Episode 127 - Jonathan Singleton

Speaker 0 00:00:04 It's just, it's called Race. Speaker 1 00:00:26 Jonathan Singleton. Welcome to the Race Rowdy Podcast, man. This is awesome. Happy over here. Yeah, thank you guys. Um, I guess, did you text Nick and said, Hey, I wanna do a podcast, or No, Speaker 2 00:00:34 I talked him into it. Speaker 1 00:00:35 Oh, really? Cool. Well, Speaker 3 00:00:36 I mean, I, he wasn't talking into it. I was like, yes, I would love to do that. I think what I did was just forwarded him, uh, which is how I release records. Uh, I just forwarded him a, uh, a, a Dropbox link. Speaker 1 00:00:47 Yeah. That's how I release. I love it. It's great. Yeah. <laugh>, it's like, definitely like how, like you have your finger on the pulses of like, what's going on in town. Cause like a lot of country music is moving that way. I feel like Right. That there's like, for everyone that doesn't know it's a pop punk EP that you've put out of covers. Speaker 3 00:01:04 Right, right, right, right. Speaker 2 00:01:06 Yeah, there's, there's definitely elements of that that is sneaking into country music in the last few years. Speaker 3 00:01:10 Sure. So it's kinda cool. And, and also in my situation too, it's like I have another EP that i's been waiting to put out, but there's never a time when I'm not working on somebody else's record. Yeah. And it feels so weird. And like, uh, like I'm jumping on the bandwagon of them. It's like, if you like their record, you'll like mine too. <laugh>. So I, it's like, haven't put it, put it out. And, uh, and when I, I did this, I happened to do that Bobby Bones, uh, podcast, and he played it on the air and I was like, okay, I guess I'm putting this thing out. I, it's official. I haven't, I haven't done it yet, but I got this guitar right here, this Steve Levi guitar think. And then I had my, uh, Marshall Jcm 800, and there was some new things on drums that I wanted to mess with. So I just kind of used it as a tool of like a learning tool, uh, to, to do a few things that I wanted to do. And then, yes, I would love if I could just, I keep going. Like, can I just release records if I just get on my email? S I start on a and I just Dropbox link everybody <laugh>. Yeah. And, and do that feels like way better to me than, than than actually putting it out and it feeling like you're doing something. You Speaker 1 00:02:16 Don't have to pay a publicist. Yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:02:17 No. Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>, that'd be tough with a publicist anyway, I think. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:02:22 The, the song selection is so funny cuz a lot of it is from like, songs from when I first moved to town. Like, it's like 2015 ish, you know, it's not like Country Gold from like the sixties or something like that. It's like, I Drive your truck. Right, right. Which was, when did that go number 1, 20 14 ish. I'm so, I'm just guessing. Yeah. It's pretty The Mad and Tay first hit song. Right. So that was probably 2015. It's like, and then of course the cruise was like 2012, so it's like 2012 Right. From a, they all seem to be from this like specific period and Speaker 2 00:02:52 Chicken fried, which is even earlier. Speaker 3 00:02:54 Sure. Well, I think too that, that the only reason that the Luke song is on there is because I thought it would be very funny to do that. I think it's great. Yeah. Um, the reason those are that way is because I had been thinking about, uh, doing that record for so long. Uh, there's a band called Me First in the Gimme Gimmes. Yes. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:03:14 Okay. I was gonna talk about them Speaker 3 00:03:15 For sure. And, uh, and we, when we, when we had a record deal, that was our opening song, that's what we came out to, was like, me, first thing, gimme Gimme it would be eastbound and down or whatever song. It was. Like, that's my literally one of my favorite records for a lot of reasons that I'd love to talk about. Uh, but I love punk music, but also it doesn't feel like I'm working if I listen to the, that on the way Home, you know how we do, we listen to music all day long. Yes. Every day. There's a few things. There's like nineties rap and, and and punk music that I can listen to on the way home that I don't feel like I'm trying to figure out the core progression or why they did this or why they did that or whatever. Nonetheless ran off sort of thing way from way back from listening to that Me First and Gimme, gimme His Record. Speaker 3 00:03:59 Uh, I wanted to do, I wanted to do that. So that's the song selection started way back. I mean, cruise is like, set up for that. Oh yeah. For, and I was like, that was the first thought ever. It's like, okay. When that song came out, I was like, okay, that's a great song. But also it would be a great, it would make a great punk song. Yeah. So I was more excited about that song for that reason than anything else. Uh, so when I finally dove into it, that's why those songs are kind of the older songs and also just big classic country songs. Yeah. Because that me First in Gimme Gimmes record was also that way. Like, it was very exciting that you, as soon as they start singing, you're like, oh yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I know that song. Uh, and Manny and Tay, the song, I just thought it'd be really funny if I did Girl Country Song. It is super, yeah. It's not funny. I mean, it's kind of funny that you're doing it, but it's also very serious in, in a way of that like, um, I mean, I, I, I took time and made sure I wasn't making fun of anything. I talked to songwriters, I talked to Maddie and Tay. I was like, Hey, this is not weird. Right. And they were like, I sent it to Maddie and she thought it was the greatest thing ever. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:05:06 It's incredible. It's so funny. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:05:08 It was, it was real fun to do those things. But that's probably why those songs are, are the older songs. Speaker 1 00:05:14 I saw me first thing giving me, giving his that Warp tour probably 2004. And cuz like we used to cover their covers, if, if that makes any sense. Right. My high school band Cover 'em in that stuff. Yeah. We played like fan with the opera cover, like dinner internet and, um, fat Mike looked out in the crowd and saw my mom and blew her a kiss. Speaker 3 00:05:34 That's awesome. <laugh>. That's Speaker 1 00:05:36 Awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that guy's a legend. Speaker 3 00:05:39 When we did, there was a thing called the Country Throwdown Tour, if y'all remember that. It was years and years ago mm-hmm. <affirmative> years ago. So Kevin Lyman and, and Sarah Bear and a few other people. There was like four or five people that ran that whole thing. And it was, uh, the, the guys that started Warp Tour and they did Metal Mayhem Tour and they did Country Throwdown Tour was the thing they had did. So the the neat thing about Country Throwdown Tour is they would have this, uh, like barbecue band that would come play before. And at that time, Florida, Georgia Lime was the barbecue band. So they'd play at one o'clock and they would cook burgers for everybody. They would do all these things. And, but when we played it that year, I think we were probably third or fourth in the day of starting Tyler Reeve was the Barbecue Ramp band. Speaker 3 00:06:27 And then Emily West played and Heidi Newfield and us. And, but at night at the Barbecue things, Kevin thought it was so neat that I knew all these punk songs. And it was the same guys, uh, the same road guys that were on the Warp Tour and the Metal Mayhem tour that were on Country Throwdown tour. So he was like, Hey Nick, will you come play like some punk songs just like acoustic and do 'em, like country songs? And I was like, yeah. So I did the opposite of that <laugh> during the barbecue things at the Things. And those guys like thought it was the neatest thing that I even knew any punk song whatsoever. <laugh>. So I would do no effect songs and I'd do circle jerk songs and queer songs at the mm-hmm. <affirmative> in the, in the, in the Barbecue thing. And they would come up and like, ask me if I knew songs. And, and uh, that's a pretty neat, pretty neat kind of fun. Hell, that's super cool. That's Yeah. Unreal. Speaker 2 00:07:17 I think it's cool too, like the song selection wise you did for the ep. It's like, it's like you're close friends too, you know, like Right. Speaker 3 00:07:23 Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Speaker 2 00:07:24 Yeah, yeah. It's like, you're like, Hey, I'm doing this. And they're like, they, they're in on it, you know? Like you, like you said you Asked of and things like that. The only thing Speaker 3 00:07:30 I'm, the only one I was weird about was, uh, I Drive Your Trucks, it's such a serious song, you know? Yeah. And I was like, am I'm not making fun. It's just a different way of doing that. And I went back to those, uh, songs and then me First Gimme, gimme songs and there's some big songs on there. There's some big Oh yeah. Like heartfelt songs on there. And I don't think I ne I didn't think I was like, I was making fun of it. Uh, it just felt like such an escape anyway to do those. But I was mindful of like, I called Jesse and I was like, Hey, if I did this, would it be weird? And, uh, of course they say no, what are they gonna say? Right. They're gonna say no to John Singleton. No, I'm just, you can't, you can't say no, you're not smart to, at least you're not gonna do it. But I mean, I felt like it was kind of a, it was kind of a, a nod to them if they were, if they were on Speaker 2 00:08:18 That thing. Well, I think that's it. It's like, it's fun, but it's not funny. It's just like puts a smile on your face. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it is more than like, it's not like you're making fun of 'em. It's just like when you hear songs like that, that you know the song, but you hear it done a different way, you're just smiling the whole time you're listening to it. Sure. Which I think is great. Speaker 1 00:08:35 Sure. And good songs, you could play them in any style and they still hold up a hundred percent. And, and Drive Your Truck is an incredible, incredible Speaker 3 00:08:41 Song. It's a wonderful song. Yeah. Wonderful song. And some of those too, uh, the Manie and Tay song I kinda had a hard time with. I, well, you know, Manie, that song wasn't made for me. Right. <laugh>, like, I wasn't, I wasn't the uh, the direct, uh, person they were going to is like, Jonathan will love this song, <laugh>. Uh, so I guess I hadn't really like, studied that song. There's some tricky stuff in that thing, man. Which was hard to kind of, Speaker 1 00:09:06 I love how you like, Speaker 3 00:09:06 Figure out how you do it in that world. You're like Speaker 1 00:09:08 Right. Your throw during the record instead Speaker 3 00:09:11 Of singing real hard. Yeah, yeah. Singing real high. It's like you can't do a Celine Dion moment in the, uh, in a, in a pop punk record. Speaker 1 00:09:18 Only, only, only so much tuning can go for, I guess. Right. Exactly. What is this EP out or Speaker 3 00:09:24 No, not at all, man. It's, I, I mean, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm going to, and I, I talk, I've talked to a couple people cuz uh, Rob Snyder was real mad at me. He said, he said, if you're gonna put that out, like you should do something with it. Like, and there is some conversation in that world, which, which which made me, I'm backing up a little bit, but, which made me think about, well maybe I should do more because there's not that much difference in, there are guys that love all kinds of music for sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I think there's something in that conversation where that it might be more important than it just being like a funny pop punk country record. Yeah. Especially now when we're so mad and we're so upset with everybody and, and all these things. And I, and I was like, and me and him, Rob lives down the road, so we smoke cigars and, and drink bourbon a whole lot. Speaker 3 00:10:18 And uh, so we, we probably talked about it too much, but he had kind of convinced me of like, Hey, maybe you should do something else with that thing like that. We're not taking ourselves so seriously cuz we do sometimes it's very easy to do. And, and so that was kind of the thought. And I've talked to some of the guys that were in, in, in that, uh, that work with Kevin and those guys in the thing and, and they're in the process of sending it to Fat Mike and those guys and see if they think it's, you know, funny or something interesting to talk about or, or you know, and it's great that we can do that, that we live in, in, in a music world where we can get in touch with Fat Mike or Yeah. Or anybody from, from that, from that world. Speaker 3 00:11:00 So that was kind of the thought. And that was the only reason I was like, maybe I'll do some things for this thing and see if it not to say that that's changing the world at all. It's not. Yeah. And, and it's purposefully not. But there is a bigger conversation in those things of, of, of how, of how we, we take aside on, on, cuz you're a country music listener. You take aside cuz you're a punk guy or you're a rock guy or you're a rap guy or something like that. And it's not really true. And the longer you're around, the more you figure out. It's kind of all the same stuff, it feels like. Speaker 1 00:11:30 Yeah. I mean like, we're on tour right now and Morgan Wade's opening for us and her drummer was the drummer for Reliant K like he was in Lion K Yeah. Yeah. And look at Luke's business manager, Chris Hughes toward Warped Tour forever. Right. And so there's just like pop punk, there's all these people have, are kind of moving to country anyway. Sure, sure. So it makes sense for someone to do a EP of punk rock, you know, it's gonna happen eventually, probably. Right. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:11:54 Yeah. To enjoy it that way. Yeah. And it feels very much the same to me. The, the, the, uh, the thought process of, of I'm a hardcore country music listener and I'm a hardcore punk rock music listener. Feels a whole lot the same to me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, yeah. In the way that you would go about it, you know? Speaker 1 00:12:13 Yeah. Cuz there are like punk purists for sure. A hundred Speaker 3 00:12:16 Percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:18 And uh, I meant like, my, the first stuff I learned on guitar was like Nirvana and like Green Day and Of course, of course, yeah. Goldfinger and stuff like that. So, and then the South Florida had a huge pop punk scene too. Yeah. All these bands. So Speaker 3 00:12:33 I played, uh, come as you are for about four hours with my son down at the barn today. That's what we've been That's awesome. Doing and all that stuff sent you, uh, sent you to a place that when Nirvana came out and they was at Nirvana and then Jesus Lizard record that they did. And that kind of sent you to another version of, and it further and further and further back into the, into, uh, into kind of punk world. And country music does that too. You know, we, we end up at on on Red Dirt Texas stuff and we end up on, uh, you know, old country guys and, and, and things like that. And it all feels the same to me. I I, I always said there's not a whole lot of difference to me from Ralph Stanley and Marvin Gaye. They, they're kind of doing the same, it's just the notes that they pick are different, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, Speaker 1 00:13:23 Instrumentation or tempos or whatever. Sure, Speaker 3 00:13:27 Sure. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:13:28 Yeah. I feel that. I love me first. Gimme like, they're on stage. Like we got five minutes left, so we're gonna play you five more songs. <laugh> <laugh> Speaker 3 00:13:38 Yeah. Was the Ramones that did, uh, uh, did a live album in The Ho I think they played 14 songs and the record was like seven minutes long. Speaker 1 00:13:45 Yeah. Yeah. So funny. So Speaker 2 00:13:47 Great. Yeah. I, I think it's cool though because I mean, country music for good or for bad of what people think and everybody thinks different. It's been changing and developing and bringing in elements from other things, you know? Sure. So it's like, and people always complain about like rap or r and b influences, but they never bitch about rock influences. Right. Which I think is funny, you know, because it's the same thing. It's just a different side of it, you know? A hundred percent. Yeah. Nobody yells about Jason Aldean's band being too rock. Yeah. You know? Right. But they complain about Sam Huts r and b influences. Right. You know? Right. It's just like, well that's because you like rock music too, <laugh>, you know? Right. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. It's just like Speaker 1 00:14:27 That country gatekeeping is like it. I'll get on a soapbox and bitch about it for so long. It drives me crazy. I hate it. It's so annoying. It's so annoying. Yeah. I'm like, cuz people are like, well they didn't do it this way in in the sixties. I'm like, there was plenty of terrible country music in the sixties. You just don't listen to, you've never heard it. That's cause it didn't stand the test of time. That's exactly, it's like survivorship bias. Yeah. Or whatever you wanna call it. Yeah. Drives me crazy. Speaker 3 00:14:53 Yeah. We Speaker 1 00:14:54 Were, uh, we just didn't have any steel guitar in it. Well, Willie Nelson songs don't have steel guitar in it. It's Will and Nelson on Country <laugh>. Oh, I'm getting, I get heated. So, I mean, Speaker 3 00:15:03 We were bashing stuff one day for in, in front of Michael Heney, who's a big songwriter in town, an older guy who's had hits and I think it's, was it seventies, eighties, nineties, 2000. Like all the way Yeah. Today. How's 'em all, all the way. And uh, and we were talking about, man, we wish it was just like eighties and nineties country. You know, why can't we get back to this thing? And, and all this we kept, we went on and on and on and he let us, let us go, you know? And finally he was like, Hey guys. I was there for all of those and there was horrible, horrible music happening. <laugh>. Yes. You just don't remember that music cuz you remember the ones that were that Speaker 1 00:15:37 Yeah. You Oh, Randy Travis. He's great. Right? Why can't we have more? Randy Travis Speaker 3 00:15:41 George Strait's great. Yeah, he's great. I wish we were in that time when they were there. And we don't remember. You can't even name the guys who you thought were horrible. Why would you, why would you name the guys you thought were horrible? Yeah. I thought that was interesting too. Well, Speaker 2 00:15:53 That's it too. It's like, it's the generational artists and the generational songs, you know, that's what you remember, right. The stuff that sticks with you. Yeah. Which, lucky for you, you're pretty good at writing those. So <laugh> thanks. Speaker 3 00:16:05 Yeah. But you're right. The ones, the ones that you, that are uh, uh, the soundtrack to a part of your life. Yes, exactly. That. That's the, and if you're lucky enough to be a part of that, that's a huge deal. Speaker 2 00:16:17 Yeah. Huge deal. And that's like, growing up I was a huge rock fan. Like that's how I started my music addiction was like grunge rock. And then through that, like when I got into like high school and college, like started going to festivals, those were rock festivals. I started going to, you know. Right. Like the first festival I went to was a Rolling Rock town Fair in 2000 and it was headlined by the Chili Peppers, you know. Nice. That's the stuff I went to. Yeah. And, uh, and then my music as time changed, it leaned more towards that country thing. Right. And honestly, the Foundation album by Zach Brown's, one of the albums that like really brought me into country on the record. So it's like, for me it's like super neat hearing you do a rock version of Chicken Fried, which is like, for me, one of the songs and albums that like, brought me really deeply into country. Yeah. Hearing it like with like Rock overtones was super cool for me just as a music fan, you know? Yeah. It's like Speaker 1 00:17:09 Full circle kind of Speaker 2 00:17:10 For you. Absolutely. And it's, it's your music, but like, and your good buddies was Zack and stuff too, you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's, it makes sense. But it's like, when I heard that first when you sent me the project, I just smiled ear to ear. Yeah. Because I'm like, this is super fucking cool. You know, <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:17:26 He was more excited than anybody cause That's awesome. I think he's, he, he knows a little bit about that world and there's one guy that works for him, uh, that especially was very excited about. He was like, he should do more <laugh>. You do more Speaker 2 00:17:36 <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:17:37 Uh, but yeah, he, he was, uh, he he was especially great about Yeah. About Speaker 2 00:17:42 That thing. That's awesome. Speaker 3 00:17:44 I Speaker 2 00:17:44 Think he's one of those guys that like, could probably play almost any genre too. You know what I mean? I Speaker 3 00:17:49 Think so too. Yeah. Zach. Speaker 2 00:17:50 Yeah. Yeah. His, Speaker 1 00:17:52 His, he could rock for sure could do that. He could definitely do something. Well he did Speaker 2 00:17:55 That song with Cornell, you know what I mean? That was, he's the head I think it was called. And he Speaker 1 00:18:00 Did like edm. Yeah, he Speaker 2 00:18:01 Did that, that project with Nico and everything, you know what I mean? And like some of his music leads that way. Speaker 3 00:18:06 Sir Roosevelt? Speaker 2 00:18:07 Yeah, sir Roosevelt. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:18:09 Oh, I didn't know Nico was in that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, cool. Speaker 3 00:18:12 It was that Nico and Ben Simonetti. Yep. Were in that band. Oh Speaker 1 00:18:16 Yeah. Hell yeah. I didn't know that. Speaker 3 00:18:18 Very good. But I did the same thing, Nick. I was, I was, uh, we thought we were a rock band. I mean we really did. And I, you know Yeah. The Grove mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we, we really thought we were, and uh, we would've been if we didn't have such horrible country accents. I think <laugh>. Uh, but you know, at that time too, it was, we had moved, that was the end of us being like playing bars and stuff like that. There was like Train and counting Crows. Yeah. Which is almost country. Yeah. I mean it would like those would be Country now those were are new bands now. Yeah. Yeah. They would be Country. So it kind of like you, it kind of left us sitting there with nothing else to listen to or like what cover songs are we gonna play? Like where's, I guess we, we could always play sit here and drink. Everybody loves that. Yeah. So it kind of, that was kind of the, the way that we ended up on that thing too, is the older you get and then cuz we're not gonna play, I did it all for the nookie. Right, right. We can't do that. Right. It's hard to do. Speaker 1 00:19:17 Country version would be pretty good for the next <laugh>. We might have to cut this part with a broadcast Speaker 3 00:19:22 Out. Speaker 1 00:19:22 It would be good. Save it for later. You can Speaker 3 00:19:24 Flip this whole thing on its ear and do Speaker 1 00:19:26 I do it all for Nookie and then ba that's the next Banjo Licks or something. Some steel Speaker 2 00:19:32 Card play for that. Be great. Yeah. <laugh>. Well we're, uh, it's funny, we're actually doing a night at Rowdy on the Row. We're calling Butt Rock Night. Okay. And it's gonna be like a full band, probably like 12 songs. All like 2004. Yeah. Nickelback Creed, all that stuff. Like Three Doors Down Rock. Oh my gosh. And we're gonna have each artist do like one song cover of that. That's a great Speaker 3 00:19:55 Idea. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:19:55 This is, that's a great, great idea. You know, we're working with Speaker 3 00:19:57 That's so much fun. Couple Speaker 2 00:19:58 Of our buddies that are like musicians down on Broadway and guys they used to play with Tyler Braden. Okay. Uh, Dean and Mikey. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And we were just like at Key West songwriters Fest and somehow this came up and our buddy Brian is like Speaker 1 00:20:11 At 3:00 AM for sure. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:20:13 For sure. <laugh>. Yeah. We'll probably had one too many bearers. Maybe. Maybe an edible. Who knows. But, uh, we were just like chatting about it and so it's like, it's like happening. We're having each person do like one song. They're gonna play full band. They'll sing one song each too. Yeah. And then we're gonna have like a legit karaoke karaoke after it <laugh> where we're like, all right, you guys get up and play one of these. You can't play anything. You can only play these songs from 2000 to 2009. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:20:38 That's funny. That's awesome. That'll Speaker 3 00:20:40 Be Speaker 2 00:20:40 Fun. Yeah. That should be cool. Be fun. Just, just something silly and different. Like they do emo night, you know, a lot in town. You see that even touring, you'll see these. I haven't seen that. Like emo bands. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:20:49 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:20:50 Emo there bands that play full band. Yeah. Um, like once a month in town. Yeah. And then even at like the basement East, you'll see bands and they'll tour like through Pittsburgh and other cities that are like emo night kind of like, there's like, oh my, Speaker 3 00:21:02 Uh, my nephew went to that the other night. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:05 Yeah. I think there's one of the, Speaker 3 00:21:07 Because I kept saying, who are you going to see? And he was like, emo Night. I was like, that's the name of the band. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:11 <laugh>. It's, yeah. Yeah. It's like just all emo covers and it does really well. That's awesome. Because it's like nostalgia, you know what I mean? And then like all the people that were into that kind of music go out by night, you know? So we're That's awesome. We're like, well we like rock and roll music from like this era let's, and everybody makes fun of it, but it's actually like pretty good, you know? Yeah, yeah, Speaker 1 00:21:34 Yeah. So lemme ask you guys a question. Yeah. So this is something I've noticed recently, and maybe it's a thing that's always been this way or I'm just now realizing it. I feel like everything is so nostalgic now and it's like, you know, like the nineties country thing, it was like, everyone's so nostalgic for nineties country and for what, you know, it's like movies. It's always like Batman 10, Superman, 10, Indiana Jones 10, you know, whatever. It's like, has music always been, I feel like country music has always had this deep respect for artists before. Right. But now I just feel like everything is so nostalgic. Is Speaker 3 00:22:13 That You mean a copy of it is what you mean? Speaker 1 00:22:15 Yeah, maybe. Right. <laugh> like Speaker 3 00:22:17 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:22:19 I know like when Luke coming up Speaker 2 00:22:20 Movies, I think even it's bigger than music. Speaker 1 00:22:23 Yes. The movies. Yeah. It's like Jura thing seven and Yeah. You know Speaker 2 00:22:27 Right. Redoing classes. I've Speaker 3 00:22:29 Been praying cuz I, I've watch, I have to watch those with the kids. I've been praying for a new superhero. Yeah. And there is one once the guy, no, I take that back cuz I asked j my son about that and he was like, oh no. It was like an old comic book. There was a new thing series that we watched. I can't remember what it was now. Speaker 1 00:22:44 I thought Amman was new, but he's not. Speaker 3 00:22:46 It's not. Yeah. None of those are like, we need a new guy coming up with new superheroes. Well, I feel like one, but yes. They, they do do that. We redo a lot. But you might be getting old too. Are you getting old Kurt? Speaker 1 00:22:57 No. Cause now you're Speaker 3 00:22:59 Nostalgic for Speaker 1 00:22:59 Things like, Speaker 2 00:23:00 He doesn't have the grig yet, but he's getting old. Speaker 1 00:23:02 No <laugh>. But like, like when Bro Country came out, that was the hot new shit and everyone jumped on that. Right. Right. When is something, what is, what is that now that everyone's jumping on? Speaker 2 00:23:13 Uh, I think, I think we just saw like the nineties country thing happen. Right, right. Yeah. And like Luke was kind of like championing that for sure. Speaker 1 00:23:22 Right. Speaker 2 00:23:23 So I think that's happened and it's like, what's next? Well it's very Speaker 3 00:23:27 Acoustic in Billy Strings and some of those guys that are doing things and also like Jelly Roll that feels different to me. I mean for sure. In a, in a kind. Speaker 1 00:23:34 Maybe it's the Rock things coming back again. Speaker 3 00:23:37 Yeah. But they all those are kind of acousticy not in Jelly Wall's thing, but uh, what's the Zack guy's name? I mean Yeah. Speaker 1 00:23:44 Those are just like Jack Ryan. Yeah. Yeah. Mumford and Son kind of a vibe. Speaker 3 00:23:48 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:23:49 Sort of. Speaker 3 00:23:49 But straight up more acoustic kind of things. Yeah. And Billy Strings. I mean there's guys that are playing stadiums with an acoustic guitar. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> what in the world is happening. Like Def Leppard would be like, are you crazy? Yeah. Yeah. You can't do that Speaker 2 00:24:04 <laugh>. Well think about like Ed Sheeran. Right. Like not in the genre. Right. Speaker 3 00:24:07 That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Speaker 2 00:24:08 Yeah. Yeah. Like he's acoustic guitar. He's playing Yeah. Just him and a guitar and a big ass stadium full Speaker 1 00:24:13 Saving money on those band guys that are so expensive. Yeah. You Speaker 2 00:24:16 Don't, you don't need those good steel players. Speaker 1 00:24:18 But I'm gonna like what's the, what's, what's the next thing in country you're gonna be like, I think Speaker 2 00:24:22 Rock is starting, you're seeing a section of that like the guys, like after Midtown, you know what I mean? Right. But it's like in like Speaker 1 00:24:27 Lakeview. So 10 years ago it was nineties country and then 10 years later it's like two thousands rock. So in 10 years is it gonna be like the 2010s? I guess it Speaker 3 00:24:36 Does feel like we're 10 years behind everything. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:24:38 Well Speaker 2 00:24:39 You just mix that with what you're doing in country kind of is kind of how it seems to go. You Speaker 1 00:24:46 Know, maybe everyone, cuz there's a lot of old rockers that come over and do country records. Right, right. Especially so maybe all us players, people that work in country music, we're just gonna all go do the rock thing and we'll just switch. We'll Speaker 3 00:24:58 Just trade out. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:24:59 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:25:00 Who would be open for though? That's the hard part. It's like Speaker 2 00:25:03 Get the grove back together. Speaker 3 00:25:04 Get that Foo Fighters. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like too, as those things are happening, these guys have certain, and I'm not, I'm gonna be careful about how I say it, but there's like guys that pick pick roads that they're going down and then there's artists who were just great artists Yes. That are doing their version of for sure country music. Like Ashton Craft feels like one of those to me mm-hmm. <affirmative> where it's like, yeah. It's like some things, but it's also amazing on its own. Yeah. Take away all that stuff. Uh, and there's a few of those around. And then there's guys who are picking lanes. Maybe they're not picking them. I don't know, maybe there's, you know, they have a rock influence or they have a, or they have a, I don't know. But it does feel rockle in that way that it's kind of going where Speaker 2 00:25:56 Yeah. Like Speaker 3 00:25:57 Broke country as much as you, you know, some people dislike bro Country was, I mean we were doing nineties r and b things in country music. Yeah man. I'm in, I'm in I'll I'll turn that up. I'm gonna roll my windows up real tight cuz you can't ride through Ashton City and listen to Cruise cuz you'll get beat up. Yeah. <laugh>. But you Speaker 1 00:26:13 Know what's funny, I, I went out with Mark Wills and like photographed him for a weekend and he was telling me about how, and like he's got all these hit songs that he sang, you know? Yeah. And, and he was telling me like how people were like, would give him shit. Cause he was doing the first to bring like the r and b stuff in the country. Oh Speaker 3 00:26:31 Really? Speaker 1 00:26:31 Yeah. And so, oh, that's, I was like That's funny. Oh, was was, was he like the fgl of the time? I wondered. Yeah. But now he's like, he's plays the Opry every month and he's opera, been Opry member for decades and is like, everyone's like, oh, mark will, he's cool. You know? Well, Speaker 3 00:26:45 Whatever becomes the thing. Speaker 1 00:26:46 Yeah. Yeah. So now when we look back, it's like we have our rose color glasses on and so everyone's already saying that FJ L's gonna get back together and it's gonna ev everyone's gonna love it in 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:26:57 So they're gonna tour make millions more dollars. They Speaker 3 00:26:59 Should. Yeah, they should. I hope they Speaker 1 00:27:01 Do. Me too. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:27:03 The, Speaker 1 00:27:03 Uh, I'll go get drunk at their shows for sure. <laugh>. Right. Speaker 2 00:27:05 For sure. Well I think like that co wetzel thing, which is kind of like emo country. Yep. Weezer like rocking. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And then like Hardy's stuff he's doing is rock. Right. Like they didn't even try to make sold out a country song. They're like, this is rock. Right. You know? Yeah. So like he has those influences where it's like, some of his stuff is country Country, like what's happening right now in country music. And then some of it's like, I just wanna make our songs. It sounds like p o d you know what I mean? Well luckily has enough money where we can do it. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:27:35 And he's doing a great job of it too. I mean, I lo I love those things and I think that's a generational thing where it's Yeah. We loved those old songs and we, and we also, so it's just smart. And I don't think they're thinking about those things. I think it's just where his mind is too. Right. And it's like, Ooh, we should do it this way. Um, I love the new thing. Him and Laney did too. I was Oh my gosh. Yes. Pumped about that. Speaker 2 00:28:00 So Speaker 3 00:28:00 Good. Oh my God. I was mad. I was so mad that I didn't think to do that. But I mean, I'm not making a video either. Yeah. I don't want to. But hey, well see it was, it's so great. It's so, and I love his artist thing too, in the way that we're talking about music now. Cuz he can do, he can move. Yeah. Like if he, if he feels like he wants to do something, he can go do it. Speaker 1 00:28:21 Yeah. I feel like that's true of all great artists. Yeah. It's not like they're not pigeonholing themselves. Yeah. Right. Like I'm only gonna write songs about being tough, you know, it's like I could write a love song, I could rock and Right. Okay. We play all kinds of different music and Luke set and it's all good. It's all Luke, you know, but it's all different tempos and Sure. Various levels of rock or whatever. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:28:45 Yeah. And if you think about like, the greats, right? Like, not just even in country, but like any genre, the the, they have seasons, you know, like where the musicals sound a certain way and then it'll I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. And then it will change, you know? Yeah. And that's part of the greatness is that like you can develop over time. Yeah. And like, make this thing be like that. And it's, for me, I think that's one of the things where you look back and you're like, look at David Bowie, the stuff David Bowie did at the beginning of his career and the stuff he did close to the end of his career are not close to the same. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And like, dude, I mean Ray Charles did country records, you know? Yeah. Look, so it's Speaker 1 00:29:31 Like he's the epitome of an artist. Right? Speaker 2 00:29:33 Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's so much that you can do. And man, if you, if you ask me like what my favorite version of country music is, it leans more towards the traditional side. Right? Yeah. But if it's fucking great, it's fucking great, you know, <laugh>. Yeah. And it's funny too, like I lived with Job right when I first moved down here and he's, you know, a Southern rock guy. He loves the Black Crows, loves Whiskey Myers. And I was like, let's listen to this old Alison Chains cuz his dad listened to like all that southern rock stuff. So he didn't hear any of that grunge. Speaker 3 00:30:04 Oh really? Speaker 2 00:30:05 Like, he was like, this is cool. You know, I played him that and then he like kind of fell in love with audio slave. Yeah. He's like, this is freaking cool. And I was like, yeah, that's like sound garden and rage Right. Mash up, you know? Right. Yeah. So he kind of like dug that sound, you know? Yeah. And it was neat, like hearing him write some stuff that kind of sounded a little bit like Alison chains then, you know, like, did you get a third of it or what? No, but, uh, it's just neat, like, just getting to see that happen. Right. Like sure. You'll find someone that falls into a genre of music that's not that, and then little pieces that blur into what they're doing. Yeah. You know, Speaker 3 00:30:42 And I'm, that can happen across country music. Sure. It has happened across country music. Speaker 2 00:30:45 Yeah, Speaker 3 00:30:46 Absolutely. I mean, for sure when I first got to town, we were riding, I mean, that was Josh Turner world and Yeah. Nothing against him. I I love the guy. Uh, I I'm not saying anything negative about Josh Turner. I'm not, I did not <laugh> Speaker 2 00:31:00 <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:31:01 Wow. You seem really like a why, what? No, he's great. And I, I mean, but it was that, it was the Billy Cur, like the early beer, Billy Carrington, uh, directions and, and Josh Turner and those things. And, and uh, watching airplanes was something crazy different. But I didn't know enough about writing songs to know that that was different. Right. But it was those weird, you know, it was like Beatles chromatic things and Yeah. Harmony was strange. And yeah, everything was a little bit, a little bit different. And I, you are not, you're not trying to do anything. It's just like new people coming to town and, and those influences from them get, get dragged into country music. And the new generation too. Like, we had to, had to seek out music. Like you had to read magazines and find people that you liked and, and all this stuff. But now, I mean, my kids got access to everything. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:31:57 So I can only imagine what country music will be like in 10 years. Cause these kids are growing up in the same country that we were growing up. Yep. But they have access to everything. So, I mean, the, the ways that they can say things different than the way we set 'em with our, you know, small, you know, three chords, four chords, five maybe don't play an a minor Yeah. <laugh>, you know, like, kind of thing. I mean, they, they, they're gonna be able to do that in a totally different way. Because I mean, my, I don't, I'm not sure my kids know the difference in, they don't differentiate between the two things. I mean, it's Eminem and Luke Combs, that's his two jets, you know? Yeah. And, and I, I hear him listening on the op, you know, on his, on his earphones and it's, he'll play Eminem and then he'll play like obscure weird Luke comb songs. He's not, because he is not listening to the radio. Right. He has no idea. I mean he's like, why are there commercials in this music? <laugh> man? He must, you're so cool. Huh? Speaker 1 00:32:54 I said he must think you're so cool. Speaker 3 00:32:56 Hey, I don't know that he does he, I don't know. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:32:59 He's just been around it too much. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:33:01 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He thinks everybody has beards and plays guitar. I think Speaker 2 00:33:05 <laugh>, how is he now? Speaker 3 00:33:07 10? Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 00:33:08 Yeah. He he'll get it real soon. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:33:11 He's b he's big into music and it's really neat to kind of play stuff for him and see what he thinks about it. And, and uh, um, does Speaker 1 00:33:17 He run your TikTok account? Speaker 3 00:33:19 I don't have a TikTok account. <laugh>, but if I did, yes. He would run. He would run it. Speaker 2 00:33:24 Yeah. Well I think it's neat too, man. Like everything goes in circles and I think the circle that you're showing is like, okay, there's good songwriting in this country music, but I also like this pop punk punk kind of thing, this vibe. Right. So I think it's neat to kind of, and I think it'll be beneficial, like you said, to put that out onto the world. Yeah. Cause kids like your son that haven't heard me first in the Gimme Gimmes. Right. And folks that are just big country music fans, this might open their ear and it might creep in, you know? Sure. Speaker 3 00:33:59 That would be great. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:34:01 And I think that's kind of one of the cool things about it. And again, like for someone like me that's nostalgic for, cause I love all the songs that you have on that record. I love Cruz since 2012, you know, <laugh>. Yeah, sure. Speaker 3 00:34:13 Such a banger. Yeah. Like Speaker 2 00:34:15 The lyrics aren't the best, but it's a great song, you know, <laugh>. But it's one of those things where it's like, it brings a smile to my face and really at the end of the day, like, isn't that what music should do? It should, should be broken emotion for you. Yeah. You know, that Speaker 3 00:34:29 Should be it, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:34:31 So it's super cool that, you know, uh, that you put that together and are, are putting it into the world, even if it's just via dms and texts to your friends <laugh> for Speaker 3 00:34:42 Bingo. No, I'll, I'll I'll put it out. You know, I'm playing it Speaker 1 00:34:45 On a podcast maybe. Speaker 3 00:34:46 Yeah, Speaker 2 00:34:46 Yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:34:47 Whereas the fear of, uh, uh, of doing a record these days for me, it's turned into that I would have to go play live. And I, you know, Speaker 2 00:34:54 You're like, nah, I'm not doing that. I don't Speaker 3 00:34:56 Want to do that. Yeah. At Speaker 1 00:34:57 All. The drums on it are too disgusting. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:35:00 <laugh>, that would be hard to find a drummer in Nashville. Yeah. Uh, to do that. Yes. Uh, yeah. But I, I'm, I'm put it out in some way, you know, maybe, we'll, maybe we'll do something, but let's go Speaker 1 00:35:11 Man. I'll leak it if you guys just might just leak it. Yeah. My Venmo is Kurt, you know, Speaker 3 00:35:16 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:35:17 No, I think, I think one of the things too, man, is Yeah. It's like how do you distribute it? Right? So like Right. And that's a different thing, man. Marketing a record is a very different thing. Yeah. I don't know if I know the right way to do it, but we can figure it out. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:35:30 <laugh>. Well it's such a great time right now for any of those things. Yeah. I mean, DSPs, as much as we talk good and bad about 'em, people are getting music out in ways that they've never gotten music out. Absolutely. And it's such a wonderful, beautiful thing. And I guess it kind of runs back to the thing we were talking about before is like, what's the next thing? Country music. Like it's probably whatever new guy pops out of this. Yep. I heard a guy the other day, it was like a, was it I in Flanagan dude and I, I kind of listened to it. I had a, I had a song on there, I felt like a horrible songwriter cuz I was like, who's this guy <laugh>? I had no idea he cut your song. The song was, but I think he was on The Voice or one of those things. Speaker 3 00:36:15 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, man, if you get a chance, I think that's his name, Ian Flanigan. What a wonderful voice. Kind of in like John Hyatt kind of thing. I mean, I'm not trying to pigeonhole him, but, uh, I was like, man, we need this dude. Like, we need this guy around. So I think those things will happen in that way, or social media or D s P or whatever world YouTube or however it happens. And, uh, and they'll keep keep doing those weird things and trying different stuff. We can do anything right now. Yeah. Like it's wide open. You just put it on there. Speaker 2 00:36:47 And that's like, I know we talked bad about TikTok, but that is the neat thing for these kids with TikTok is like, they can throw something into the world. Yeah. See if it's, see if the people like it, Speaker 3 00:36:58 You know? A hundred percent. Speaker 2 00:36:59 It's an interesting thing because like, I think there's probably positives and negatives to it, but like, it's the same thing as like if you have a record deal and you have people that are your team, they're helping figure out what your sound should be like and what you should be writing towards or fuck it up that Right. Speaker 3 00:37:17 One or the other. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:37:18 Yeah. You know? Yeah. And like, kind of TikTok is kind of doing that for kids like Sure. Like Austin Snell, who's a great kid in just moved to town like four months ago. Yeah, it's great. It's from Georgia. Most of his stuff's like country. Country. Yeah. But he wrote this song, it's kinda like a rock song. Sounds kind of like that, like co kind of vibe. Yeah. And it blew up on TikTok, so he is putting it out. Huh. So it's like, what do you do, put out some of the country country stuff you have? Or do you put more of this like rock type stuff? Like who knows? You know? Yeah. But instead of the record label telling you that's what you should do, it's the algorithm from the internet telling you what you Speaker 1 00:37:55 Should do. Yeah. Like, should I chase what people like or what I want to do? Speaker 2 00:37:58 Right. Speaker 3 00:37:59 That's a, that's a, that's a tough question. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:01 Well, and some of it's like you chase what the people like till you get big enough till you can do whatever the fuck you want. Right. You know, that's part of it too. Or Speaker 3 00:38:08 You'd be very careful about the options that you present to people. Yes, yes. Speaker 2 00:38:12 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:38:12 And if Austin's like me, then he's got bills to pay and he's probably in his twenties and Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:18 Would Speaker 1 00:38:19 Would rather put out that than dig ditches, you know? I'm sure it's a killer too. Anyway, it's a great song. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:24 It's a great song. And it has like 17,000 plus pre saves on it before it comes out. You know, like that's the power and app like that has Right. And that's how like YouTube was back in the day, like it, like it was the wild, wild West for a while, you know, and then like Vine and other social media platforms, it's just access to shit so quick. Right. You know, you can put something out and the amount of eyes that is on it is insane. Yeah. Where like before it was like you had to polish it up and make sure it was ready and you know, the gatekeepers had to tell you it was the right thing, you know? Right. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, well, whatever Speaker 3 00:39:02 Research with air quotes got done before. Right. Which was phone calls to people at, in the middle of their dinner to ask 'em if they liked this song that they played a verse course for. Yep. Speaker 2 00:39:11 Like, Speaker 3 00:39:11 You can do that in your car now. Like the research is like, I've got research, we all have research on a Spotify thing. Yeah. It says it right there beside it. Like this is how many times it played. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's pretty good research Yep. O of things that just got put out into the world. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I, and I know, you know, Luke's world runs that way. It's like, well, what's gonna be the next single, well probably the one that has the most <laugh> Speaker 2 00:39:35 Streams. Speaker 3 00:39:35 Streams beside it on the team. We didn't put any money behind this and it's Speaker 2 00:39:39 Here Speaker 3 00:39:39 And the other ones are here. I mean, and sometimes it's not. Sometimes it is, but like, right. I mean, those guys that are running their world that way is smart to me. Yeah. And the, the songwriters that are putting their songs on, they're playing em on Instagram a verse chorus, and then if, if that hits a whole bunch of times, then they go cut it. Yep. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then they might put on another version of that, and then there's the record version of that or whatever. I mean, it's just smart. I mean, there's so many ways that that, that that's helpful. The Speaker 2 00:40:06 Internet, your a and r team, you know. Speaker 1 00:40:08 Yeah. We used it to help build the set too. You know, it's a hundred percent. They were like, Hey, this song Refrigerator Door is big in Europe. So we're like, okay, that's weird, but let's do it. Yeah. That's So we played and we go to Europe. Yeah. That's a great song. But it's just, yeah, I wouldn't have figured that. I don't know why. I guess it was like a single over there. Speaker 3 00:40:27 Huh. Weird refrigerator door. Yeah. I remember when Cutting Refrigerator Door and I was like, what is this song? Speaker 1 00:40:32 Me Too. I saw the title ago, what the hell is this song about? And I heard the song go, oh my God, that's so smart. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:40:39 Super Speaker 2 00:40:39 Neat. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:40:40 When you see the title Refrigerator Door, I guess you're like, no, I'm gonna listen to it. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:40:45 <laugh>. Well I think that's kind of cool though. It's like you see something and you're, you have either have no idea or you have an idea, and then when the song hits oh, you're like, oh, that's not what I thought this was gonna be. Right. Speaker 1 00:40:55 You know, that's always fun. It's kind Speaker 2 00:40:57 Of cool. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, your production world's freaking crazy now, huh? Speaker 3 00:41:01 It's crazy right now. Yes, it is. Um, I'm trying to, uh, I'm, I'm playing catch up a whole bunch. We're doing, I'm doing Luke stuff. I'm doing, uh, Wyatt Mccn that's down there. Yeah. Uh, practicing for that Brooklyn Bowl show this weekend. Speaker 1 00:41:16 Oh, is he opening for Cam? Speaker 3 00:41:18 No, uh, yeah. Cameron Marlow. Yeah. I was like, cam No, she was the House on Fire thing. Yeah. Was that Cam? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cameron Marlow. Yeah. Yeah. At the Brooklyn Bowl. Are you going Speaker 1 00:41:28 If I'm in, I don't think I'm in town. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:41:30 Yeah. Uh, I've gotta cut. It's tomorrow Luke stuff that night. Um, but yeah, it's been pretty crazy. And so, but it's been nice to have this place here. We're at, we're at my place now and, and so I get a lot of people to come out here. Ray Falter, he loves coming out here and lovely guy with more money than him in the world, you know? Say what now? I said you're the only guy with more money than Ray in the world, <laugh>. Yes, I do. Hey, hey Ray. I do have more money than Ray. That's an absolute fact. Yeah. Hell yeah. Um, Speaker 1 00:41:59 More number ones. Yeah, yeah, Speaker 3 00:42:01 Yeah. Um, tell him to keep working. He's trying, he's trying. Speaker 1 00:42:05 Hey, I have a question. What's it like? Cause you and Chip are like co-producing Luke stuff, right? Yeah. How does that, because I have an idea of what it's like in my brain. Yeah. And, but I'd love to hear it from your mouth as to like how that works. Speaker 3 00:42:18 Um, I love Chip. I I mean I'm absolutely, he's Speaker 1 00:42:21 Produced some Speaker 3 00:42:22 Love that guy Country Speaker 1 00:42:23 Gold for sure. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:42:24 Uh, and he is been in, uh, around forever and ever. And, uh, you know, I I'm not sure we, we work really, really great together. Cool. And, and Chip is looking at, he's looking at a lot of times it feels like, and I, I hate to say something wrong or, or or something that he try Speaker 1 00:42:45 To speak for him or something, or Speaker 3 00:42:46 Try to speak for him. But I think what's happening is I'm kind of looking at the whole thing and Chip is doing, like he, he, he will like, is this acoustic Right? And then when it is, he's, he moves to the next thing is this is this, uh, guitar, right? Is the kick drum. Right. Is the, is everything right? And, and he dives in so much. He does so much work past Luke records. So my hard work feels like the day that we're cunning and, and making sure everybody's, you know, uh, Luke's happy and, and, and everybody's happy in that, in that world. But then I get to kind of go away for a second and Chip does a massive amount of work. Like he's placing things, he's tuning things. He's mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he's doing the nerd work. He's doing like super nerd work, I call him. Okay. Speaker 1 00:43:33 That's how I thought in my head. Yes. Because I always thought that, you know, you were like the macro and he's like the, the micro ideas, like, I mean, Speaker 3 00:43:40 I think that that's a, I think that's a good way to say it. I, I would hate to, you know, Speaker 1 00:43:44 And he has just an incredible amount of knowledge technically, both as far as recording and musically I feel like too. Yes. Speaker 3 00:43:52 He, he's kind of always looking at, is this guitar in this EQ spectrum of this thing, and should we change that? Uh, but I get to listen to it like music. So my, my job's great. Like, I, I have a, the wonderful version of that, of I get to go, well, hey man, maybe we shouldn't, uh, maybe we should just play the chorus again and not do this mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But he, he's very specific kind of in line with, with what's going on. And it's a great idea, especially for guys like me who I like doing, uh, the nerd work, but I'm not very good at it. Yeah. Uh, so I kind of always farm those out anyway. Uh, so having both worlds in there and I get to look at things in a songwriter from a songwriter perspective, and when I'm, when I get to do those records of a chip, it's way nicer because he's, that's taken care of. Speaker 3 00:44:45 Like, I don't have to think about whether or not, you know, this guitar is EQ is wrong, or the compression's wrong, or whatever. He's kind of doing all of that, all of that world. And I get to kind of do the like song stuff. Um, which, uh, uh, mostly has been spent on, you know, kind of upgrading guitar tones. Like, we spend a lot of time on that. Like what those kind of feel like, uh, try, you know, as Luke is growing and you guys are growing live and, and, and, uh, as he's growing as an artist and y'all are growing live, like to try to make that feel better as we as he goes, you know, like guitar and tone's gotta get better, his focal things gotta get better, the songs gotta get better. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, all that kind of world is kind of what I, uh, spend a bunch of time looking at. Speaker 3 00:45:34 And I think we did too. I mean, my favorite vocal he's ever done is, is, uh, doing this. I, I think that was, it's so great. That sounds unbelievable. First on the whistle. Funny cuz you've done it a million times. Like when you sit next to him and play acoustic, when he starts singing, it's kind of like, what the fuck? Like, this guy, I guess like a bear growling in the like running at you while it's growling at and uh, and that fests, I feel like this is like, where's that at on those records? It had hadn't been there. And the awesome thing about, uh, production sometimes is we had his vocal track that we had cut while the band was playing down. You know, just like scratch vocal track, scratch, vocal track, and then like 10 other versions of that, of him singing after that. Speaker 3 00:46:24 And the one that got was the best was when the band's playing because he love that stories like vocal f uh, a singer sing, A singer like a real singer sings better when a band's playing. Yeah. Like they just always do, you know, it's so hard to capture a vocal like that. And I can only imagine, you know, of sudden compar him to like Joe Cochran and some of those guys. But he does. I mean, that's the kind of vocal guy he is, you know? Yeah. And, uh, it just, he just does it better. So now we've kind of moved things around to like, we're getting vocals in the tracking session. That's what we're gonna do. Uh, and I do that with why McCubbin a couple those guys too, who, who grew up playing in bands and they, they feel weird in the studio, like it's a quieter version of everything in their headphones, and it doesn't feel right to 'em. But that vocal to me is like, feels like you're sitting next to him and he's playing it on acoustic guitar. Yeah. Man. Raises the hair on the back of your neck. Absolutely does. Yeah. It's aggressive. Yeah. Like he's aggressive singer, you know, <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:47:23 And I told Kurt the first time I heard that record, I was like, this is the best Luke's voice. It sounded, it sounds so good. Oh, that's awesome. On your record. Yeah. I was like, and you wonder from the previous records, like, you're like, how's this gonna get better <laugh>? And then you hear this record and it's just so rich and beautiful. I, I think it's cool, you know, he's had a great voice since the first time I heard him sing. Yeah. But like, it just, it's more rich now than it's ever been. Yeah. Which is crazy, you know? It's beautiful. Speaker 3 00:47:49 That's awesome. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:51 Yeah. What percentage of your world is writing and producing and whatever else is in there? Punk, uh, musically, I meant like, are you're a songwriter first and foremost, right? Sure. Speaker 3 00:48:03 I think so. I think so. And, and production started from just wanting to get more songs on records, you know, I mean, it was really, I've jokingly said this at much times, he's probably mad at me by now, but I was like, if Jimmy Robbins is a producer, then all I am too. <laugh>. Uh, yeah. I love Jimmy. Uh, that's half joked <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:48:27 He's, he doesn't listen to our podcast anyway, so it's fine. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:48:30 Yeah. Um, and I can't remember where that started. I remember Chris Lacey years ago trying to get me to do a Frankie Ballard, uh, to produce Frankie Ballard. And I was like, I'm not, I'm not a producer. And I'm, that happened three or four times down through the process. I think Tyler Far was the first thing that I did. Like, it was a big kind of record and I was kind of in the mix with, with, uh, with a couple other guys doing those records. Um, but it, it kind of turned into, back in, in those days there was, there was Dan Hoff and there was Frank Liddell, and there was a lot of huge, like, big producers who were like, this Speaker 1 00:49:11 Is like 10 years ago. Speaker 3 00:49:12 Fantastic. 10, 15 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Just, I mean, there was so many places to go and there's just not that many places to go anymore. You know, if John Randall's doing records, like as little as he wants to do records, like there's nowhere to go. Like if there people are talking him into doing records and he's so great at it, but he just, he didn't want to. And I think I was kind of in that world too, where I didn't want to, in, in Luke's case, he told me that that's what I was gonna do. And, uh, yes, sir. And I said, <laugh>. Yeah. I kind of said, uh, sure man, you know, cuz I, I've said too many times like, whatever you need me to do, like, I'll come if you, I'll come mow your yard if it helps you get, move the ball down the field. Speaker 3 00:49:53 Whatever you need me to do, that's what I'll do. And, uh, so that's, that's how that happened. He said, that's what you're doing. And I said, okay, I'll, I'll be there. Um, but it's probably, I still write five days a week. I've been trying to write three days a week in town for about 16 years now. But my schedule is so great. It's great, man. I mean, I have great people on my schedule every day and it's, it's turned into kind of artists, like mostly artists and great songwriters with those, with those artists, with artists. So yeah. I never dread my songwriting schedule ever, ever. Huh. I dread my production schedule, which now is probably, to answer your question, uh, 30 minutes later, it's probably 65% writing 45 35. Speaker 1 00:50:44 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:50:45 Yeah. It's what said <laugh>? Yeah. You're not listening. Yeah. Uh, production. Yeah. I guess it probably would be. Uh, I forgot where I was going with that, but Speaker 1 00:50:57 Yeah. So yeah. So 65 35, yeah. Speaker 3 00:51:00 45. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:51:01 Yeah. Got it. Because you give the extra 10%, that's what everything you do. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's awesome, man. 110%. That's how you get the dance. Speaker 3 00:51:11 Uh, oh, the production thing. I, I do kind of dread that sometimes. Cause there's more pressure, there's more pressure in the production world than there is mm-hmm. <affirmative> songwriting thing. If we miss a couple times songwriting in songwriting world, so and so needs a single, which is what we always hear, you know, whoever, whatever X artist needs a single mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, and we miss that. We're kind of friends with them and we'll get another shot. But in production world, like it's, it like you gotta get Speaker 1 00:51:35 Money's online. Speaker 3 00:51:36 Yeah. You got, I mean, lots of money, lots of time. Lot. That's like, these artists got less and less time to do things as they get bigger and, and say you gotta get it right. And, uh, and it's just picking teams, I think, you know, picking, picking the right, uh, bating lineup, drummer, bass player, guys, guy that's helping you do things. And, and again, Chip's been great. I've got a lot of guys in town that I lean on in that world. And they'd be mad if, if, if I thought I was, if they thought I was taking credit for that. Me and Justin Francis do tons and tons and tons of things together and, uh, and, and Drew Bowman, I mean, it's, getting in town production to me feels like getting in town and finding the guys who were great at what they do and just being able to call 'em and ask 'em if they, they'll come to your thing, you Speaker 1 00:52:24 Know, takes a village, I guess Speaker 3 00:52:25 A hundred percent for me. Absolutely. Uh, more than a village. Yes. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:52:29 Yeah. That's wild. And it's like, I even, like, I haven't been in town that long in the grand scheme of things. I'm in town in 10 years. Yeah. But it's like, I'm still doing sessions, but it's less and less of being in a studio and being in like a bedroom. Speaker 3 00:52:46 Right. Speaker 1 00:52:47 And so, like, I, I've played, like we were talking the drive over here. I played on all like the Bailey Zimmerman stuff and Austin is his producer. Yeah. And I saw Austin post something on Instagram the other day. He was like, answering questions and he is like, I've never, someone's like, how do you track drums? He's like, I've never tried drums in my life. Speaker 3 00:53:06 Huh. Speaker 1 00:53:06 And Speaker 3 00:53:06 He, so he just doing like program jumps? Yeah. Oh. Speaker 1 00:53:10 It's like, and the whole, I mean, he's got his, I mean, he gets great results. Obviously the songs are hits, but it's like, you know, you're saying there's not places to go and do records as much or, you know, it's like everything seems to be getting more like the bedroom Speaker 3 00:53:24 Thing, I guess. Yeah. Well it is a lot. I mean, yeah, I mean this too, I mean this studio, I mean, I do that, that's what I'm doing here. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean, I'm playing them, but I'm triggering samples and I do those, uh, a lot. Like a lot. A lot. I do, I do What's, I haven't done demos in forever cuz I always had a studio. I had two studios in East Nashville over there and, and I had one back in Jackson too. But, uh, but here I, I do what's called, I call 'em glorified work tapes. Uh, so it's not a demo, it's a glorified work tape, but I'm playing everything on that work tape. I'm doing drums and then I play bass and then acoustic and do, do everything together. The only reason I call 'em glorified work tapes is cuz I don't want them to call me with fixes. Speaker 3 00:54:08 So if they feel like the vocal should be up a little bit, I'll be like, okay, cool. Go demo it and then you can tell that and engineer it because I just don't have time. Yeah. Just for the sake of time. Like, but I do love the thought of doing, writing a song that day and then being excited about that song and doing a version of that song that night. But yeah, I mean, there's something to Bedroom Studios. I mean, uh, oh my goodness. I mean, there's huge, massive giant pop records that are done in a bedroom. Yeah. You know, uh, even like Sam Hunt's first record was that way. Right? Was it z Was that, does Zack Crowd do that record? I don't know off the top of my head, but I, it probably was. And I remember that studio over in, uh, studio. Speaker 3 00:54:56 It was a bedroom. Yeah. Uh, in in East Nashville. East Nashville, yeah. Over there. Um, yes. I mean there, the, the, the, the way they've pumped up the Superior drummer, superior Drummer three and Addictive Drums and those things like that. I mean, uh, Charlie knows. Yeah. Oh man. They, it's amazing. It's ama and you can get whatever drummer you wanna do and then if you got samples. And so the producer world is not a whole lot different. I remember, uh, Busby, you know, who was in town for a long time, he passed away mm-hmm. <affirmative> that did the Mayor Morris Records and all those things we were in, in, uh, at Cross Town Music together. And then there was a guy from Sweden named Mattias Wooow that was a Swedish producer that did like pop records. And I remember them arguing about drum samples. And so Mattias was accusing busby of stealing his drum samples or something like that. Speaker 3 00:55:52 And Busby's like, oh, you dude, you're crazy. Like, I would, I would never do that. Like, and I remember thinking, these guys are insane. What are they arguing about? Drum samples. But now even, even the records that I'm do that feel very organic, there's a lot of drum samples in those things. I mean, they're, you know, uh, Ashlyn's record had drum samples in there. Don't tell her that. <laugh> don't, I never would've asked. Honestly, there's drum samples in those things. I mean, they're stuck in there. Like, so we use 'em different than they would use 'em in like pop music mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and, and, and in bro country, like those are just like samples Yeah. Of drums. So we'll kind of mix 'em in, in spaces, especially like kick drums and bass kick drums and snares and things like that. Like I mix 'em in and that's part of the thing that, that everybody's trying to figure out how those things are happening. Speaker 3 00:56:47 You're kind of mixing those, mixing them in. And there'll be four s errors strapped across a a, a track and four kick drums snapped across the track. And you can kind of, you know, this one's got more high end and this one's got more low end, so I can, I can mix, move that around and, and things like that. And so it's all a lot of stuff in the box, like a lot of things in the box. Uh, and I, I, mine is not very nerdy. Like, I don't know, uh, if I would have a hard time, uh, sitting down with a guy that knew how to do that and explaining to him what I was doing. Mine is just trial and error and bringing things in. And I've got a Matt Chamberlain drum kit that's a crabby auto drum kit that's on almost every uptempo Luke Combs record. Speaker 3 00:57:32 I mean, I see, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's in there somewhere. Uh, it definitely is on all the Ray Falter stuff. I mean, Ray's record we did during, uh, COVID and I wasn't here, I was at the other house over there, but it was just me in a room playing everything. And I would FaceTime, uh, Ray and see if he liked everything as we kind of went down the page. And so, not to get too nerdy about it, but like superior drummer, you can take those kits that you have sampled. And I have Jerry Rose kits now. I mean, I have Evan Hutchins, I have That's awesome. All those guys kits, you know, like sampled, like on the back of sessions that I pulled into things and I can, I can, I can make that a stack or replace the drum that I'm triggering on the kit that I'm playing and the thing. And those records have been cut at huge studios in town through wonderful consoles with great engineers doing 'em and stuff like that. So it's, uh, I feel like I told a lot of secrets. Right. Then <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:58:36 I've had multiple, uh, producers in town tell me that I should put out like a steel guitar. They're like, man, this sounds good. You should do like a steel guitar sample pack. I'm like, no, you're not gonna call me anymore <laugh>. You know what I mean? If I, if I give you like a mirror, Speaker 3 00:58:53 You should do a sample pack. Speaker 1 00:58:54 Yeah. Well then did Speaker 3 00:58:55 Those guys make money off sample packs? Do you think they do? That would be my Speaker 1 00:59:00 Question. Not much as like I do when I get like, mailbox money for playing on a hit record or something. You know what I mean? Like, well, Speaker 3 00:59:05 I wonder, I mean, there's guys to ask for sure. Like Paul Mayberry and Matt Chamber. Oh, Jerry Road. Jerry wrote, did he do a sample pack? Speaker 1 00:59:12 Didn't you say you had his drum sampled? Speaker 3 00:59:14 Oh, Jerry Rome. No, I stole those from Jerry. Speaker 1 00:59:17 Oh, <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:59:18 No, I, so in, in the session, we, Speaker 1 00:59:21 We might have to send you this podcast for you to sample. Yeah, yeah. Jay, just so you don't get in trouble Speaker 3 00:59:25 In the session, we always get, uh, drum samples at the end. So you'll do like kick drum and you'll do medium, like small, like slow, medium high or whatever mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, uh, I've, I've, I have those in my, in my own hard drives, you know, so I, there's been times where I can take those and kind of move 'em around where I wanna move Speaker 1 00:59:43 Around and stuff like that. Speaker 3 00:59:44 But they're not sample packs that they did. But I'd be very interested in, uh, uh, Speaker 1 00:59:49 I was very surprised that Jerry had done one. That's why I when you said that, you No, no, Speaker 3 00:59:53 No. He didn't do it. No, I I stole your drums. Jerry and I use them. I don't use them all time. Fuck Speaker 1 00:59:59 <laugh>. Speaker 3 01:00:00 But I've also paid 'em a bunch of money to play on sessions. <laugh> True. Uh, uh, but yeah, uh, I'm would, I would be interested to see how much they pay you for a sample pack. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:00:14 I mean, like you, if I put a couple steel licks in 12 keys and different registers and then Right. Put it out and you, it's like a hundred dollars, then you never have to call a steel guitar player ever again. Then I then Speaker 3 01:00:28 Don't do 'em in all keys. Speaker 1 01:00:30 <laugh>, you only get C sharp <laugh>. That's all you get. Well, I Speaker 3 01:00:34 Can move that to Speaker 1 01:00:36 <laugh>. Speaker 3 01:00:37 I'll probably to e on one side and Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 01:00:41 <laugh>. I get it. All right. Well, that's super funny. That's an idea, man. Well, yeah, the production thing, I think it's so interesting and I'd like to be, um, cause I hear stuff on records and I go, that's not the way I would've done that. I want to do it a different way. But I don't know any of that nerdy computer shit like you and Charlie do so Speaker 3 01:00:58 Well, I don't know if you have to. I mean, I, I know there's guys who don't. It's been more and more here lately that there, there were guys that did tracks or did whatever, and I mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean, I, I can do tracks. But the early guys, like, they weren't doing that. They weren't involved in that process. They found a guy that was, that they loved his sounds that mm-hmm. <affirmative> that he, that they made. And that feels like that's coming back more. Uh, there, there are guys who were, who were just like, listen guys. And you just find a guy that, so you would need a partner. It'd be like writing a song. You know, Charlie, Speaker 1 01:01:35 If you couldn't Teams, I picked Charlie. Speaker 3 01:01:37 If you couldn't, if you couldn't play guitar and, and you wrote great lyrics, then you would have to find a guitarist to help you finish that song. Yeah. And that feels the same way to me. And that there's nothing wrong with that. There's, there's guys who were, I mean, I write songs with people all the time that don't play guitar. That doesn't mean they're less of a guitar player. It doesn't make you less of a producer because you don't know how to run. Speaker 1 01:01:56 And if I can learn steel guitar, I can learn a bunch of knobs. It cant be that Speaker 3 01:02:00 Hard. It's the same thing. It's the same. Yeah. <laugh>, Speaker 1 01:02:02 I just get, I get a d d if I don't have an instrument in my hand sometimes. You know what I mean? Well, Speaker 3 01:02:06 I do keep mine. And I, my, my setup here is, is is very, uh, two brained in the way. And I'm, I'm probably getting even more nerdy now. No, tell us. Speaker 1 01:02:18 So we, I'm here for Speaker 3 01:02:19 It. It's too brained in the way that, so if I write a song, I have a work tape on my phone and everybody leaves, hopefully, uh, <laugh> and, and, and it's time for me to do a track. Right. So I have setups of drums and all of those over years and years and years of doing drum tracks. It, it, there's a, there's a, a, a channel that I go through, and then it's kind of, if it's this kind of drums, I'll use this kit. If it's this kind of drums, I'll use this kit. Yeah. So all of that nerd stuff is done. And I'm saying nerd in the nicest way ever. I, I mean it in, in a nice way, all that stuff's done because the creative brain is different than that brain. So I don't wanna be EQ and drums and figuring out why this is that and this is that. Speaker 3 01:03:08 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then my base channel is the same. It's like, it's, it's here. I might have to kind of tweak it a little bit for whatever song it is, and that's done. But I don't wanna be like heavy into, while I'm in creative mode trying to do production stuff, my acoustic stuff is the same way. It's kind of set, uh, I can, I can move a couple of knobs and make it, you know, more troubly mm-hmm. <affirmative> where strum acoustic or finger picking, I can move that around and guitars the same way. And as I go down the page, I'm not doing a bunch of like fixing, Speaker 1 01:03:41 It's built for speed. Kind of the Speaker 3 01:03:42 Same. It's built for speed. A hundred percent. And it's also built for not thinking two different ways. Like if I'm in creative mode, then I'm in creative mode. And if I'm in, uh, mix mode, which I'm not a mixer at all, and, uh, Jim Cooley knows that for sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, but I, I don't want those two things to collide. And if, if you're spending time trying to figure out what you should be singing or what harmony you should be singing, but you're worried that your thing has a little too much mid-range in it, that'll mess with you for sure. So mine's built for Yeah. That way. And you can also just pay guys to come do that for you. And they'll come over there too, like Speaker 1 01:04:20 Charlie, so hit Charlie. A hundred percent. Speaker 3 01:04:21 Yeah. Speaker 1 01:04:22 Singleton's too busy. <laugh>. And you can't afford him. Speaker 3 01:04:24 Yeah. Well I had a guy come do mine, so. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:04:26 Oh yeah. There you go. No doubt. Yeah, man, that's awesome. I, I've definitely, I think the only time I've ever like been in a session that you were producing is like, with Jordan and then with Jordan Fletcher and then Oh yeah. And then Oh yeah. Cause I was doing the video stuff for that. Yeah. And then obviously all the Luke stuff. But it was awesome, man. It's like the way you did the Jordan Fletcher stuff was kind of like, you guys were just a band, right? It was, there was no one in the studio at all. Yeah. There was like an engineer. You played whatever guitars. Jordan didn't play, and Jordan played drums. And then there was a keys player, and I forget who you played bass also. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome, man. And you guys just, it was just like a high school bunch of guys just figuring it out. Sure. Doing it organically and having fun. Like, Hey, what if we do this? And you would come up with the parts and it was fun to watch. It wasn't like Yeah. Speaker 3 01:05:17 Seemed very relaxing. What fun. Kinda sitting over in the corner while he was doing another thing. Yeah. Coming up with a, yeah. And, uh, he talked a good drummer too, man. He's a real good drummer. Yeah, he did good. He did great on that thing. And those things sound, they sound great. I, I was proud of that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> proud of that. Uh, a recorder EP or whatever it was. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I, my record, I did, uh, and again, I'm gonna be careful about how I say this. My record I did as an artist was with Dan Huff, and I love Dan Huff. He's brilliant, brilliant guy. And I learned so many, so many things from that guy. The Grove record. The Grove record. Yeah. Yeah. That was Dan Huff record. Um, but I always end that session because I'd been like a bar band guy. Speaker 3 01:06:05 And the guys would play something and Dan would say, uh, how do you feel about that? I'd be, oh man, it's great. But I always, in the back of my mind go, would, would think, man, I wish it was a little like, not so perfect. Like not so perfect. Cuz music is not perfect. It's just not mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. You know, uh, and that follows through all of production world for me, like tuning vocals. And I, I tune them some now because they get overturned or the guitars are overturned or everything's placed in the right place and it's on a grid. And, but my version of production, uh, of, of, uh, a hope is what you were saying is always been less. That's true. Like, I just do less than everybody else. Like I'm less of a fingerprint on that thing than everybody else and trying to get what's happening in the room. Speaker 3 01:07:00 Cuz you're getting the guys even in, even in Luke's world, it's those guys that have played on this records forever are a big part of that record. John Connolly is Luke Combs. What Luke Combs sounds like playing acoustic, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> because he's done that so many times. You know, if the song starts with acoustic guitar and live Luke is playing acoustic guitar, then we need John Conley to play that acoustic part cuz that's what it's turned into. Uh, uh, but after that, you, you're picking the guys that you pick the, the roster that you're picking and then kind of staying outta the way and, and having everybody have a good time in between and making sure at that point that we're just kind of staying on time and we're staying on task. Right. You know, and they're floating their own ideas too. Right? A hundred percent. Speaker 3 01:07:46 Yeah. Yes. Oh man, it, it Jerry's play, Jerry Rose played on every Luke record that mm-hmm. <affirmative> that he's played, you know, uh, I'm not, uh, uh, Steve Mackie might, I think he played on most of those records. Uh, so those things sound that way. And, and, and when you're doing a first time artist, you're trying to pick that team that can carry them through. Hopefully they do 10 records, you know, it's like this is the team. Yeah. Like this is the guy, this is your guitar player, this is your guy. And then staying outta the way. And we know those guys enough and we heard so many records with Derrick Wells playing guitar and Rob McNell, Rob Elli playing guitar and, and, and Saul playing guitar and, and uh, and uh, you know, this guy playing acoustic and this guy playing drums, this guy playing bass. Just kind of picking those things and then staying outta the way it always feel has felt weird to me that we do. It was like the guys that are doing too much to me for it to, it's like they're getting in on it. I don't want to get in on it. I just want to make everything right happen. Speaker 1 01:08:56 And I mean, it's always the easiest to produce a song when the song's just a great song. Right. I makes genius a Speaker 3 01:09:02 Hundred percent easiest. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:09:03 Yeah. Speaker 3 01:09:04 Yeah. I feel Luke comes the easiest production. Right. And yeah, it's like, no, it's great. He's gonna sing Great Man plays it great. Uh, what was the guy, the dude that did, uh, the Tom Petty records and uh, he said, they were saying, oh, how do you, man, how do you make a big hit like that? And he said, well, you, you take a great band with a great singer that has great songs and then you put a shaker on top of that <laugh>. And that's what he said. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel the same exact way. It was a minus the shaker. Uh, Speaker 1 01:09:34 I mean, playing the songs live is so easy. You don't even have to do anything. You just play the chords and the crowd sings 90% of it anyway. <laugh>, they're louder than the fucking pa. So who cares that the band's good. You know, I mean we, you know, try, but it's like the songs play themselves. Really. Speaker 3 01:09:49 Yeah. And we've tried super hard at 50 Egg, which is, you know, mine and Luke's thing and, and Tally's, uh, production company, I mean, um, publishing company is, uh, that we kind of, it's like they're great singers and they're great songwriters, period. And then we kind of know how to do that. So you're kind of just hedging your bets. It's like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there's a great singer and there's a great, and they can write great songs and then how can we go wrong in that world? Right. And then that's, that served us super well and I know everybody else is trying to do the same thing. It's just that I picked them better than everybody else. <laugh>. True. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:10:26 No doubt. Hell yeah. Preach. Right on man. Man, that's so inspir. I've had such an inspiring day today. Musically Good. I haven't played one note of music today, but I'm like ready to, I'm like glad I live in Nashville today. Oh Speaker 2 01:10:38 Yeah. It's a beautiful place. Speaker 1 01:10:39 Yeah. Speaker 3 01:10:40 Yeah man. It's always good. It Speaker 2 01:10:43 Has. Speaker 1 01:10:44 Well, appreciate you, uh, shooting the shit with us for time long. Thank you. I was thank Speaker 2 01:10:48 Yeah, we're gonna make you play a song or two with Kurt. Speaker 3 01:10:50 I would love to. Let's see it. Speaker 1 01:10:51 Yeah. All Speaker 3 01:10:51 Right. Speaker 2 01:10:52 Well guys, thanks for listening to the podcast. Make sure you follow Jonathan Single in. Definitely not on TikTok cuz he is not on there. So that'd be a fake account. Speaker 1 01:10:59 Follow 50 Egg. Yeah, Speaker 2 01:11:01 Follow 50 Egg if they have a TikTok. I don't know if they do or not. <laugh>. Speaker 3 01:11:04 I don't know if we do either Speaker 2 01:11:06 <laugh>, but uh, the amount of hits coming outta that room and probably some of this room too is great man. I know you had a chance to sit down before, but this one's pretty special being here. Thanks for having us. Oh, Speaker 4 01:11:17 This fun man. Thank you. Yeah, Speaker 2 01:11:19 I'm sure we'll do it Speaker 4 01:11:19 Again. Absolutely. I'd Speaker 2 01:11:20 Love to. Absolutely. Yeah. And eventually you're gonna find this pop punk cover record <laugh>. I bet you it'll be on Spotify eventually, right? You're gonna put it Speaker 4 01:11:27 Yeah. Yeah, I know. Coming soon. Coming soon. Speaker 2 01:11:29 Yeah, coming soon. Love that. Well guys, I'm Nikki t I'm Kurts on. We'll see you in the front row. Hell Speaker 4 01:11:35 Yeah. Thanks man. Oh, thank y'all. I've had a large mouth bus. My line. Couple beautiful Speaker 5 01:12:03 Girls Speaker 4 01:12:04 See me. Goodbye. Trucks breakdown. Dogs run off. Politician being fired by the ball. I but Speaker 5 01:12:30 Never broke my heart. Like diamond rains and foots of Dream just on this guitar. Never broke my Speaker 4 01:12:58 She was blue Jean Baby Rise at drove me crazy. It was Red Tail light. She left town. I didn't know then I sure. Speaker 5 01:13:20 Diamond Speaker 4 01:13:54 One hand scooping down on something cool. One man, it's gripping down on Speaker 0 01:14:15 Diamond.