Episode 128 - Graham Barham

Speaker 1 00:00:01 Guys on this week's podcast, we get to sit down with a 24 year old superstar in the making. That's my words, not his, uh, Graham Barum. Speaker 2 00:00:09 Yeah. This kid is a killer writer and a monster singer. Like, we tracked some songs and he just won take to everything. He's a beast. Speaker 1 00:00:19 Yes. It's super cool to watch his star grow here in town and then on social media as well. Uh, we are so happy to have him on the podcast and you can check out his performance of Kurt playing doper with him. Got some clips of that. And we have even more over on our Patreon. So if you haven't subscribed to our Patreon, we would absolutely love if you do Speaker 2 00:00:38 Five bucks. Not a big deal. Come on. Speaker 1 00:00:41 Yeah. Well, this is Graham Barum podcast on the Ray Roddy podcast. I'm Nicky Speaker 2 00:00:46 T. I'm Kurt Ozo Speaker 1 00:00:47 America. That's how you know it's a good podcast. That's how you know it's a bad podcast. Speaker 2 00:01:26 <laugh>. Dude, I love flush of these buttons so much. Well, Speaker 1 00:01:30 Our, our plan is to have different things on these buttons that like, mean something to us, but we are not there yet. So this is just the sock stuff. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:01:39 It's dumb. That's true. It's incredible. Oh, Speaker 1 00:01:41 Hold on. I'm gonna finish the one before Speaker 2 00:01:43 We start. Okay. These buttons might not mean much to you, but they do <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:01:49 But they're ev Speaker 2 00:01:50 They're everything. Kurt Speaker 0 00:01:51 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:01:52 One more. Speaker 3 00:02:00 How good is your like, uh, like, uh, I'm Nicky t this is 98.7 lacrosse. Speaker 1 00:02:06 Uh, not as good as Matt Burrells, but like, pretty solid. Speaker 3 00:02:09 It's his like, fucking gnarly, isn't it, Speaker 1 00:02:10 Dude? Yeah. He's, he's been in radio since college, so his is just like Speaker 2 00:02:13 Perfect. We used to have a radio show and it would take us like eight hours to record a three hour show. Yes. Speaker 1 00:02:18 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:02:19 It was brutal. Speaker 1 00:02:20 We, yeah. I would like do some of the work before I got to Kurt and it would still take us like five hours. Speaker 2 00:02:25 <laugh> it. Nick would be like, all right, we're gonna play an Eric Church song and then a Luke Comb song, and then your job is to say, that was, you know, record year. This next song is like, best of me. I'd be like, all right, cool. Yeah, that song was, uh, record. Ah, shit. It would just have to like do it like it took so long. It's really hard. Yeah. But just like anything, you practice it and get better at it, Speaker 1 00:02:47 Those radio folks are good at it. Bri was like, dude, we could do a four hour radio show in an hour and a half. And I was like, what kind of magic is this? He's like, yeah, dude, I just have, I place all the songs. And then we just get up up there and we just talk for like an hour. It'll be done. I was like, well, let's start another radio show then. Damn. You Speaker 3 00:03:04 Know, <laugh>, does he do anything here like in Nashville? Speaker 1 00:03:06 He hasn't done any radio stuff here. He's like, yeah, I think that's like what he was trying to do when he moved to town, but he hasn't yet. Okay. Speaker 3 00:03:12 So Speaker 2 00:03:13 My dad always said I had a face for radio <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:03:16 Yeah. You're real good. Listen, Speaker 2 00:03:18 <laugh>. Oh Speaker 3 00:03:19 God. That was almost as good as the milk joke. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:03:21 Yeah. Oh God. Uh, get this button away from me. I'm not gonna push it until the end of the podcast. I'm done. All Speaker 1 00:03:27 Right. No more buttons Speaker 2 00:03:28 For Kurt Graham. Welcome to the podcast. Raise Rowdy podcast, official intro cheer. Speaker 1 00:03:32 Thank you for being here, brother Cheer. Cheers for cheer. Drinking delicious beer with us. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Absolutely. Cheer Bush light, whatever you're into. You know what I mean? I think it's Speaker 2 00:03:40 Great. I think it's great. Speaker 3 00:03:42 Happy to be here, Speaker 2 00:03:43 Dude. Awesome. We just jammed. Yes. Are we, did we say that? Yeah. Speaker 1 00:03:47 Well, you guys will hear the jam after, but the jam has happened before. Speaker 2 00:03:50 You're a singing motherfucker. Dude. <laugh> dude. Seriously, you're a killer. Speaker 3 00:03:54 Thank you, brother. I appreciate Speaker 2 00:03:55 That. You know, we've been really lucky, um, cause we do like a song with the artists 99% of the time. Yeah. And we've never had anyone like, not be able to do it, you know? Yeah. That's Speaker 3 00:04:08 Bad. I was actually thinking about that when I walked in. I was like, if I fuck this up, like, Speaker 2 00:04:11 Yeah, but you, you crushed it, dude. You one took it every time. And we had to do one song extra time. Cause I had my guitar turned off <laugh>. Yeah. Oh my deal bro. Turned off. But dude, you're super talented kid, man. Speaker 3 00:04:22 Thank you man. I appreciate it. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:04:24 So how long have you been in town? Officially? Speaker 3 00:04:26 Yeah. Dude, I've been here since I was 18. Yeah. So Speaker 2 00:04:31 Two Speaker 3 00:04:32 Years. I'm like doing like, why am I, why am I doing math? Nah. I'm 24, so Yeah. Speaker 2 00:04:36 So six years. Six. Speaker 3 00:04:37 Yeah. Like a little over five. Um, Speaker 1 00:04:41 So when did you graduate from school? Speaker 3 00:04:42 Uh, I graduated. So I graduated high school in 17. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> moved to Nashville. Um, Speaker 2 00:04:51 Dude, I'm old man. <laugh> Speaker 1 00:04:52 You. Speaker 3 00:04:53 Yeah. I like, I just wanted to move to Nashville. I was like, I want to, I, I knew like a few people I knew, like a, I knew like a few people that had like done like, that were from like my area of Louisiana. Like Laney Wilson grew up like 20 minutes to my right. Dylan Scott grew up like 20 minutes to my left. And Tim McGraw grew up like five minutes down the road from me. And I was like, these people that are like doing this are, Speaker 1 00:05:16 They have my same voice. They're Speaker 3 00:05:18 In Nashville. Right? Speaker 1 00:05:19 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:05:20 And this accident, you know. So I started Googling like Nashville schools, you know, and, uh, Belmont came up Right. And Speaker 2 00:05:32 I was like, I did the same thing. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:05:34 <laugh>. I was like, there's no way I'm gonna be able to go there. Like, so expensive and all that good jazz. But yeah. Worked, worked through it and, and did school in like three years and got out and Speaker 2 00:05:44 Oh, so you, I didn't know you went to Belmont. Yeah. What'd you study there? Speaker 3 00:05:47 I did music business. Speaker 2 00:05:48 Oh, cool. Yeah. That's smart. Speaker 3 00:05:49 Yeah. Nobody knows. I went, I'm like super like, proud of it too. Yeah. Like, I'm not, like, I know like, some people are like, ah, I went to Belmont. Like, I think it's sick. Like, I was like, I, I grew up on a farm in a town of 115 people. So like being around that like that environment was just like a complete culture shock. Right. Um, I needed that, you know? Yeah. I didn't grow up around that kind of shit. Right. So like, that was cool to me. Yeah. You Speaker 2 00:06:14 Know, the guys in Luke's band always made fun of me. Cause I went to like music school. They're like, I'm like, oh yeah, when I lived in Boston or whatever. And Tyler's like, what school did you go to? And I'm like, Berkeley College of Music. Speaker 1 00:06:25 <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:06:25 Yeah. Then this dude's being like, eh, I just kind of like, I'm not really like musically inclined. I just like practice bullshit <laugh> doing to Berkeley. Speaker 2 00:06:32 <laugh>. Well, it's true. I practice a lot. That's the same thing. Just like, you know, you're saying you practice a guitar all the time now. Yeah. That's what it takes. Speaker 3 00:06:39 Definitely. Speaker 1 00:06:40 Getting better at your craft man, whatever it is. Dry. Speaker 3 00:06:42 Yeah, definitely dry. Speaker 1 00:06:44 That's like, we would listen to our radio show and we're like, well that was pretty dumb. We probably shouldn't do that again. Speaker 3 00:06:48 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:06:49 <laugh>. No. We got better at it. Speaker 1 00:06:50 Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 2 00:06:51 Maybe our podcast is getting better. Speaker 1 00:06:53 I would like to think so. Speaker 2 00:06:54 <laugh>, I think the, the less I the buttons on the podcast, the better, the better the podcast gets. Speaker 1 00:06:59 That probably like blows up Charlie's thing where he has to like edit it down so hard. Speaker 2 00:07:04 I'm not, it's hard Speaker 1 00:07:05 Charlie, sorry Charlie, we love you, but man. Yeah. I'm glad this worked out. So the first time you, uh, played Rowdy on the Row, it was you and Matt Schuster and was it Bo? Speaker 3 00:07:18 Yeah, it was Speaker 1 00:07:20 Gavin. Speaker 3 00:07:21 No, it was me and Shoey and Bo. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was me, Shu and Gab. Yeah. Because he's gonna kill me for this. But that was G's first round. I knows dude had a number one song and had never played a songwriting round. I Speaker 1 00:07:35 Know. He was nervous, man. Speaker 2 00:07:36 Bailey's first concert ever. They first show he is ever played with Ray was Speaker 3 00:07:40 Razor rowdy. Speaker 2 00:07:41 Yeah. Isn't that wild? Yeah. And his first live full band show was on a festival opening for Luke Combs. Speaker 1 00:07:48 Yeah. So crazy. Speaker 3 00:07:49 That dude is an anomaly. He's a Justin Bieber country music. Speaker 2 00:07:52 They played, they played a Nickelback song. I remember. Cause I was like walking on the Fairground. I'm like, is this band playing like photograph right now or something? <laugh>. And it was, it's like, hell yes. Speaker 1 00:08:03 I mean, we're back there, dude. It's cool. Kind of like the music. A lot of it's like 2005 Rock, you know? Yeah. Bailey's stuff. Definitely. You hear it in Josh Ross's stuff a lot too. Yeah. It just, it kind of sounds like that same vibe, you know? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:08:18 Well I feel like a lot of that has to do with probably Austin Shawn who's producing him. Yeah. He's an absolute goat. Speaker 1 00:08:22 Yep. So he's so good. We've had him on the pod. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:08:25 He Speaker 2 00:08:26 Was sick. Podcast alumni. Speaker 3 00:08:27 Yeah. <laugh>. He's awesome. Part Speaker 1 00:08:29 Of the family. Well, so you got outta school and when did you graduate? What year? Speaker 3 00:08:34 I graduated in 2020. Cool. So, so Covid content. Speaker 1 00:08:37 Huh? Covid content. Speaker 3 00:08:39 Yeah. Dude, I, I actually was only in the classroom for like, no shit. Two years. Speaker 1 00:08:45 That's so loud. Speaker 3 00:08:46 And then I was taking online school and I was working, I worked all through Covid. Yeah. Like, I was bartending and do, I used to do like event staff and stuff, like Speaker 2 00:08:55 All, I did that in college too. It's Speaker 3 00:08:57 Terrible. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I did it outta college. I did it up until like same few months ago. Speaker 1 00:09:02 <laugh>, we gotta make money, man. That's Speaker 2 00:09:03 How it works. I just big like, like bar backing or like waiting Oh yeah. On big events. I used to do that all the time. Speaker 3 00:09:09 Yeah. I I think it's so cool. Like, I heard this guy one time where, um, he was like, I don't trust anybody that doesn't know their way around a soda gun. Yeah. And I was like, Speaker 2 00:09:20 Yeah, it's like, Speaker 3 00:09:21 Or a POS system. I was like, for sure. Shit. That is a wild way of thinking about it. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:09:25 You know, everyone should have to work in the service industry. Speaker 3 00:09:29 I don't give a shit what you do. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:09:30 Like, you just get so many social skills from it too. Speaker 2 00:09:34 The empathy, I think. Yes, for sure. Being the number one dude. Speaker 3 00:09:37 Yeah. I can Speaker 2 00:09:39 Beer Speaker 3 00:09:39 Burp. I can tell. Yeah. I can tell within, like if I'm with somebody that I've never eaten with before, I can tell within 30 seconds if they've worked in service industry. Yep. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:09:49 Like at a restaurant, Speaker 3 00:09:51 You know, immediately how you res like how you respond to Speaker 2 00:09:54 And like treating servers bad. I've worked in too many restaurants. Speaker 1 00:09:57 Biggest red flag ever. Speaker 2 00:09:58 Yeah. It's, Speaker 3 00:09:58 It's the biggest turn off Speaker 1 00:10:00 For me. Well, same. Yep. Yeah. It's like, nope, this ain't the one. Speaker 2 00:10:03 Yeah. No doubt. Speaker 1 00:10:04 The, the way you treat people that you don't have to treat well means the most to me. Yeah. Because everyone's gonna treat someone nice that's a label head. Totally. Everyone's gonna treat someone nice that's like, you know, they wanna like be nice to, or they want something from mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But how you treat someone that you don't like or someone that you don't have to like, I think means more to me. That's when you really see someone's character. Speaker 3 00:10:28 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:10:29 I agree. I always know when, when Nick is like pissed off at someone, I know that person really fucked up. Cuz Nick is nice to everybody. Speaker 3 00:10:36 Yeah. That's the truth. Speaker 1 00:10:37 Yeah. I've only, I've only been super mean to a few people in town, Speaker 2 00:10:40 But they deserved it. Speaker 1 00:10:41 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:10:41 Yeah. I couldn't see you being like, Speaker 1 00:10:44 Dude, I know I'm not like that. That's why I feel Speaker 2 00:10:46 Like I couldn't, it's not even that bad. It's Speaker 3 00:10:47 Not that bad. Speaker 2 00:10:47 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:10:48 He's Speaker 3 00:10:49 Like the disappointed dad. Yes, exactly. It's not like he's like to say that he's not like actually mad. He's just like disappointed, which is way worse. And being, Speaker 1 00:10:56 I have, I definitely have my switch, man. Like I am a big teddy bearer for sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, that's like, aw, that's what I am. But if you cross me in the wrong way, uh, that switch. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:11:07 Flicks. It's like Philly comes out in you. Speaker 1 00:11:09 Well, it's not Philly, but Pittsburgh. Yeah. Pit Speaker 3 00:11:11 Even worse. Yeah. I don't know. It's steelworker. Speaker 2 00:11:14 No, now it's gonna come out in Nick. You call him Philly. Oh no. Oh yeah, Speaker 1 00:11:18 We're good. I, uh, it used to be like when I get slapped in the face, yeah. I would just go red. But I've have better control over it a little bit now. Speaker 2 00:11:27 I've done that before too. Speaker 1 00:11:28 Yeah. When I was like younger, if you would slap me in the face and I didn't know it was coming, I would tackle you to the ground immediately. Like really, I would just, I would just go red and like my first instinct was wrap my arms around you so you wouldn't do that again. And like, put you on the ground, you know? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:11:42 I gotta find, I gotta find middle school. I got suspended middle school for that. Like that. Yeah. Someone hit me on the neck with a rubber band as a joke. This kid, I didn't Speaker 3 00:11:50 Know. Oh. Like a bee sting or they like got you with like a piece of paper. Paper in a rubber band. Exactly. Speaker 2 00:11:54 Yeah. But it was right on the back of my neck and I like blacked out and just started swinging. Yeah. This kid, I didn't even know. He was just fucking with me. Speaker 1 00:12:01 <laugh>, that's, that's like human instinct more than anything in my per opinion. Like, you can kind of control that to extent. But usually for me, like when it would happen, it would, I'd be in the middle of it and then I'd realize what was happening <laugh> and I'd be like, oh, I Speaker 2 00:12:15 Looked down. Yeah. And the kid was on the ground and everyone was staring at me and I was just like, oh shit. Like I'm in trouble. Speaker 1 00:12:20 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:12:21 It's just like, yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:22 The, those old school instincts from like, when we weren't domesticated, <laugh>, you know, <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:12:28 Yeah. I've, I've kept pretty times. That's good. Speaker 2 00:12:31 Have you ever been, uh, suspended from school? Speaker 1 00:12:33 I Speaker 3 00:12:33 Was. Speaker 2 00:12:34 Mm-hmm. What'd you get suspended for Nick? Speaker 1 00:12:36 Uh, drinking ba at a away girls basketball game when I was 16. Speaker 3 00:12:41 That's so hard. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:42 <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:12:42 What a badass. So Speaker 1 00:12:44 Dumb dude. Like, he was like so dumb. Speaker 3 00:12:46 Were you leading the chance with a beer or something? Speaker 1 00:12:48 We were in the parking lot grilling food. It was, I'm Catholic. Speaker 2 00:12:52 Something's never change, man. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:54 And it was like Good Friday and we were grilling burgers. <laugh> tough. Yeah. We're just dumb dude. We were just dumb Speaker 3 00:13:01 Kids. Dude. I was in church on, uh, Sunday and I realized that like Lance about to come up and that's brutal. Speaker 1 00:13:07 It's coming. Are you Catholic too? Speaker 3 00:13:08 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:13:09 Yeah. Sam, I got that good Catholic guilt in me. Yeah. From when I was younger, you Speaker 3 00:13:13 Know, dude, I'm like, I'm like, I'm half Cajun. Yeah. So like, I'm like, my mom's like turbo Catholic. Yeah. So everything is like, you know, don't go to church, go to hell type Catholic. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:13:24 Turbo Catholic. Turbo Speaker 1 00:13:25 Catholic. It's a Speaker 3 00:13:26 Great tur. Like Yeah. It's like a whole new vibe of Speaker 1 00:13:29 Catholic. That's crazy. Speaker 3 00:13:30 Um, especially in Louisiana, like in the South with like that culture. Like right now, this time of year is just nuts. Like with Mardi Gra and Speaker 2 00:13:37 I've seen Water Boy. So I kind of get the gist. <laugh> <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:13:41 That's, yeah. Speaker 1 00:13:42 That's a Speaker 3 00:13:42 Great, actually no, like, that's a great interpretation of Speaker 1 00:13:44 Theola. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so growing up, like what music did your family listen to and like, what did you get like grown up on? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:13:54 Man, this is, it is kind of, it blows my mind. Like, thinking back on it, my pops didn't really listen to country music. Um, he was always playing like anything Chris Cornell. Yeah. You know, like sound, sound Garden, obviously, you know, uh, temple the dog. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:14:15 Um, I love your dad. He's probably Speaker 3 00:14:17 My age. He's, he's his favorite. Speaker 1 00:14:18 He's a beast. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:14:19 But like, he, yeah. No, we, like, I remember when I got a little bit older, y'all know, uh, Creed's album with the stopwatch on it. Oh, yeah. Uh, I remember the CD was in his truck and he'd always have that in there and he be like, can you tag me? Hi. Or, Speaker 1 00:14:34 Yeah. Like, Speaker 2 00:14:36 I have to had to go there. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:14:38 I have it on vinyl out there, so Speaker 3 00:14:40 Play there. Creed's awesome. Yeah. <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:14:41 But, uh, human clay. Speaker 1 00:14:43 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:14:43 I listened to that. Like, he was always playing that. And my mom's big eighties gal. So always some, some kind Speaker 2 00:14:50 Of like rat or poison or something or, Speaker 3 00:14:52 Yeah. Oh, my dad loves bonjovi poison. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Kid rock. Big kid. Rock guy. Oh, yeah. Um, but yeah, like, not a whole lot of country, but obviously, I mean, when you grow up, like in that environment, you're gonna be listening to country music. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:15:05 Growing up on a farm. Speaker 3 00:15:06 Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're, you're like, you can't get away from it. Yeah. You know? Speaker 1 00:15:11 Did you work, uh, at all through like high school or Speaker 3 00:15:15 Oh, yeah. Speaker 1 00:15:15 Yeah. Tell us a little bit about that. Speaker 3 00:15:18 I realized really quickly that that was not what I wanted to do. Yeah. <laugh>, you know, like how they tell you, like, you gained like a lot of respect for your parents as you get older. Yes. I gained a lot from my dad when I was really young. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:15:31 Um, love that. Speaker 3 00:15:32 Yeah. I just realized that like, that was not something that I think is really cool. Um, that my dad always says is like, people love to like, make shows and like tv like TV shows and glorifying shit that's just like, not glorifying. Like, it's just not pretty. Yeah. For instance, like being a cowboy not an awesome job. Right. Being a police officer. Right. Really hard fucking job. Right. But like all these TV shows that we watch on like syndicated television are like about that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and it's like, there is nothing glorifying about being a farmer. That shit is hard. Right. Like, that is like, not everybody, like, growing ups. Like Yeah, I wanna be a farmer and like have a phone. Like the washing Yellowstone. Yeah. Fuck that. I don't wanna do that at all. <laugh>, you know? Yeah. Um, Speaker 2 00:16:17 It's, I meant Speaker 3 00:16:19 I have a tremendous amount Speaker 2 00:16:20 Of respect. I have friends that grew up on farms and it's just like their dads are getting up at like, so early and they're like falling asleep after dinner. It's like six o'clock they're falling asleep already, you know, it's like, it's not even dark yet. Like Yeah. But it's so important, obviously. Speaker 3 00:16:34 Right? Yeah. My mom was a superhero. Like my pops when, um, during harvest season, I mean, he would, he'd be up way before we'd get up to go to school and then he'd be, I mean, we'd never see him come in at night. A lot of nights, like during harvest season. Yeah. Um, my mom would like make him a plate and throw it in loving. Yeah. And he'd just like grab it on his way in. Crazy. Um, yeah. Speaker 2 00:16:55 So what were y'all growing Speaker 3 00:16:58 Grain, like cotton core. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, soybean beans, rice, weed. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Speaker 2 00:17:02 Um, soybeans. That's my food. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:17:05 <laugh> Speaker 1 00:17:05 Cur likes the trees. That's what he likes to eat. Yeah. That's his favorite beans and trees. Speaker 2 00:17:09 Yeah. No doubt. <laugh> bean life. Well, hell yeah, man. That's awesome. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:17:13 Yeah. So you got to town, went to school. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, started writing songs. Who were like some of your co-writers that you wrote with a lot during like school? Speaker 3 00:17:23 Oh man, I'm trying to think. Speaker 2 00:17:25 I know like the FTL guys came up together at Belmont. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:17:29 There's actually a lot of Belmont guys. No, for sure. Um, Speaker 2 00:17:33 Devin Dawson. Speaker 3 00:17:33 Devin Dawson. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:17:35 Kurt Ozan. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:17:36 <laugh>. Well, there's a lot of people too. It's funny, like you graduated, but a lot of people go there. They'll go for like a year, make all their connections and then they'll bail. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:17:45 I did a terrible job. Um, I got away from country music like probably a year after I moved to town. Uhhuh <affirmative>. I just like didn't want anything to do with it anymore. Um, started writing like hip hop and like, you know, was still like writing country music and stuff. Yeah. But like, not really kind of fell outta love with the whole thing. And, um, yeah. So like, I, I like, but like when I moved to town, I was like in that would've been in that class of like, Lauren Wine Tribe, Peyton Porter. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, I went to school with like Kenzie Carpenter. Ashley Cook was a good, it still is a friend of mine. Um, I'm trying to think of others that were like in that. Yeah. That whole, that crew. Yeah. It's a talented group. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Way more talented than me. No, Speaker 1 00:18:32 A hundred percent. Equally. Equally. Speaker 3 00:18:33 Yeah. <laugh>. But like, I was just like always surrounded with some really talented people and like, all those people are like awesome people too. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, you know, that's the important part. Yeah. It's nice to say. Yeah. Um, but I kinda like got away from that, that whole crowd. Um, I just like, started kinda like getting away from country music and, um, yeah. I found my way back into it, uh, probably like a year and a half ago. Speaker 1 00:19:02 Anything in particular that like, brought you back in? Was it like a co-writer Speaker 3 00:19:05 Or, yeah, I was like, about a movie Fall home. Really? I was done. No shit. Yeah. I was, I was done. I, like, I, I just, man, like I, I've said this before and like, I'm, you know, I'm not ashamed of it. I like, I was just like sick of, I was like seeing my dad, like, on a farm and, um, like going through the shit he was going through and it, it was just like tough. Like, there's a lot of hurricanes. Like farming is a rough and like, it's a lifestyle, not a living. Yeah. Like, you, like do it all the time. Yeah. And like, I felt like I was just like working with people that like, didn't understand that. And I had a huge chip on my shoulder too. Like, I was like, you don't, you don't know what country is like, you don't know how I grew up, which is like not the way to be at all mm-hmm. Speaker 3 00:19:47 <affirmative>. Um, but I was immature and I was that way. And so I like just kind of quit writing with people in town. And I was writing with my buddy Bo mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, we were writing country songs together. The guy you got in the fist fight with? Yeah. <laugh>. Okay, cool. <laugh>. Yeah. It was my buddy <laugh> and, uh, dude, we started like really being, I was like, so backtrack. Uh, my buddy Will Bundy, who was like one of my first friends in town who's now producing me mm-hmm. <affirmative>, brilliant writer, great dude. Super talented. Um, I texted him a demo that I had written for a song for Bailey. And, um, I was like, Hey dude, like I've been like singing on demos again. Um, this is like something I did. And he called me on the phone and was like, holy shit, dude. Speaker 3 00:20:34 He was like, are you about to start releasing music, like as an artist? And I was like, no, <laugh>. I was like, this is a song for somebody else. And he was like, oh, wow. And that was about the time that I was done. I was like, I think I'm gonna move back home. I didn't really know what I was gonna gonna do. And, uh, he had dinner with me one night and he was like, give it one year. Two months later, I put, I had that song went viral. Yeah. Like, maybe less than that. Had the first one go viral. So I, yeah. I was checked out Speaker 1 00:21:03 Crazy. Speaker 2 00:21:03 Damn. That's wild, man. Speaker 3 00:21:05 Yeah, dude, my credit will, I, I credit Will Bundy to, to for the reason that I'm still in this town. For sure. Speaker 1 00:21:11 Bless you. Will Bundy. Yes. Speaker 3 00:21:12 Thank you. Will. Yeah. Continue to continue to bless that man. For, for, for believing in me, but yeah, wild. Speaker 1 00:21:18 It's crazy, honestly, like stories like that aren't super uncommon. It's like when you get to the point of breaking, it's like that's when the art artistry really comes through, you know? For sure. Yeah. It's like, it's just like anything, like all those nineties rock guys like had drug problems. Like now the new version to doing that is just like being worn out, thankfully. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:21:39 You know, <laugh> Speaker 2 00:21:40 Totally don't do heroin. Kids, please. Speaker 3 00:21:42 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:21:42 But it's like whatever that is, that takes you to that point, that's where the deepest and most heartfelt art comes from, oftentimes mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know? Speaker 3 00:21:51 Totally. Speaker 1 00:21:51 So, bless the people that can be in the best head space all the time and still write smashes, <laugh>, you know? Yeah, Speaker 3 00:21:57 Dude. Speaker 2 00:21:57 Well said buddy. Speaker 3 00:21:58 Yeah. Yeah. But Speaker 1 00:22:00 So, um, songs started going viral mostly on TikTok to start, right? Yeah. And then tell us about like, the first one. Speaker 3 00:22:08 Yeah. I, dude, I, I was so anti TikTok. Yeah. And like, I was just anti like, being on your phone so much. Like, I just look at people and they're just like mindlessly scrolling. Now I have no room to talk <laugh> because it's like, you know, I feel like I'm on, I'm on my phone all the time, you know? Uh, I try not, I believe it or not, I don't consume that much social media. Um, I'm more on it like posting myself Yeah. Or like trying to interact with, um, comments and messages. But I don't like, like I have to have other people be like, yo, this is Trenton in right now. Like, this is what's going on. Cuz I'm not really paying attention. I'm kind of like in this other bag of like, you know, trying to stay focused on the songs. Yep. Um, Speaker 2 00:22:55 I've seen like people just like get sucked in the TikTok. Like, I have a TikTok, but I post on there and then I don't like scroll. I don't, I can't. Or else I'll just get Yeah. I, I'll get sucked in. And plus I hate that it, it's so noisy, such a noisy app and like, you open it and it just starts playing stuff. Right. I'm like, I'm not ready for this. Let me check my shit first and then maybe I'll watch something, but it's just yelling at me. I'm just like, it gives me anxiety, man. But I, I'll post like a video of you playing steel guitar on there and I drop it and like, all right, go get out. Yeah. Get away from me, Speaker 3 00:23:29 Dude. I feel like I'm on reels more than I'm on TikTok, Sam. I love reels. Yeah. And it's usually like, just like hunting shit or like random videos, the Niagara Falls. I don't know what that's been popping up here. So Speaker 1 00:23:40 <laugh>, it's like, yeah. I watched some really dumb stuff. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:23:43 <laugh>. Um, but yeah, Speaker 2 00:23:46 We all have our vices man. For sure. Speaker 3 00:23:48 Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, mine's definitely this Speaker 1 00:23:51 <laugh>. Cheers to that. Speaker 3 00:23:51 Amen. Um, but yeah, dude, I mean, like, I was, I, uh, my roommate who like had this big TikTok account, um, invited me out to, when I told him, I was like, dude, I think I'm gonna like give this one last shot and I'm done. And he was like, well, I have this platform. Um, you know, on TikTok, he was like, if you want to be involved, if you want people to know who you are, you have to be on social media. And I was like, uh mm-hmm. And then I posed a video and went viral and I was like, Speaker 2 00:24:33 Okay. And the dopa the dopamine starts dripping. Speaker 3 00:24:36 Give me my Yeah. It's that. It's that. But it's also like, okay, if that's what I have to do to do what I want to do to influence people the way that I want to influence them, so be it. Right. If I have to take videos of me screaming in my truck, like there's songs coming out. Yeah. Like, you know, like Yeah. So be it. Like if I have to do that for an hour and a half outta my day and I get to write songs, the other, you know, part of the day and like I get to go sing them. Yep. Fine. Speaker 2 00:25:08 Yep. Better than cater staff, for sure. Speaker 3 00:25:10 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:25:11 Be sticking ditches, man. Speaker 3 00:25:12 Yep. No doubt. No doubt. Speaker 1 00:25:14 It's, it's one of those things too where it's like Speaker 3 00:25:17 Whatever Speaker 1 00:25:17 You happen to be coming up when that platform's the thing that's working, you gotta use Speaker 3 00:25:22 It. Yeah. Well, you be foolish Speaker 1 00:25:23 Mountains. Yeah. It's just, it's like free candy, you know? Yeah. And it's not in a bad van, you know, it's like free candy, just like chilling on the side of the road from Speaker 2 00:25:31 A parade, but then you get addicted to the free Speaker 3 00:25:32 Candy. Yeah. <laugh>. Well, I feel like it's also as, you know, being a, a man and like, sometimes I feel like a boy when I'm on, you know, making videos on TikTok and it's like, Speaker 2 00:25:44 I've seen some, not yours, but I have seen some pretty cringey adults doing Speaker 3 00:25:49 Like, yeah. Speaker 2 00:25:51 So like that South Park episode we were just talking about. Yeah. Yeah. They're just like coming with their kids in the show, but they're like dancing with the face filters on and going, me, me, me, me, me, me, me or Speaker 3 00:26:00 Whatever. Those people are mentally ill Speaker 2 00:26:01 <laugh>. Yeah. No doubt. Speaker 3 00:26:02 No, I, uh, man, I don't fault anybody that does social media. I think Speaker 2 00:26:06 Same. Speaker 3 00:26:07 You can't because the, the thing about it is the ones that are like really social media famous that people are making fun of, they're laughing so hard at those people because, like to the bank too. All the way to the bank. Yep. Like, I can take a six second video of me dancing with my shirt off and make like, BCUs and money and have a house and like, you know, Wes Hollywood or Brentwood, like, yep. Okay. Speaker 2 00:26:30 <laugh>. Yeah, I would Speaker 3 00:26:30 Do that too. You can't tell me you wouldn't try. Yeah. No Speaker 1 00:26:33 Doubt. Oh, um, a hundred Speaker 3 00:26:34 Percent. I ain't got moves like that, so <laugh>. True. Um, but yeah, dude, so it's everything. Social media's everything and it ain't going away. Speaker 1 00:26:43 No, absolutely not. Speaker 2 00:26:44 Um, I will say that if you are interested in dialing back from it a little bit, I gotta plug this book I read. It's fucking awesome. It's called Stolen Focus, and it's all about the erosion of like, our attention span as like a society and it's social media. It's such a great read. It's a whole podcast on its own. I'm not gonna dive into it, but if you wanna get off your phone a little bit or at least be more aware of like what your patterns are, definitely check it out. Speaker 1 00:27:08 That's cool. I just smoke weed instead. Speaker 2 00:27:10 True. Well, if I smoke weed, I'm like glued to social media and I'm just like in bed watching start trek with like four screens and I'm like, ah, Speaker 3 00:27:19 Dude, I'm just stupid when I smoked Speaker 2 00:27:22 <laugh>. Yeah. Same. Like, Speaker 3 00:27:24 I, I hadn't smoked pot in probably six months. I Speaker 2 00:27:28 Just like, it's been a fee for me. Speaker 3 00:27:29 Yeah. I just, I get dumb and, and I don't, like, some people are like, I get social anxiety level, like, nah, I don't, I like, I'm cool. Like, I don't care. I have no shame. Like when I'm like in public. Yeah. It's always been something that's been a blessing and a curse, but like, I never got nerve like anxious. I just was dumb. And it like, having to reiterate yourself and like all, you're Speaker 1 00:27:49 Like, I'm dumb enough, regular. Speaker 3 00:27:50 Yeah. Like, no, I am, I'm like, I already have to like, oh, I already have to think, you know, twice more than somebody else. So Speaker 2 00:27:56 <laugh>. Yeah, no doubt. I, I'm likes Speaker 3 00:27:58 Like, yeah, dude, I've been around here for an hour and I definitely know <laugh> that you have to think on double top. No, Speaker 2 00:28:04 I'm just, I'm just thinking about my own shit, you know? Yeah. I'm not like, some people like go out like to the bar high and like are around a bunch of people. I don't do that, but I like Speaker 3 00:28:14 Watching, which is totally cool. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:28:15 That's fine. You know, I just like, if I'm high, like I'd wanna watch a movie and eat popcorn. Speaker 3 00:28:20 Me too. Well, Speaker 1 00:28:21 There's d Yeah. For me it's like, there's a part of it where it's like that little bit of social anxiety that I have I can get rid of with like one hit before I go to the bar and then I have like two beers in and I'm not drinking 10 beers and I'm like, this is great. I don't feel like trash the next Speaker 2 00:28:37 Day. Yeah. It's like 50 million times cheaper. Oh Speaker 1 00:28:40 Yeah. It's like $4. Yeah. <laugh>. And then I go home and I'm like, that was blessed. Now I'm going Speaker 2 00:28:46 To eat. Now it's time for popcorn. Speaker 1 00:28:47 Yeah. Now I'm gonna eat a thousand pounds of popcorn, but Speaker 2 00:28:50 Beer is good for you too. It's just a different way. Speaker 3 00:28:54 I use, I use bag. Speaker 1 00:28:55 Yeah. Yeah. I use both kind of like, like I don't drink beer here at the house unless someone's here drinking with me. And then it's still like, not a lot. I've been trying to cut back. Uh, I'll give away one of my secrets. But like, when I'm at Rowdy on the row, I will fill up my can of beer with water. Speaker 2 00:29:12 Nicky <laugh>. Yeah. That's smart. Just Speaker 1 00:29:14 So like, I have it in my hand. It feels like Speaker 3 00:29:16 That's like your liquid death thing, right? Speaker 1 00:29:18 Yeah, exactly. Speaker 3 00:29:18 Like that's why it's like just to hold something. Yeah. I will say like, that is nice. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> because my hands will just be like, Speaker 1 00:29:25 You're like, what Speaker 2 00:29:26 Do I do? Yeah. If my, if I'm at Red Door and there's nothing in my hand, I'm going to the bar a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Even if I had just finished a beer, you know, I'm not gonna sit, you know what I mean? Yeah. I Speaker 3 00:29:34 Can't be sober at Red Speaker 2 00:29:35 Door. Yeah, same. Speaker 1 00:29:35 It's gotta be tough, you know? Yeah. I don't think I've ever done it. Well, I have, but like for business meetings till seven and then we left, you know, <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:29:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotta get out. Gotta Speaker 1 00:29:44 Get out. Yeah. It's, it's one of those things where it's just like a social lubricant. And for me, cigars is a social thing. Like, we smoke cigars and we like hang out and we'll chat for two hours. We don't talk on the phone for two hours. We talk on the phone for 10 minutes, you know? Speaker 2 00:29:59 Yeah. Whatever. I call, you're like, all right, bye. I'm like, okay, <laugh>, I'm, are you pushing me off the phone? Speaker 1 00:30:05 I'm usually at work Speaker 3 00:30:06 <laugh>, dude, I'm so bad about, um, text messages, like I'm a call guy. Yeah, same. I will probably pick up the call now. I do have my phone on Do not disturb, so you gotta call me twice. Ah, damn. Yeah. Um, that's fair. But I like, dude, I'm just so bad with text, you know, they get, they pile up and then if you don't respond to one and then, I don't know, I'm like, if you, if it's really that important, like, Speaker 2 00:30:30 Just call me, dude. Just wait till you get Yeah. Like bigger and bigger with your artist shit. Yeah. It's gonna be obnoxious. Ugh. Speaker 3 00:30:37 I can't, I honestly, like on the micro of micro scales that I'm on right now mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:30:42 <affirmative>, Speaker 3 00:30:44 I have just my amount of respect that I have for artists is just insane because I, I, like, even at the, at the tiny, tiny level that I'm at right now, the amount of messages and phone calls that I get in the day is repulsive. Yeah. And like, having to sit there and like, you know, one thumb through it and be like, did I respond to that? Or like, you know, or you read something that honestly like, just isn't that imperative, like, at the, at the time. And you're like, all right, I'll just get back to that. That's three days later. And it's like, that sucks, you know? But yeah, I just, I don't see how somebody like, I don't know name any artist who's like crushing. Like they, they gotta have two phones. Yeah. Have Speaker 2 00:31:31 To, or, um, I remember like when I, like, I've been friends with Luke for a long time since he was like really broke and before he moved to town and, but I was already touring. I had a touring gig when he started his thing mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And eventually I came back to playing this band and like, I texted him like, I didn't hear anything from him. And it was like, then a day went by like, oh, I haven't heard anything. Like, I'm in the band now. And he was like, oh, I got a new number. Like, he texted me from his new number. He is like, I had to get a new number because people were just fucking blowing me up all the time, Speaker 3 00:32:05 Dude. For real. Yeah. That's Speaker 1 00:32:08 It's crazy, man. I mean, if you, if Speaker 3 00:32:10 I got a new number that would like fuck my whole life up cuz like, ain't not long. It took me to memorize that one number. <laugh> <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:32:17 I still have my my parents' home number memorized. I do too. I do Speaker 3 00:32:20 Too. Speaker 1 00:32:20 Yeah. That's what we used for my password for the computer. Speaker 3 00:32:23 We have like an OG like rotor phone at my house. No shit. Yeah. Like on the, like on the wall. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:32:29 That's cool Speaker 3 00:32:30 Man. Yeah. Not even, not even an area code. Just, just straight up seven digits. Speaker 1 00:32:35 That's crazy. That's how small town. Speaker 3 00:32:37 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:32:38 If you only got seven digits, you are a small town. Speaker 2 00:32:41 True. Speaker 3 00:32:42 <laugh>. When you ain't got a mailbox. Yeah, it's a PO box kind of Speaker 1 00:32:45 Thing. Oh yeah. Up PS tries to come out here, but they don't get very far. <laugh>. Yeah. No, no, Speaker 3 00:32:49 No. It's like that. Seriously. Damn. Speaker 2 00:32:51 That's wild dude. Speaker 3 00:32:52 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:32:53 Yeah. That's real small town limit. Speaker 3 00:32:54 I grew up like 20 minutes from a gas station. That's crazy. 20 minutes from Walmart. Like Yeah, Speaker 1 00:33:01 That's like my town. Like I grew up and it was like we were poor area, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and like, but there was a house right next to ours. We were in like a little like subdivision kind of thing, you know? Speaker 3 00:33:12 Yeah. I live in town. Speaker 1 00:33:13 Yeah. Now. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:33:14 Well like no back home. Like Okay. My parents live in town. Yeah. But like, it's kind of funny. It's like in town, but like we don't have neighbors. <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like the neighbors are like in like, if you were in the city, you'd be like five or 10 houses away from you. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:33:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Speaker 3 00:33:33 Yep. That's the town. That's Speaker 1 00:33:35 Crazy. Speaker 3 00:33:36 So Speaker 2 00:33:37 It's when you, uh, get a big fat smash song, you'll be living probably pretty far outside of Nashville then I would assume. Speaker 3 00:33:43 I would like to, yeah. Yeah. That's the goal, man. Speaker 2 00:33:46 I with a condo above red door. Got it. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:33:48 <laugh> dude. Actually, like, never was a red door guy. Really? Yeah, man. Like I, I never like had, you know, in town where people have like camps and like, they run with the same crew of folks. Like, I, I kinda like missed that whole like, band. I missed that band like that, like that left the road. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like that wagon was gone. I was just writing songs with like my buddy that I grew up with, you know? Yeah. Us together. And like, so I never was at Red Door really? Unless we were just like, you know, going out Now I'm at Red Door. Yeah. <laugh> because like, I'm like involved with more people, but Yep. Yeah. I I never was like the red door dude, Speaker 2 00:34:25 But I used to live in Midtown and I could throw a rock and hit mid, you know, red door and losers and all that. Yeah. And uh, that was when I was a young boy. Now I'm not. And now I don't go there as much. Now You're a good boy. Now. I'm a good boy. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:34:40 <laugh> dude. I, I like, uh, we, I like going to, I actually like going to East. Speaker 2 00:34:46 Yeah. That's where I'm at. Are Speaker 3 00:34:48 You really? Yeah. That's where we live. Yeah. I'm at the hoop over there. I'm moving out of where I'm at, dude. Yeah. I'm excited. East Speaker 1 00:34:53 Is cool. The only thing that sucks is like, if it's rush hour traffic it blows. But any other time it's so easy to get everywhere or Titan Speaker 2 00:35:01 Game, but yeah. Yes. Speaker 3 00:35:02 That Speaker 2 00:35:02 Is so sick. Speaker 3 00:35:03 Yeah. Yeah. Titan's game's the worst. Yeah. Or Bridgestone. Speaker 1 00:35:06 Oh yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:35:07 Bridgestone. It's brutal. Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 00:35:09 <affirmative>, we, Speaker 2 00:35:10 Uh, national traffic in general is fucked. Speaker 1 00:35:13 Yeah. It's tough. Speaker 3 00:35:14 Just wait till we're like a third of the size of Atlanta or like, you know, half the size. Speaker 1 00:35:20 I don't even Speaker 3 00:35:21 To take that. No, no shot. Well Speaker 1 00:35:23 They put up that thing where they were like trying to do a light rail system in on taxpayer dollars and the taxpayers just shut it down. <laugh>. They were like, nah, traffic's fine. We didn't. Bus Speaker 3 00:35:32 System system sucks. Speaker 1 00:35:32 Oh, it's bad here. Speaker 2 00:35:33 Yeah. Dude, if I could take a rail like from east into downtown, that would be awesome. I'd Speaker 1 00:35:39 Do it. I'm sick. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:35:40 They had an underground thing drawn up, huh? Speaker 1 00:35:43 Yeah. Yeah. They have like a thing that comes out here. I don't know where it goes to, but they have like a rail. It's like, basically like a train, but they had like a, like a partially underground, partially above ground thing, like worked up and it was gonna like flow to the suburbs, but they just shut shot it down. Speaker 2 00:36:00 Oh. Speaker 1 00:36:01 Well honestly I feel like traffic isn't as bad as it was right before Covid though. Speaker 2 00:36:05 Covid was great for traffic. Speaker 1 00:36:07 Yeah. Yeah. And honestly Speaker 3 00:36:09 Nice people in their cars with mask on. Yeah. <laugh>. Yes. Crazy. Speaker 1 00:36:12 But I feel like, like right before Covid when I was down here visiting, I'd be, I was just like, this traffic's insane. And now that like some people work from home or work from home some of the times. Yeah. I feel like it's honestly a little bit better. It still sucks. Yeah. Way worse than when I was in Pittsburgh, you know what I mean? Like, Pittsburgh was great, it was easy. I won against traffic both ways and it wasn't that bad cuz it's not, it's a big city, but it's not that big. Um, whereas here it's like my 20 minute drive that's usually 20 minutes into town takes 45 on my way home from work, you know, from like Midtown. Speaker 2 00:36:45 I noticed the best when I drove it today. Speaker 3 00:36:47 <laugh>. Yeah. When I looked at it, I was like, when I called you on the phone and was like, hey, like when are basically like, like the text you sent me, like I cannot remember what you said. And I was like, when, what time is this? And so like, I just was like, I can't remember what I was doing, but I like looked at it in my phone. Like I mapped it out. Yep. It was like 47 minutes. I was like, man, what the hell? And then I like waited like 20 minutes and it went back down to like 25 minutes. Yeah. This is the time to leave this. Speaker 1 00:37:13 Yeah. That's why we doing at like seven because it's like okay, that 6:00 PM traffic's gone by the time you like get out here. Yeah. You know, it's uh, on the weeknights, that's when you do it on the weekend. We had Kendall wins keep over here on the weekend and it was easy breezy cuz it was the weekend. Speaker 3 00:37:30 You know, Speaker 1 00:37:30 She's, she's a doll. So Good. Speaker 2 00:37:31 She's a great singer too. Speaker 3 00:37:33 Unreal. Speaker 1 00:37:33 Yeah. I sent you that. The one we did. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:37:36 It was awesome. Yeah. Have you heard, you've heard that song Parachute? She has. Speaker 1 00:37:38 Yeah. So good. Yeah, she's a dynamo man. I remember we were in Key West when the year Kurt and Charlie were Speaker 2 00:37:45 There. Did I? All right, so Colleen said I jammed with her like, like at one of the rounds. I don't know if you have in Key West. And I think I remember hearing her playing going damn and like me playing do bro with her. Speaker 1 00:37:57 Maybe revival, Speaker 2 00:38:00 Maybe Speaker 1 00:38:00 Because you played with Chris and Foreman and, uh, Taylor Austin die. You played Speaker 3 00:38:05 During I, Ted yeah, Speaker 1 00:38:06 Same. I love her. Yeah. And then, uh, and then you played at the revival. Maybe she hopped up during revival. Speaker 2 00:38:13 Maybe I, but I couldn't. Speaker 1 00:38:14 You were on a gummy though, so you might not be the best. Uh, no, Speaker 2 00:38:17 I was She must. No, that was just alcohol. That's what's Key West though. That's why I can't. Yeah. I can't remember cuz it's fucking key. I wish I was on gummy and not being fucking drunk This Key West though. It doesn't Speaker 3 00:38:28 Come. I've heard. It's wild. It's, Speaker 1 00:38:30 I'm going this year. Are Speaker 3 00:38:31 You coming? Yeah, I'm going for the first time. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:38:33 Dude, it's, it's amazing. Speaker 3 00:38:34 I'm excited. Speaker 1 00:38:35 Are you on the lineup and everything? It's Speaker 3 00:38:37 Crazy. I think I'm playing a couple things. Hell yeah. Yeah. I'm not entirely assured, like I'm gonna be honest with you, dude, the last month and a half, two months of my life has just been like, I have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on Speaker 1 00:38:49 <laugh> in the best way possible, Speaker 3 00:38:50 Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I'm, yeah, like I'm just literally trying to make sure that I'm like wearing clothes when I walk out the door. <laugh>, you know, like socks on Sweet Speaker 2 00:39:00 Santa socks on for Speaker 3 00:39:02 Mom, Santa socks on for my mom. Like Yeah. Speaker 1 00:39:04 Well it's one of those things where it's like, it's basically like everyone's on vacation the same place with all their buddies. Speaker 3 00:39:10 Oh, I've heard. It's awesome. So Speaker 1 00:39:11 It's just, it's great. Yeah. And then there's karaoke bars where it's like, I'm sure the normal part of the year, those are brutal, but everyone's a professional singer that's down there. Oh wow. Except like us. So me and Kurt just sang Say It Ain't So by Weezer. But everyone else was really good. I Speaker 3 00:39:26 Saw them live, Speaker 1 00:39:27 Uh, Speaker 3 00:39:28 Hangout Fest. They were awesome. Hell Speaker 1 00:39:30 Yeah. Yeah, dude, I'm a big Weezer fan of, have been for years since the the Blue record. Speaker 2 00:39:34 Oh, no doubt. Same dude. Speaker 1 00:39:35 Yeah. <laugh>. But that's when Graham wasn't born Speaker 3 00:39:38 Back then. Yeah, no, I was like Speaker 1 00:39:40 Your dad though Speaker 2 00:39:41 When I was a big Weezer guy. Award hog. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:39:45 Um, but it is like, everybody just has the most fun and it's again, like if you're in town and you're too drunk, it's kind of like f frowned upon, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> in Key West, they're like, yeah, we get it. You know, <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:39:58 Yeah. I've actually been really trying to like watch myself on that. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:40:02 Get, uh, Deval faced on shit street. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:40:05 <laugh>. Yeah. Duval Street's like the main drag. Speaker 3 00:40:08 Oh, in Key West? Speaker 1 00:40:09 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:40:10 It's so, I'm like excited to get on them little mopeds. Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:40:13 Well, don't do it when you're drunk though. You can get a dui. Can Speaker 3 00:40:16 You really? Oh yeah, dude, I had a homie get a DUI on a fucking bike. Speaker 1 00:40:19 You can get on a golf cart down there. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:40:21 I got pulled over by the cops when I was on a bike Speaker 3 00:40:23 Like Flintstone like that. Your feet are the one that's moving that like, how you gonna get a don't get a DUI on something. You're operating with your own leg. I know. You know, Speaker 2 00:40:32 They pulled me over like, Hey, have you been drinking? I'm like, yeah, yeah. It's New Year's Eve. I'm riding my bike home. And and they're like, well you didn't have a helmet on. You don't have a light Speaker 3 00:40:42 On. Is it a seven? Is it a 21 speed? Like, you know <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:40:45 Yeah. I was Speaker 3 00:40:46 How are your, how are your, how are your hand breaks? Kurt? Speaker 2 00:40:49 Yeah, <laugh>. And uh, he was like, well I gotta check you search you for drugs. And I was like, okay. You know, like, and Speaker 3 00:40:55 Dimebag. Speaker 2 00:40:56 Yeah. No, I didn't have anything <laugh>. And uh, he opened my backpack and his full PBR and he goes, man, you gotta get some better beer. And I was 21 at the time or 22. I'm like, dude, I'm in college. Like I'm broke. He's like, all right, fine. Get a helmet and be safe. I was like, cool. All Speaker 1 00:41:11 Right. Speaker 2 00:41:11 Yeah. So I didn't get a dui thankfully. But yeah, I know couple buddies that have gotten DUIs like on golf carts and Speaker 3 00:41:18 I'll tell y'all some punches ass shit. Speaker 1 00:41:20 Let's hear Speaker 3 00:41:20 It. I knew this dude growing up. They got a du u I on a horse. Speaker 2 00:41:24 Is this you or no? Speaker 3 00:41:25 <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:41:26 It's his cousin Speaker 3 00:41:27 <laugh>. You get, Speaker 1 00:41:28 You Speaker 3 00:41:28 Get a du on a horse. Speaker 2 00:41:30 Nah. Speaker 3 00:41:30 Swear to God. Speaker 2 00:41:31 What if you're getting a, a piggyback ride from someone and they're drunk? Can you get a D U I on like your friend <laugh>? I'm like, Nick, gimme a pi a ride. Where all faced your face ride. Woohoo. They're like, ah, shit. Who Speaker 3 00:41:46 Do they ride up? Like he's the vehicle, right? Speaker 1 00:41:48 Yeah. What if you're riding a large dog? Can you get the DUI on the line? Speaker 2 00:41:51 What if you saved a horse and you were riding? No Speaker 1 00:41:53 <laugh>. <laugh>. That's crazy, man. That's country stuff right there. Speaker 3 00:41:57 Yeah. DUI on a horse that wins. Speaker 2 00:42:00 Well, I mean, George Jones got one on a tractor, right? Speaker 1 00:42:03 Yeah. That's but that's a motorized vehicle. Speaker 3 00:42:05 Yeah, that makes sense. That's Speaker 2 00:42:06 A horse is Speaker 3 00:42:07 Like Yeah, those things haul ass too. The big ones. Yeah. They scoot. Speaker 2 00:42:11 Imagine a combine like a huge fucking Speaker 1 00:42:13 Oh Speaker 2 00:42:14 My gosh. That I can understand. Speaker 3 00:42:15 You don't need to be hammered operating one. Speaker 2 00:42:17 Absolutely not. Speaker 1 00:42:18 Speaking of drunk driving, uh, oh God, that was a good segueway, right? <laugh>. <laugh>. Uh, I was at a friend's wedding and it was in the middle of nowhere Ohio. Yeah. And they had like a razor, you know, four-door razor and they're like, jump in, we're going for a ride. So dangerous. And yeah, I jumped in and the seat that I was in had like a kid's chair on it so I couldn't like sit and buckle in. Right. They're like, like Speaker 3 00:42:40 A high seat. Speaker 1 00:42:41 Yeah, it would like, it like was pumped up. So cuz they had their kid in the backseat the last time. Oh. So like, I couldn't like really get in it and like buckle in. I was like, this is how I'm dying right here. And a friend where Speaker 3 00:42:53 Like one cheek in that Speaker 1 00:42:54 Day. Yeah dude. It was like, I was in like the middle of Ohio. They're taking it on roads and through these big ass fields. I was like, literally this is how I'm gonna die if this thing rolls. Like I'm getting thrown out Speaker 2 00:43:03 It. I know Ohio too. That's how you imagine. Speaker 3 00:43:05 Imagine I Speaker 1 00:43:07 Love Ohio. Speaker 2 00:43:08 This is like the opposite of the Drew Park Speaker 1 00:43:10 Podcast. I know, dude. Wait till you start playing shows. You will love Ohio because they are early adopters of music. Really? They're loud, fun country fans. Speaker 2 00:43:18 They're country over there Speaker 1 00:43:19 And they're country. Speaker 3 00:43:21 Dude, you know something that's just like wild that I just never knew growing up in the south. Like the deep south is like, people are country as hell. Like Speaker 2 00:43:30 Everywhere. Everywhere. Speaker 3 00:43:32 And like, I think there's just like people in the south think that there's like just not country people anywhere else. Cuz we live in a bubble. Yeah, man. I met some rednecks from New York, dude. Yeah. Like upstate New York. Yep. I got a buddy from Wisconsin that's Speaker 2 00:43:47 Just like, I was just gonna say Wisconsin. Yes. Speaker 3 00:43:48 Woo. And they're like, you know, they have that goofy ass accent. Yeah. Yes. But they are rough dude. Speaker 1 00:43:54 They're Speaker 2 00:43:55 Country man. People from Wisconsin can fucking drink too. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:43:57 They're professional Speaker 2 00:43:58 Vodka. The women, the the children. All of 'em. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:44:01 Yeah. All of 'em. Speaker 2 00:44:03 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:44:03 It's it's one of those things where it's like it does, all it takes is a little bit of space and not much to do and you get country people <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:44:10 Yeah. It's just like, you know, that's, that are like really imaginative. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:44:14 You know, it's, you gotta make your own fun man. Totally. You know, like we, that's no doubt that's what we did growing up. We would just do stupid stuff, but we would do it like at the park when it was supposed to be closed. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like if you don't have a park when it's supposed to be closed, you're just doing, that's Speaker 3 00:44:28 Where being arrested for the first time. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:44:30 Well, ran, ran off, you know, not like they didn't catch me. I was skinny back then, you know. Oh Speaker 3 00:44:36 Yeah. Just sky in town. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:44:38 Cops chasing you down. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:44:40 I Speaker 1 00:44:40 Had adhd so I was skinny, you know what I mean? Yeah. Until I got older and found beer and then I was like, ah, not skinny anymore. Speaker 3 00:44:46 <laugh>. Dude, I'm trying so hard to like not drink as much beer. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:44:51 It's bad. It's good though, but also delicious. Speaker 3 00:44:53 Yeah. Yeah. And you, like you, I don't make many bad decisions when I'm drinking beer. Speaker 2 00:44:58 Of course, yes. Because if you're, if you're drinking, I'll drink tequila soda all night and then they go down like one second and then next thing you know, next thing you know you're blacked out. Yeah. And then you're fighting in a campfire, you know, or whatever. Speaker 1 00:45:11 <laugh>. Yeah. You're smoking premium cigars. Oh, that sounds good. Rolling around wrestling in a campfire. Speaker 2 00:45:15 True. Speaker 3 00:45:16 <laugh>. It's whiskey for me, dude. Speaker 1 00:45:18 Same. Speaker 3 00:45:19 I like, yeah. I just make some, some really questionable decisions. I, Speaker 1 00:45:23 I tried to do the like, whiskey on the rocks thing to be like a fancy boy, you know? Speaker 3 00:45:27 I do it neat. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:45:28 Dude, that's even worse. Speaker 3 00:45:30 Oh, nice way to do it. Speaker 1 00:45:31 I, well, what I'm saying is I just don't know when I had the right amount. Oh, Speaker 3 00:45:35 Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. So the thing about whiskey is like, you can drink that shit all night, but then I feel like it hits you at one time. I Yeah. Or for me it does. Like I'll be drinking it and I'm like, dude, I'm like, whoa. You know, you hit that like one thing <laugh> and then all of a sudden you're like, whoa. Uhoh. And then next thing you know, you wake up and you're like, where in the hell or my pants? You're like, Speaker 1 00:45:52 Why's, why's that Bud Light sitting on the counter right there? Speaker 3 00:45:54 Yeah. <laugh> make extra of beer. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:45:57 <laugh>. Yeah. I did the, the bourbon thing with the Glen Karen Fancy glass and I did the bourbon trail than in Kentucky and all that. And I bought all these fancy bottles. This was like five years ago or probably even more than that before. It was like, as like in vogue as it is now. And then, but what would happen, I'd be like, let's have a couple of sips of this with some buddies. We would just get hammer drunk, just like sip at a time. Next thing you know, it was just like, fuck. Like it's sink bottles Speaker 1 00:46:25 Gone was a hundred dollars. Speaker 2 00:46:26 Yeah. Even some of the cheap shit is still good. You know, like, I like wild Turkey one-on-one. It's cheap. You can find it everywhere. Yep. Tastes great, but it's just, it hits you a lot faster than drinking bush lights Speaker 3 00:46:37 Do. Yeah. You know, I think the music, the music business might be the only industry where it's like not frowned upon, like get hammered. I want a, Speaker 2 00:46:45 Which we do radio tour someday, Speaker 3 00:46:47 <laugh>. And I'm just like, that blows my mind. Yeah. You what's, Speaker 1 00:46:51 It's weirder if someone's not drinking than it is if they are drinking. Right. Speaker 3 00:46:55 It's strange. Yes. I did like a week where I was like, man, I don't wanna drink this like a nine to five, you know, like, I'm not gonna drink and like I'm like, what? <laugh>? Like, why would I do that? Everybody else Speaker 2 00:47:04 Is drink. You don't have to. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 3 00:47:05 Yeah. I will say though, like, like progressing and like having more opportunity that you're just like, all right, I probably should be a grown up about this and not Yeah. You know, you don't wanna show up writing with like some hall of famer and like hall up, hop in there and be super hungover. Like, you know, you wanna be prepared and like, you know, treat that like a job. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:47:29 Remember why you moved to Nashville, you know? But I didn't come here to drink Speaker 1 00:47:32 Condoms. Speaker 3 00:47:33 Maybe it's part of it, but it's a drinking town with a music problem. Yes. No doubt. Speaker 2 00:47:36 No doubt. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:38 It's, uh, it's one of those things where it's almost easier when someone's like, all right, I'm done. I quit. You know? Cuz then you're not like gonna bother 'em, you know? Yep. It's weird too, because that's like a totally fine thing to do with alcohol. Right. And that's like, you don't get peer pressure, but because it's happened to so many people. Yeah. But like, if there's other things that are like that, you get peer pressure from all your buddies. But like alcohol now we've like known, okay, there's so many people that have had problems with this that it's like, yeah, if you, if you gave it up then you won't do that. But like me, when I take a month off of drinking and I'm at the bar, my friends are like, this isn't right. You not drinking isn't right. Speaker 2 00:48:20 <laugh> Speaker 1 00:48:20 Like, like, it's weird that you're not drinking, please just have one beer. Speaker 3 00:48:23 <laugh>. I always do that thing where I'm like, dude, I'm not drinking this week. And then it's like 24 hours later. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:48:28 There's always the an excuse or some reason. Speaker 3 00:48:30 Yeah. Yeah. Mine's always like awful too. Yeah. Like, if I like go back and think about it, I'm like, dude, you're pathetic <laugh>. Like, that's why you're drinking. Like looking back on it. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:48:41 Well in, in my head though, it's like specifically if you're on stage and that's how you're used to performing on stage, that's what I've heard people say. They're like, I'm used to having a beer on stage. So like, I just like, as part of it, I sit down and, and set it back down. It's like part of my routine. So it's like harder to do that without it, you Speaker 3 00:49:00 Know? I was in the shower like the other day and I was thinking, that's what I get. I Speaker 2 00:49:04 Thought you were, say you were drinking a beer. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:49:05 <laugh>. No, I do. I have a suski, like a little, Speaker 2 00:49:07 Is that what you call it? A suski? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:49:09 It's like a little like shower thing. Like put in. Yeah. Um, no, but I was thinking the shower, I was like, I remember like in college, like people taking a lot of Adderall like to do shit. Yeah. And it's like, you know, I was thinking like there was a point where like I would like take an Adderall or whatever, like to study. Like I had to take it and I was like, dude, I really pray that I don't come to a point in this career where it's like I have to drink to get on stage. Yeah. And like Right. I think you will. Yeah. I don't think I will, but like I could see like how somebody would just get in the routine, like routine. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> of that being a thing and like, you know, well, I don't know, it's, it's like a, it's a crazy thing to think about cuz it's like you wake up every day and like that's your job. Like it's totally okay to be ripping shots. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and people eat that shit up and it's like, you know, and Speaker 2 00:49:57 That gives you that extra dopamine feed from a crowd going off Speaker 3 00:50:00 On it. Speaker 1 00:50:00 Yeah. Well and that's like, honestly I feel like a lot of that is playing those four hour cover gigs, you know, because the people are just feeding you drinks. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:50:08 And you get off and you're like, yeah, Speaker 1 00:50:09 You're just a mess. But Speaker 2 00:50:11 I definitely have played on Broadway and made $40 with like a $50 bar tab Speaker 3 00:50:15 Before <laugh>. Yeah. Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:50:16 But that's like, that's part of that bar experience, right? Yeah. Like if you're paying a four hour cover gig, people are feeding you drinks. Unless you're like, yo, I don't drink, then they're like, oh, okay. But if you're like, ah, I'm just not drinking tonight, they're like, shut up Speaker 3 00:50:31 Pussy Heather's, you know, <laugh> <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:50:35 You know, you know, it's like Speaker 3 00:50:36 At a barre, dude. You understand. Like, I do this every night. You're here for a night. You know? Yeah. And that's the crazy thing about Nashville is they like, yeah. When you're playing those, they're like, yeah, I wanna buy round for the, or like dude, the listening room. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Been drunk there before Feed people drinks. I haven't playing there on Tuesday. Oh hell yeah. Heck yeah, dude. Yeah. That place is so awesome. Yeah, it's fun. Like, Speaker 1 00:50:57 Sounds great. Speaker 3 00:50:58 Yep. And people really give a shit like they're listening. They want to listen to the lyrics. Like it's, if it's not a hit song, you know? Yeah, exactly. Which is like all I have. So like <laugh> people are listening to 'em, which is cool. So Nah, it's awesome. And they treat the artists well. There're too, oh, the staff's incredible. Yeah. Yep. Speaker 1 00:51:15 Um, and that's what you want. You want a good sounding room where people pay attention. And that's like with Rowdy on the Row, we're like, all right, we're not the listening room cuz we're at a bar. Yeah. But we're also not whiskey jam where like everyone's just talking the whole time and not even listening to the music. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, what I wanted, like when we started it out was like, I want someone that they can take the room with a song. And honestly like that first time you played, I think it was Jesus on the radio. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:51:41 You played on the radio Speaker 1 00:51:42 Or got on the radio. Yeah. Gosh. You played that song and it shut the whole room up. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm glad that we have an event where you can still shut the whole room up with the right song, you Speaker 3 00:51:53 Know? Yeah. I think that was the time where I was like, that was one of the first times in Nashville where I was like, damn, this is a, you know, cuz Nashville's a tough crowd. It's, you know, like you got the best guys in town and I think it's even cooler that like, man, that round I played, you know, I think like some, a legend played like right after, I can't remember who it was that played that night, I forget. But like, it, you just never know who's like playing in Nashville and like Yeah. You know, to be able to do that when there are people that have been doing it for forever that have, I don't know, it's a cool thing. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:52:31 It's, dude, I, there's so many moments throughout the rounds where I'm just like, just look back on it. And that's one of 'em was like, first of all, that round that you guys had was probably one of our busiest rounds we've had. Like other than like takeovers when it's like a whole night of like label artists. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when it's like label artists and stuff. Yeah. Then sometimes they get bigger, but like that it was packed and it was you and Matt. Well Speaker 3 00:52:55 Schuster is like crushing it. Speaker 1 00:52:57 And that was his first round in town. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it was like you and him together on that round, like had the town buzzing Speaker 3 00:53:04 Dude. Yeah. And then Gavin was playing like all Bailey's, all the hits, all just smashes. And he was just like, yeah. He's Speaker 1 00:53:10 Just super nervous playing all the hits. Speaker 3 00:53:11 Yeah. Yeah. That was so cool, man. Like, he, I don't know if you know anything about those two dudes, but they're just awesome people. And Gavin was like a union carpenter worker like crazy. He was like crazy. He was, yeah, like that. He was a carpenter and dude like, told me, he was like, he's just so like, straightforward, you know? He is like, yeah, if it don't work out, like I'm just gonna move back home. And I was like, cool. Like, yeah. Speaker 1 00:53:35 Like it's working out, dude. Speaker 3 00:53:35 Yeah. I mean, I think it's working pretty good. I remember he got a couple cuts and he was still like, if I don't make as much money is if I'm making as union carpenter, like I'm moving back because Speaker 2 00:53:44 That's a good gig. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:53:45 Yeah, Speaker 1 00:53:45 Yeah, yeah. You make good money as a carpenter. Speaker 3 00:53:47 Yeah. But, uh, he, I'll never forget, like, it was so cool, you know, I was kind of writing around Bailey and Gav like when, before Bailey, Bailey was probably about the size I am right now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he was probably a little bigger. That dude's always been crushing it. Yeah. But like, I remem I remember Gavin like bef like when they had just finished written Right. And Fall in love and, um, it was nuts seeing him play that, like singing it for everybody. And he looked over at me and he was like, that was cool. I was like, yeah, that was cool dude. Everybody in here was singing that, you know, he wrote that, you know? And he was like, yep, I did. You know, it's neat to see that and like for you guys to like see that over and over again from artists and writers that are like, you know, that's gotta be like a very rewarding, it Speaker 1 00:54:38 Really is, man. It's, it's like one of those things where it's like you just think back on a moment and you're just like, your head shakes. Like, and I've had so many of those moments since I've moved to town that I always tell Kurt, I'm like, I'm in the Matrix, dude. Like, I'm plugged in <laugh>. Like this doesn't happen. You know? Yeah. And it's like, it's not like, it's probably even that crazy for everyone, but for someone that loves music like I do mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's just, I just feel like I'm, I have the cheat codes on, you know? Totally. And Kurt has the cheat codes on too. It's wild. Speaker 2 00:55:08 Lucky guy for sure. <laugh>. Yeah. It was like, I saw a video of like Bailey playing on like a Good Morning America or something and they were playing Fall in Love and it was like watching like their guitar player, like playing the parts that I put on the record, you know? I was just like, that crazy. You know, I've always thought is like, when I was a kid I would go on like the internet and Google like guitar tabs for like, how do I play Pay the Black Myka guitar tabs, you know? Yeah. There's probably guitar tabs for like the solo I played on that song somewhere. Absolutely. Which is wild. Which is so fucking crazy to think about. Yeah. And someone else is like, how to sit down and like learn my guitar part. Speaker 3 00:55:47 I think that's another crazy thing is like what I've been learning recently about going in cutting these records and like having these just monster players on, on your records is like, I, I'm learning now about like the, like the industry industry like Yeah. The players and the pickers and like the guys that are like behind the scenes, but they're just legends and they're so damn good at what they do. They're pros. Yep. You know, like, um, Speaker 2 00:56:12 I'd love to hear hear more about that. Speaker 3 00:56:15 Yeah. Like, like Rob McNeely like, like played guitar for sure on um, the last couple in my last two records and uh, or my last record just beer around my bed. I think he might have played. No, I think Derek Wells played on the one that's about to come out. But dude, it was just wild. Like, I, I got to go in the studio Will brought me, I had never been around that, you know, like I'd never had the opportunity to see those guys do that. Yeah. So he brought me to Rob's, um, studio and Rob like, played the parts and he just nailed everything and it was so damn cool. And he was like writing stuff on the fly. And I think that's when I realized I was like, damn. Some of the most like, iconic things we hear in music that aren't the lyrics and melodies are some dude that you have, you will never see. Yeah. And they write, they write those just Speaker 1 00:57:06 Crushing. Yep. Speaker 2 00:57:07 I was, um, Speaker 3 00:57:08 It's so Speaker 2 00:57:09 Cool. I was in the studio photographing Corey Kent and he was at Jay Joyce's studio and Rob was playing guitar on it. Yeah. And it was so fun to watch them like work the tune out, you know, cuz Corey was singing and playing acoustic guitar and then Jay was kind of like the quarterback, you know, producing the whole thing. But like Rob kind of just got the, the vibe right away. And then Jay mentioned a couple things and they just, they rehearsed like a band, you know? Yeah. And then it wasn't like, you do your part, let's record. You know, so they tracked everything and then, you know, go in and fix a couple things or something that's like, like a live thing. And it was super fun to watch like Jay Joyce and all those guys getting the crazy cut stuff. Speaker 3 00:57:48 Yeah. It's wild. I, I caught a record that's coming out here in a few months with, uh, Chris Farn, um, who's a legend. But like I'm doing it with, um, I think I'm allowed to say this, I'm putting out, uh, a duet with Peyton Smith. Hell yeah. And, uh, Chris produced it and like, that was the first time, like we went to soundstage and like, that was when I really got to see like, you know, a producer. Like, you learn like, you're like, I'm learning right now mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's like, it was cool. Like, I was just seeing all these guys play and like, they would just nail it, crushed it. And I was like, that's how they do that. You know, if you're not around it, you don't know. Like, you, you just can't Sam. Yeah. Um, Speaker 1 00:58:26 That's where I came to town and I was like, oh crap, this is amazing. And like, hearing cur, Speaker 3 00:58:31 They don't miss Yeah. Like, I, like I never misses like this di like, and like they come up with shit on the fly, which is crazy. They're like, wait, I think this might sound cooler right here. Hmm. And you're like, wait, that's the intro to somebody's problem. Or like, whatever it might be. Yeah. Like one of those iconic songs, like Yep. You know, Speaker 1 00:58:49 It's so crazy how that happens. And then like, the thing with like, track guys, so like, they're building like the sound of the song as the people are writing it sometimes too, which is crazy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, it's like, there's just so much that goes into each song and that's why we kind of do the thing like more than a song where it's like a little bit of that story, you know? Yeah. From like one of the people in that room. And it'd be cool to have that from more than just like the one writer and to kind of hear like their version of the stories. Yeah. You know what I mean? Totally was Speaker 3 00:59:18 I was, and I was telling, uh, another artist this, I was, I was like, you know, I think it's wild. Like some of these guys that are like, these artists like Luke or Morgan or whoever it may be, that's just like taking the world by storm and like before they were that like, they were having to write the song, finish the song, get the song recorded, put the song out, and then sing the song, and then it go crazy. Like that's a nuts thing to think about if you think about it. Like someone has to write the song. Like there's so many, like there's so many things you have to do in order for the song, like to be out. Right. And then you have to play it. Yeah. Like it's a cra like being music artist is a fucking wild thing. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:00:10 Sometimes you'd be like, probably write a song and you're like, I want this out now. It's like, well, we're not scheduled to release some music until, you know, blah blah, blah since September, and we gotta get recorded and then mixed and then mastered and remixed and remastered. Shoot the album mark, shoot the music video, get all the thing. Speaker 3 01:00:25 So many things. Yep. Speaker 1 01:00:27 Ugh, there's so many details to everything and that's like making music seems like it's simple and it is, and it's re it's truest form. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but that's not what the real thing is. No. Yeah. It's not the, you gotta get online and you do an hour and a half on social media and it's like, you gotta have the concept for the album cover and then you gotta have someone shoot it, you know, like, and then it's like, oh, Speaker 3 01:00:49 The, Speaker 1 01:00:50 The, like they don't, we didn't like how that turned out. We gotta go back and shoot something else. Yeah. You know, like the, uh, I think it was the, the wall and album change names, uh, right before they dropped it and they had a whole different album. Art. They've talked about it. Joey Moy talked about it in one of his podcasts. Speaker 3 01:01:06 Well, do you know what it was supposed to be called? Speaker 1 01:01:07 I think it was just called Morgan Wallen. So it was Speaker 3 01:01:09 Gonna be like with a dangerous album. Album, Speaker 1 01:01:11 Yeah. Yep. Cool. So they had like, uh, like a image for it, or maybe I saw it in Grady Smith's video or something. I'm not sure exactly where, but the, it was, it was titled Different with Total different album Art and then they changed it, you know, really like, kind of last minute and it turned out great and it is like, as big as it is and I feel like a part of that is like the name of the record, you know, but like, it's, it's so crazy how often stuff like that happens where it's like, yo, we almost didn't put Barefoot Blue Jean Knight on Jake Owen's album. Well, his career's totally different if that song wasn't on that album. Speaker 3 01:01:47 Is that a true story Speaker 1 01:01:48 Too? That's a very true story. Yeah. That song almost didn't get recorded. They were done with the album before that song came in and they were like, well, let's cut this one. It's a good song. And it made the album and that was his biggest song he's ever had. That's nuts. You know, that's just how that stuff works Sometimes. It's like, Speaker 2 01:02:03 And there's probably songs like that that didn't make the album, it didn't make it and are just Speaker 3 01:02:07 Floating around. Speaker 2 01:02:07 Yeah. Just floating around some publishing house or something. Speaker 1 01:02:10 Yep. Yeah, absolutely. There's yeah, think about, think about the hard drives and the, the tapes and cassettes from all those old songs that, those professional songwriters Speaker 3 01:02:19 I huge over those demos Speaker 1 01:02:20 Too. I know, man. Me too. Yeah. Like hearing like Josh Thompson demos or like, yes, Randy Montana, a hundred percent. Because those guys have the voice too, and then also the songs there, you know, you're like, dang. Speaker 3 01:02:31 I think that's what I've been learning recently that was like having the opportunity to write with some of these guys that are just, you're like, holy shit, you're better than the artist <laugh>. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, not really be like, why are you not the artist? Like that's wild. Well, Speaker 1 01:02:43 You have to want it, Speaker 3 01:02:44 Man. Yeah, totally. Yeah. But there's some dudes out there that you're like, wow. Like you are, you have everything like Speaker 2 01:02:52 Jeffrey Steele. You're like, yes. Just why are you insane? Yeah. Speaker 1 01:02:55 He's so good. Yeah. What's that Chris dude that produces Chase Rice's Speaker 2 01:02:59 Stuff? Oh, Chris, um, DeStefano DeStefano. Yes. Speaker 1 01:03:03 When you hear him sing, you're like, dude, you should be singing all these Speaker 2 01:03:06 Songs. Yes. He can like sing Johnny Cash and Carrie Underwood, like, all that doesn't matter. His brain isn't insane. Speaker 1 01:03:11 Yeah. You like, when he plays a listening room, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna see Chris. Yeah. And Speaker 3 01:03:16 Like, he's crazy. I don't think I've ever seen him, dude. Speaker 2 01:03:18 He's great. He's sick. Yeah. And he plays great keys and sings great. Yeah. And writes all these smash hits and plays guitar. Great. Yeah, he's super talented. He, Speaker 1 01:03:28 We got lucky enough to have him play Rowdy on the Row one time and it was like, wow. You're just like, Eric Van Howton was like, yo, I'm bringing Krista Stephan now. I was like, what? Yeah. Speaker 3 01:03:36 I love, I love Eric. Speaker 1 01:03:38 Oh, dude. Yeah. Eric's fun. Talk Speaker 2 01:03:40 To get in the room with Chris and Eric. Speaker 1 01:03:42 Yeah. I thought you guys could get something. That would be a great song. Speaker 2 01:03:44 Hey, and bring me too <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:03:46 Carter write the dobra parts for it. Speaker 2 01:03:48 Yeah, no doubt. Speaker 1 01:03:49 <laugh>. Yeah. I, uh, it's for me just like being a fan, right? Like you kind of were here seeing music stuff happen since you were 18, but like Yeah, dude, I was 38 before I moved here, you know? Yeah. Like, I lived a whole life where I was like having Ray Rowdy for a few years, but like just a music fan. Yeah. And then like, it was crazy for me, like getting a little radio show and then it was like being here. I remember the first time when we had Charlie do the podcast, like record it for us and like make it sound like I wasn't doing it in a tunnel through, through a microwave, you know? Yeah. <laugh> and, uh, <laugh> and like hearing him do the recording of, uh, Nate Frederick at my terrible ghetto house in Antioch at the dining room table. Speaker 3 01:04:35 Och. Speaker 1 01:04:35 Yeah. <laugh>. It is so bad, but like, just being in just complete and utter Wow. At how that turned out. But, but it happening on our freaking table, you know? Yeah. And just, and since then, just moments like, I mean, dude, within our first six months of having Rowdy on the Row, we had Ashley McBride play Riley Green singled in Luke Combs, flatland Cavalry, Garth Brooks. No, not Garland Brooks. God, Speaker 2 01:05:04 That'd be Speaker 1 01:05:05 Cool though. It was just like Covid. It was like everyone was around. Yeah. So like, it was like kind of easier to do. Totally. You know what I mean? Totally. But, but then at the same time, it's like having Kindle Inskeep during CMA Fest shut that whole room up with endgame is like equally as big for me. You know what I mean? It's like seeing like people take the room, like watching you take the room with your song. First time I've had you play on the round and just being like, oh my gosh. Like those are things that are in my head. Like watching Shelby Ray for the first time. Like who's a new girl in town who's freaking dynamite. Speaker 3 01:05:40 I check her out. She's awesome. Speaker 1 01:05:41 That is. And like, watching people like that for the first time is equally as big as like, for me as like these big stars playing my room because it's like, that's where it starts, man. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it starts on that bar stool playing for freaking 150 people before you play for a hundred thousand people, you Speaker 3 01:06:01 Know? Yeah. I think it's wild, like thinking that the people that have been so successful, thinking about Luke Combs playing for an empty room. Yeah. It's kinda hard to think. Dude, Speaker 1 01:06:08 First time I saw him, he was a radio show. It was just him and Rob, they were playing acoustic on a Tuesday night at JS and there was probably 30 total people there. Free show. Speaker 3 01:06:17 It's bizarre. Speaker 1 01:06:18 A year later he was playing a 2,500 cap and it sold out in under an hour. And then a year later he's playing, you know, all those big arenas and stuff. It's nuts, man. Speaker 3 01:06:27 That's how it happens, huh? Fucking bonkers, man. It is crazy. It's absolutely, it's bizarre. But Speaker 1 01:06:31 Think about Bailey, man. Yeah. He went from literally talking to his phone, singing to his phone, and then his first round ever was with us, and then his first like full band gig ever was Whiskey Jam. And then his Speaker 3 01:06:44 First like that's the one thing at a time tour. Yeah, it Speaker 1 01:06:46 Did. Yeah. You know, like, isn't he like two years later? Speaker 3 01:06:49 Bizarre. Speaker 1 01:06:50 It's nuts, man. Speaker 3 01:06:50 It's cool though, man. It's Speaker 1 01:06:52 Super cool. Speaker 3 01:06:52 It's awesome. Speaker 1 01:06:53 It's, it's interesting too because like the road that everyone traveled before was like, yo, you go play four hour bar gigs in the southeast and like that's how you do it, and that's how you figure out how to play on stage. Yeah. And then the songs come after that, you know? Totally. And that was like, or it's like you go on Broadway and you just do that thing and try to make enough of money to get there, and then you build, you know, then you got a little bit of money and you can record, you know, like whatever. Yeah. But that's not how it is anymore, man. You can break that chain and it's cool Speaker 3 01:07:23 On social media. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:07:24 It's wild. It's wild, man. You can break those chains down and like have success quickly if it's there. Speaker 3 01:07:31 No, totally. But, Speaker 1 01:07:32 But like it's there. It's just, it's a and r for the fans, you know what I mean? Like TikTok mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's what it is. It's like, oh, this is different. This is special, let's shine a light on it. Yeah. And and they can do that, Speaker 3 01:07:45 Man. Totally. I Speaker 1 01:07:46 Love it. Speaker 3 01:07:47 And that's, I mean, yeah, it's, it's definitely turning things inside out a little bit. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:07:51 And it's honestly like so many people have been like, have you heard this person? And they'll send me people on, you know, it's part of like the race rowdy thing. Like we have people that are like, have you heard this person? And they're like, demo to us. Yeah. On, on socials or, well, mostly that's stuff, stuff like, yo, have you seen this person on socials? Like kind of thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And like, like Zack Top was the same way, who's like a real authentic country singing guy. Like my buddy, I look back to see like who sent them to me first, and it was my buddy Jake, we were at a festival in Ohio last summer mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he sent me Zack top song. He's like, this dude's good as hell. And now like, Zack Tops starting to get smoke, you know what I mean? But it's like, yeah, he was on TikTok, but he was on a ranch in freaking Washington state. Like he was a rancher. Like that's how it works, you know, Speaker 3 01:08:38 <laugh> plus so many people that popped off from, so I feel like Luke popped off on Von. Yeah. I was watching him on Vine when I was a kid. Speaker 1 01:08:43 Vine. And then it went to YouTube for a little, and then, I mean, he's been Speaker 2 01:08:48 The radio also. Yes. Speaker 3 01:08:49 That, that one, every Speaker 1 01:08:50 Single number one Speaker 3 01:08:51 Definitely helps. But, Speaker 1 01:08:52 But that was the startup, you know? Yeah. And same thing like, like Riley Green had, like, he had success, but it wasn't like socials, it was like a brewing in the southeast Speaker 3 01:09:03 So that dude can sell out any venue in the southeast. Speaker 1 01:09:06 Oh yeah. And no, no doubt. They just eat 'em up Speaker 3 01:09:08 Coal following in the southeast. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. He is the s e c hero for sure. Speaker 1 01:09:11 No doubt. Yeah. But like Speaker 2 01:09:13 Throw pig skin a quarter mile. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:09:16 <laugh> Speaker 1 01:09:16 Like, but think about Kane Brown man. Kane Brown's thing was like Facebook videos and YouTube, Speaker 3 01:09:20 You know, I found him on SoundCloud. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:09:23 It's like his thing was the internet. Yeah. You know, and that's like, I remember watching Kane's first tour, he was so uncomfortable on stage and like, it was a 15 minute set and then there was, you know, a three acts after Speaker 2 01:09:35 Him, like after with F G L. Speaker 1 01:09:36 Yeah. And people like were literally leaving after him. And I was like, what are you guys doing? That was, you pay, you paid all this money for a 15 minute set and you're like, damn, that means it's working. You know? Yeah. Like, that's crazy. And f g l was big as hell back then. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you Speaker 2 01:09:52 Know, they're like trampolines on stage and stuff. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:09:54 It was nuts, Speaker 3 01:09:56 But wild. Speaker 1 01:09:57 It's so wild. Just to, for me, man, just from a fan's perspective, just to get in to see things work. Like watching Trey, like right when I moved to town, watching Trey's life blow up from Dick down in Dallas and then like now it's like watching everybody else just like do their kind of thing. Speaker 3 01:10:12 Totally. Speaker 2 01:10:13 Yeah. There's so many different ways to skin a cap. Yeah. You know, there's like, like, you know, the TikTok skin a cat. Yeah. And, uh, wild, well like Miranda Lamber did like the TV show thing. Yep. You know, or Speaker 1 01:10:25 Chris Young was on one of Speaker 2 01:10:26 Those too. Yeah. So was Michael. And Yeah. So, you Speaker 1 01:10:29 Know, however you do it, man, as long as it works and as long as you keep it authentic to you, you know what I mean? Yeah. Think that's the key. Speaker 2 01:10:36 No doubt. And you got the talent for it, man. No doubt about that. Speaker 3 01:10:39 Well, I appreciate that too. Speaker 1 01:10:40 I'm so thankful for you coming over here and Speaker 2 01:10:42 Seriously spend time Speaker 1 01:10:43 With us always being down to play the round and stuff, man. We appreciate that. And honestly like helping us sell out of those hats that you're wearing Speaker 3 01:10:49 Right now, <laugh>. Oh dude, I love this hat. <laugh>. Yeah. Should have flipped it around. Oh, Speaker 1 01:10:53 Good. All right. Speaker 2 01:10:54 Hold on. Let's redo the podcast. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:10:57 But man, it's a, for a small business like us, like I I, I mean those extra 50 or a hundred hats like Yeah. That, that keeps Iking video clips for a while, <laugh>, you know? Totally. Yeah. It means a lot. Speaker 3 01:11:08 Yeah, man, I appreciate it. Yeah. I mean I'm, it's, it is cool man. You don't ever Speaker 2 01:11:13 Forget the people that like really helped you out or like, were just straight up cool to you, you know, when you're trying to figure your shit out and uh, yeah. I've heard so many people say that about Nikki. It's just like, like a broken record this time, but it really speaks to your personality and how good of a guy you are, man. Yeah, yeah. I'll get behind that. Yeah, no doubt. Fish. Yo, Speaker 1 01:11:33 I'm just happy to be here. And I say that like, I say that all the time. I'm like, I'm just happy to be here. You know, like Speaker 2 01:11:39 Honestly. Absolutely. Me too, man. I'm getting in the fuels here right now, boys. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:11:42 Well that might be a good time to end the pod. I Speaker 2 01:11:44 Agree. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for coming on man, too. Thank Speaker 1 01:11:46 You. Appreciate you brother, and I appreciate it. Thanks for rocking with us on the pod and for uh, for just shooting the crap and drinking some bush Speaker 2 01:11:53 Lights. Absolutely <laugh>. Speaker 1 01:11:56 There it is. Well, I'm Nick Speaker 2 01:11:58 T. I'm Kurt Ozon and we'll see you in the front row. All right, let's go. It's awesome. 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