to go eat vegan food soon. Yeah. I eat vegan food with Kurt all the time cuz it just tastes as good as regular food. Hell right. <laugh>. Well I'm Nicki T I'm Speaker 1 01:04:18 Kurton Speaker 2 01:04:18 And we'll see the front row. Speaker 0 01:04:20 It's is where you're, that character's in the good No ain't it On your heart. Oh yeah. Inside of you, you out on a Friday night People things just Right. It's called Raised Round.