Episode 115 - Chris Canterbury

Speaker 0 00:00:02 Smoke all the good old days. You just, right. It's called, Speaker 1 00:00:31 I feel like we never have an intro, so, well, Nicky, give us an intro for this one. Speaker 2 00:00:36 Welcome back to the Raise Rowdy podcast. I'm Nikki T. Speaker 1 00:00:40 I'm Kurt Speaker 2 00:00:40 Ozon. Yeah. <laugh>. We have our guest today, Mr. Chris Canterbury. This hola second time on the podcast. Yeah. The last time was 2018 in one of the finest bars in Chicago on the back deck. Speaker 1 00:00:54 That was, yeah. Dude, that was, it's a different, it's a different scenery today. Speaker 2 00:00:58 Yes. Yeah. What bar Speaker 1 00:00:59 Was it? Speaker 2 00:01:00 Dude? What? Uh, it's the Corab. Yeah, the Corab. It's an Irish bar. Speaker 1 00:01:04 It's like an old IRA Speaker 2 00:01:05 Bar. Dude, it's dope. An Speaker 1 00:01:07 Old Speaker 2 00:01:07 IRA bar. Correct. What does that mean? Irish Republican army? Yeah. Yeah. So Speaker 1 00:01:13 Old school. Speaker 2 00:01:14 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:01:15 Yep. It's, uh, Speaker 2 00:01:16 People that didn't have an Irish accent were the minority in that bar. Speaker 1 00:01:20 Absolutely. Whoa. Speaker 2 00:01:21 Cool. Yeah, it was wild. It was our good buddy. Dave's 40th birthday. Oh Speaker 1 00:01:26 Yeah. It was, wasn't it? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:01:27 Yeah. Rich Chicago, Dave. Yeah. <laugh>, well, hardworking Chicago, Dave <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:01:33 True. Speaker 2 00:01:34 But, uh, Chris, they surprised him, I think Right. With you coming up playing for his birthday. Yeah. Yeah. That was freaking awesome. Hell yeah. And now Dave has his own bar in that area, and then part owners and some more establishments as well. So, Speaker 1 00:01:49 Glad to have you on, man. This is cool. It's a lot. It's a lot of, uh, a lot. Um, it's a lot quicker drive. Yeah. Than it was, than it was for the last one. Speaker 2 00:01:57 You drove up there, didn't you? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I remember you drove and then had to fly somewhere and then come back or something. Speaker 1 00:02:02 I drove, I drove to Chicago, played that show, flew to New Orleans, played two shows, flew back to Chicago, and then drove, uh, I think, I think drove to either, I think Cleveland next. I'm tired just thinking about, I know Speaker 2 00:02:15 That's the worst. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:02:16 <laugh> actually, it wasn't the worst. That was, that was not a bad trip. Speaker 2 00:02:19 Yeah. That was before the world shut down and everything was great. Speaker 1 00:02:22 Beats digging ditches. Speaker 2 00:02:24 Yes, absolutely. Amen. Yeah, man, it's been well. Cheers, guys. Cheers. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a, uh, like I said, a long time since we had that, but we were lucky enough to have you on the Rowdy on the Road recently for, uh, um, uh, park West takeover. Oh, yeah. So that was super dope. Speaker 1 00:02:43 That was a lot of fun, man. We was, yeah. You're such a good singer, man. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:02:47 Well, we were up there and we were like, uh, I was like, Hey, I wanna have Chris on the podcast, and you're like, this guy? I'm like, yeah. He's like, absolutely. I wanna sing with him, or I wanna play with him. Sing. Yeah. A hundred percent. So that's, uh, I remember as we talked about, um, things back on that last podcast, I remember talking about Guy Clark and his inspiration to you, um, and how you, when you write and stuff that's, uh, one of your benchmarks is like, is this something that he wouldn't hate? So Speaker 1 00:03:18 Yeah, dude, that's like, that's, I mean, that's the, uh, that's the litmus test. Yeah. Like it's, uh, and it's gone through and then it goes through, um, it goes through different, like, through different, uh, different artists. Um, I mean, like through multiple artists. Yeah. It's, uh, but it always comes back around to Guy Clark. Cause like, used to, when I first started, it was like, uh, would Todd Snyder, would Todd Snyder sing this? Yeah. And then it's like Todd Sni would Jerry, what would Jerry Jeff Walker have done with this one? Yeah. And then, but it always comes back to Guy Clark. Speaker 2 00:03:46 Yeah. That's great. Have you added more names to that list? Anyone knew? Speaker 1 00:03:52 No, I don't mean, I don't, I was just about Speaker 2 00:03:54 To ask that same question. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:03:55 <laugh>, I mean, usually it's, uh, I mean, I guess Todd Schneider is the, uh, is The's the, Speaker 2 00:04:00 The newest, yeah. Speaker 1 00:04:01 <laugh>. I mean, he's the only one left now. Yeah. But, uh, Speaker 2 00:04:05 It's, uh, it's one of those things where I remember, you know, chatting with folks and, um, at the time, you know, chatting with Joe Portner and them talking about listening to your record from, you know, 2017 rate Refinery town. Yeah. 2017. So, and he was like, yeah, we listened to this on the road. And just like, it's one of the best records ever, you know, <laugh>. So the, the people that get it really freaking get it, man. And I'm happy. There's dozen, Speaker 1 00:04:28 There's dozens of 'em out there, Speaker 2 00:04:30 <laugh>. Well, maybe now they'll be hundreds, you know, <laugh>. But man, I know you've been working on some new stuff. So you've been dropping some songs. You dropped a single and then two songs off of the forthcoming record, correct? Speaker 1 00:04:41 Yeah, man, we, um, the back in June, we released, um, uh, uh, the Devil, the Dealer in Me, which is the first single off the record. Then, then we, uh, last month we did, um, uh, heartache for Hire. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:04:56 <affirmative>, Speaker 1 00:04:56 I mean, I guess I should know these, uh, <laugh>. And, uh, next week, uh, next, uh, Thursday, we're releasing, um, uh, sweet Maria. Yeah. And then the album, the album drops in, uh, in September. Yes. Uh, September 23rd. Speaker 2 00:05:11 23rd, yeah. How many tracks are on the record? Speaker 1 00:05:14 Not nine tracks? Um, we cut, uh, we cut 10. We, uh, we cut one, like we dropped one. And instead of going back in and doing and doing another one, it was like, shit, man, we'll just do, we'll just, we'll just make it, just make it a niner. A niner. Yeah. Make a, yeah. Make it a niner. Yeah. Um, did you do the album cover for it? I did. So tell us about the album cover, please. It's a picture of me. It's a hell yeah. <laugh>. It's, Speaker 2 00:05:38 Oh, so it's great looking Speaker 1 00:05:40 Like I've always been, it's a, I've always had this idea of like, for albums that I release, I'm gonna release a, uh, the first one won't have, like, the first one had my picture on it. The second one didn't, third one does, next one will not. So on whatever. But it's a, um, I mean, yeah, I do, I do my, uh, I do my own artwork. Um, I've been doing that for as long or longer that I've been playing music, and Speaker 3 00:06:04 Really, yeah. Speaker 1 00:06:05 It's, um, and I mean, that's, that's, uh, saves me, uh, saves me a ton of money. I know what I charge these people to do their artwork, so that's how much it saved me. Speaker 3 00:06:15 I shot an album cover for Jason Nicks and I drove out to like their, this farm that he's living at, and we made some pictures and did, you know, half dozen keepers, and they came out good. And he paid me, you know, no label or anything. So, and then he text me, he is like, you know, a couple months later, he is like, Hey, do you have, do you do like the artwork of it? I go, no. He goes, God damn <laugh>, this is so expensive. It's like, this is more than the photos cost. And I was like, really? Like, I had no idea. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:06:47 It's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, everything is that art, right? So it's like, what piece of that puzzle are you putting together? Speaker 3 00:06:55 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:06:55 Well, it's also, I mean, it's a, it's a time thing too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's, uh, so time thing. Absolutely. It's, it is, um, it's, it's definitely, um, it's, it's, it's one of those things that not a lot of people appreciate the, uh, the appreciate the, like the, the time spent on it. But Speaker 3 00:07:10 I feel that way. Like when I retouch photos, if it's like a headshot or something, and I have to go through and like, take people's pores out and fix 'em and put 'em back, and all that just takes so long, so monotonous. So I definitely get why, but I was just really surprised. I, I don't know, just something I've never like consciously thought about. Speaker 2 00:07:31 It's, Speaker 3 00:07:31 Yeah. I've had some weird experiences too, where I submit images and then people go through and just crank the contrast lighter on it, and it looks like a mic, their face cap microwave or whatever. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:07:43 Yeah. Well, I mean, we could, uh, we're gonna start a, we're gonna start a design podcast now. Speaker 3 00:07:48 No, that's true. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:07:49 Sorry. No, no. I'm just saying, it's like that's the, uh, <laugh>, I feel like that's, uh, I feel like we could sit here and talk, we could run this, we can turn this into a two hour podcast if we wanna talk about, uh, Photoshop, talk about what people do to your design. Yeah. Do to your art after it, uh, after, after it leaves your hands. Speaker 3 00:08:04 Yeah, no doubt. Speaker 2 00:08:05 Well, that's one of the great things about music is it doesn't kind of live in that world. Right. You know, when you put it out there, unless someone's remixing it or something like that. It's how you got it to where you got it with the people that you put in the room with yourself. Speaker 1 00:08:17 Yeah, exactly. That, that, that it is, it is different in that, in that sense. Yeah. So Speaker 2 00:08:21 Who did you work on this record with? Speaker 1 00:08:24 Um, I did. Um, well, if we can, I, when I, Speaker 3 00:08:32 I know, man, been there <laugh> Speaker 1 00:08:35 When I, um, like I had the idea for it back at the, like, in the probably mid, um, like mid pandemic, like mid, like lockdown 2020 Yeah. And started putting together songs for it towards the end of, uh, towards the, like, around December of 2020. And then book studio time for, uh, February of, of last year. And, um, basically I just kind of, I wanted to, um, I've always, I've always really, really liked, um, the Springsteen's Nebraska, like this, the, the idea behind the record, like just a, like, like elegant bedroom demos basically. Yeah. And I kind of wanted to do something in a studio, but like, that had that feel and kind of that same idea, just like a group of songs that, like, who cares if, like, I mean, if you have, if it doesn't have bass and drums on it, or who cares, I mean, it might have a bass and a lap steel and an organ, and that's it. Uh, which is what we did for, uh, for the Devil, the Dealer and me. Yeah. And I just wanted to do the, I wanted like, yes, I, I don't wanna call it a concept record, but it's like, that was the concept of, it was this loose, kind of super airy, like better than demos, but not a, like, not a polished, um, Speaker 2 00:09:57 Nashville sound. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:09:58 Yeah. Like, not a, not a polished, um, like, um, label, label record. Right. Um, I, I actually swapped off design work for the studio time, um, had my friends come in and play like I did. Like, I, I made the record, like, extremely very budget friendly. Right. Um, and then with like, with during, during the pandemic, like when, uh, when touring and stuff shut down, like I really, I just kinda leaned back into design work. Um, yeah. Picked up some gigs, started doing graphic design, like, started doing more, um, like more stuff like that to pay the bills. And then once, like, once, and that kid kept rolling. And then once, um, once it came around, like we got the record, um, like after, after it was done and in hand, I'm like, all right, let's, like, I'm, I'm gonna shop this thing and I'm not gonna, like, I have, I have stuff I can fall back on until, until I actually find something, somebody that I want. Speaker 1 00:10:52 Like that I, until I find a team that can put it, like, I can get this thing out. Yeah. And so I did. And it, um, and it took over a year, um, to find like, and we ended up going with, um, and we got distribution through the orchard. Um, I got, uh, all Eyes Media, um, here in town is the owner, uh, for like, for publicity. Nice. And it's a, like, it's a great, it's, uh, it's a great team. And, um, like, we're getting some, we're getting some hits, and like, that's what I was looking for. I was like, just holding onto it until I can Yeah. Until I can find, you know, until I can find that team. Speaker 2 00:11:25 Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, it's, if you think about it, it's like, it's not just great songs, right. It's about like, how you're getting them to the people, how you get the most eyes on them. You get the most bang for your buck from the music that you have created, you Speaker 1 00:11:37 Know? Right. Exactly. And Speaker 2 00:11:38 That's stuff that like I've learned over time, you know, it's like so many people when they get to town. I mean, you've been here a long time, so you've seen it with a lot of your music, but also your friends' music and like Absolutely. What works there, you know, you've seen your buddies that have put out records and on their own and what's that look like? You know, things like that <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:11:56 Well, and it's like, you can only ask your friends for so much. Yeah. But you can also, like I learned, I learned, I've put out two albums before this one, and the, they've all, like, they, each time they've been about five years apart, like in, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative> in releasing them, which like is way too long. But it's also the, like, I learned lessons from those, like, from how I released those records, like the very first one I released was just like a hometown thing. Like, I came, I was living, I was still living in Louisiana. Right. Um, and then like, came up here to record at a friend, at a friend studio. We put it out, it did great for a, for a hometown, like, for a hometown release. Um, and then Refinery Town came out, and I had a, I had a decent budget for it. Speaker 1 00:12:39 And, uh, but I spent my budget on like, studio players and, and mixing and like, I had no, no marketing budget whatsoever for it. And they, I can, and you can tell, like, it's, it just, it, it did fine, but it's not, it didn't, I don't think it did. What, like, I think it's a better record than how it sold. Yeah. Um, and then, so with this one, I, that's why I was like, I was more careful with, with, with how, how I put it out. And we ended up, you know, ended up going this way. And I'll, I mean, I mean, I'm, I'm proud we did. Um, and so we'll see. Uh, we'll see, we'll see how it goes. Speaker 2 00:13:14 <laugh>. Well, that's always it, right? Speaker 1 00:13:15 It's like, might I might be having, I might ask y'all to, uh, to re-edit this or, uh, <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:13:20 Well, I mean, that's kind of it though, man. It's, it's, it's learning life's lessons. Right. And if you have like a distributor, they've learned those lessons through all of the distribution they've put out. Right. Right. Like, yeah, they have the relationships with the people they have relationships with, and, you know, worked with as many folks as they have. That's why they're there, you know, <laugh>. And, uh, you just gotta find the people that feel like the right fit. So I'm glad that you found that. Man. That's definitely a very important part to dropping music specifically now. Um, Speaker 1 00:13:48 It's a business for a reason, man. Speaker 2 00:13:50 Yes, exactly. Speaker 3 00:13:51 It's crazy how many hats like an artist has to wear these days. It's wild. You know, it's like content and book Speaker 2 00:13:58 Game. Speaker 3 00:13:58 Yeah. And distributing and writing and recording and, and producing. I mean, I assume you pro Did you produce the record or? Speaker 1 00:14:05 I did. I did produce the record myself. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:14:07 Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 00:14:07 <affirmative>, uh, what studio did you cut it at? Speaker 1 00:14:10 Uh, farmland Studio over in, uh, it's a little small studio over in, uh, it's like, uh, Perry Hill, green Hills. Yeah. It's, uh, area Speaker 2 00:14:18 Is, it is one of those little houses over there. Is that what it is? It Speaker 1 00:14:21 Is, yeah. It's a house over there. It's a downstairs, downstairs of a, of a house. So Yeah. Everything Speaker 3 00:14:25 Kind of like the house we're in. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:14:27 Yeah. We're, we are above a studio right now, the Hammer sound. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:14:31 We're in the studio above a studio. Right. Speaker 2 00:14:33 <laugh>. Yeah. This one doesn't sound as good, but we're working on it. Speaker 3 00:14:37 Yeah, no Speaker 2 00:14:37 Doubt. Charlie will make it sound great. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:14:39 Thank you, Charlie. Speaker 2 00:14:40 But man, yeah, it's, uh, it's, the music is a, you gotta get the songs that you love. Right. And that sounds like you have those, right? Yeah, man. And, uh, and Speaker 1 00:14:49 So that's always that, that's, that's like first and foremost, right? Just like, have, have the songs there. Speaker 2 00:14:53 Who are some of the co-writers or anyone that, uh, that you had on there A decent Be or a specific song that you love or, Speaker 1 00:15:01 I mean, I, it's hard to pick favorites on this, uh, yeah. On this record. Yeah. And I'm like, that's the, just the cliche answer for anybody that's ever asked about a new record coming out. I guess it's like your last record's always your always your favorite. Yeah. <laugh>. Um, but it is, I think the, um, the, the, the range of like, the, like the lyrical range on this, on this album is a, is a different, the kind of the songs str like the range, just the range of the songs in general. It's a little different. Uh, it's, um, the, I mean, the three singles that we chose that, that we're releasing are all co-writes between me and Vinny. Uh, VI, Vinny, pal Lizzie. So <laugh>, I was just texting 'em today, I guess. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:15:43 We have em on the pod too. Big Speaker 1 00:15:45 Fans. It, it doesn't have to like, I mean, it wasn't like, it really wasn't intended that way, but when we, I picked the songs out, I was like, oh shit, this is, uh, it's like, these are all Vinny songs. So, um, but I've got, um, let's see. Um, me and Vinny, um, uh, RO Snyder's gotta cut me and him and Vinnie Road, um, Harding for Hire. Cool. Um, uh, me and, uh, Ben Chapman, Harper O'Neill did, um, uh, take me over the Lime very cool truck driving song. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I'm gonna leave. Um, uh, Jeremy Parsons is, um, he used to live here in town now. He lives now, he's, uh, I think he's back in San Antonio, Texas. Yeah. He, uh, me, we had, we had our song. Um, I was just going through my, I was going through email looking for, I was actually looking for a different song and came across that one. And we wrote it like, probably like seven or eight years ago. It's like, man, I'm like, I'm going try this one. And I like, I love the song. It's probably, it, it like, that might be one of my favorites on the record. That's awesome. And there's nothing more to it than it's just an acoustic, it's just like, just an acoustic track. Speaker 2 00:16:49 Yeah. That's cool too. I remember like, um, we had you play one of our first ever takeovers when we did, uh, before we had events in town, we did some takeovers, and you played that as like a three piece broken down set. Like, so you played like full band, but it was like, I think it was you, your steel player and maybe one other person. Uh, it was, uh, at what is now Live Oak, I guess it was Frisky, frisky Frogs. Maybe it was just turned Live Oak. Oh, yeah. Speaker 1 00:17:16 Um, Speaker 2 00:17:17 Sax was Speaker 1 00:17:17 Round. I forgot. I forgot about that. Yeah. That was, uh, um, I think it was just me and Tom Hampton. We played, uh, lap Steel. Speaker 2 00:17:25 Yeah, it might have been. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:17:26 I actually, I still actually use, uh, photos from that for, uh, for press stuff for Speaker 2 00:17:30 Some other stuff. Yeah. <laugh> Did Speaker 1 00:17:32 He play on on on your new stuff too? Yeah, he did. And it was actually a, um, like he was supposed to, I asked him to come in and play and he, he wanted to come in and play, but, uh, every, so he had a storage unit on, um, like, I think out in Fairview. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and everything. The day, like the morning of that he was supposed to come in, everything got stolen. Um, I think he ended up finding everything, got, getting everything back except for, uh, except for like one, like a, it's like, like a, like a Ricky Bass or something, like, or, or a guitar or something like that. But he, he Speaker 2 00:18:02 Got everything else back. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:18:03 I think so. But like, brutal lucky Speaker 2 00:18:05 At Speaker 1 00:18:05 Least. Yeah. I mean, he has, I mean, he's had tons of like, you know, pedal steels, lap steels, like, oh my gosh. Like, just, I mean, he's a great utility. I mean like all those, all those weird stringed instruments that, uh, that that like only one person in town has. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Like me. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:18:22 Yeah. Man, it was, uh, it was super cool. And I know it's like, again, like you don't wanna sound like everyone else, and I love that, you know what I mean? It's like your, your lane is your lane and there's other people that live in it. Right. But it's, uh, it's a different thing than what a lot of people are trying to do in town. And that's why I think I dig it so much. Speaker 1 00:18:40 Cool, man. Yeah, I mean, that, think that's the, I think that's the goal. Um, these days it's really easy to, um, to sound, to like, Speaker 1 00:18:51 Come across as like, as like you're sounding like somebody else mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, where you, you know, where you, you you steer, you kind of, you veered a little too far into that lane with some, you know, with some things. And I feel like I have a really singular voice, so that kind of like helps with that. All that helps with that as well. Yeah. Um, it's like, just kind of the way I sing stuff, it just kind of ends up being like the, that's a, that's like kinda like my, my own style or whatever. So. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:19:16 Um, so like, of course Pandemic, you said you, you touched back into living in more in the design world, which I mean, you're a fantastic designer of, you guys have seen our, uh, park Ave West, um, Fest flyer that was designed by Chris. No Speaker 4 00:19:32 Way. Really sick dude. Yeah. That's Speaker 2 00:19:34 Awesome. And then if you look at the original podcast, um, that we had the picture for that was designed by Chris, also <laugh>, so Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I'm little starstruck right now. This one's way, this one's way better than all the other stuff we used <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:19:51 I, I did the, um, I, like, I've been, it was, I, I, I was here for probably two or three years. I was here maybe two years. And, um, I was starting to run out of like, run out of like, money that I had had, like had when I got here. Kinda, yeah. Line, line up, you know, like I, things were getting more expensive, like rent was going up and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, I, I actually went to go get a job at, I went to go get a, was gonna go get a day job at one of the, um, like one of the, the merch where like warehouses, whatever mm-hmm. <affirmative> in, in town. And they wouldn't hire me because I was a musician. Um, like I, it was an entry level position and I like, they just wouldn't do it cuz it was like, they, eh, like you're not, you won't be here. You like, you won't be reli you won't be reliable. Yeah. Like, well, I mean, I get it. But, um, I was leaving that and Ward, uh, reached out. I'd done a poster for somebody and he'd seen it, and he reached out and asked me to do some stuff for Whiskey Jam and I ended up doing the Whiskey Jam logo, and I've worked with him ever since then and stuff like that. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:20:51 I mean, that's the way to do it, man. That is so cool. Yeah. <laugh>, the, the Whiskey Jam logo, dude, that's been, it's iconic in town now. You know, it's, if you're, if you're from Nashville or you, or even in interested in the music scene, you see that logo, you don't even have to have the name and you know exactly what it is. You know, it's Speaker 1 00:21:09 Nuts. I still get people reaching out and asking me to do their band logos. It's like, Hey, can you just use, can you take the take, can you take the WJ out and just put my initials in there? Like, ah, I can't do that. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:19 <laugh>, you're like, no, <laugh>, that's Speaker 1 00:21:22 Fraud, brother. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:23 <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:21:24 Why are people that way? Speaker 2 00:21:25 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:21:26 Dummies. Speaker 2 00:21:28 Well, dude, it's, uh, it's one of those things where it's like, um, when you mimic something, it's like, what do they say? Speaker 3 00:21:37 I have no idea what you're talking about. Speaker 2 00:21:38 I'm not even high right now. Yeah. <laugh>, uh, Speaker 3 00:21:41 The imitations the serious form of flattery. Is that what you're trying to say? That Speaker 2 00:21:46 Exactly. Yeah. So it's like people wanting that, they just want a piece of what, like Ward has built, you know what I mean? So, Speaker 1 00:21:52 Yeah. I mean, and it's, or Chris's design, honestly, it's just a cool logo. Speaker 2 00:21:56 Absolutely. Yeah. Very, very true. Speaker 1 00:21:58 You put grungy wings on it. I mean, eight years ago you put grungy wings on anything, and it's an, it's an icon. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:22:04 <laugh>. Yeah. Hell yeah. Blessings. Yeah. <laugh> super pretty funny. But yeah, man, it's, uh, it's been cool. Like, I know you've kept up with Dave and folks and, um, have you been writing anything recently that you've been super excited about? Like, since the record or, um, anything else that, um, on the record that people can expect when it drops? Speaker 1 00:22:30 Um, I, I've got a few, um, like I've got a few songs that I, that I've written since, since the record, uh, since we recorded. And everything that I'm, that I like, I really, that I really like. I've also got like, some, like some partial songs and I'm like, I gotta get in and finish these up. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:22:44 But, Speaker 1 00:22:45 Um, but I, I'm also not one of the, like, I'm not a, I'm not a prolific writer, um, by any sense of the, you know, I, like, I don't write every day. Um, I do like, I'll have ideas that I'll toss in my phone or, you know, or whatever, but it's, um, it's, it's hard for me to finish this song if I don't think it's good. If I don't think it's gonna be good, or if I can't, like if the idea, if the idea trails off and I'm like, eh, yeah. Like, you can't write, can't write myself outta that verse kind of deal, then I'll just let it sit and I'll start on something else. Um, so I don't, I don't finish a ton. I don't finish a ton of songs, but I feel like this, I feel like when I do finish a song, it's like, I, I like it. Speaker 2 00:23:28 That Speaker 1 00:23:28 Makes sense. And that's the kind of the, that's the, like, I only, I only only write what I like kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:23:36 Were you always that way or is that something that you started doing when you became more confident as a songwriter? Speaker 1 00:23:42 Um, actually, I mean, I think it might be, I think it might be a lack of confidence as a songwriter. Like, I feel like interesting. I think it might more be more along the lines of, uh, of like, I don't wanna sound stupid kind kind of deal. So I don't want to, like, if I don't, if I don't finish it, it doesn't exist. <laugh>. I Speaker 3 00:24:00 Hear that. Speaker 1 00:24:00 Yeah. But, um, but that's more, I mean, I get what you're saying. It's, um, I used to, I used to try to write three times a week and then I got burned like that even that was like too much. It was too much. Yeah. It just, I, I, I run outta idea. Like I run outta ideas and when I do, it's like a, it's sitting in a, sitting in a room if you're, if like with a, with a blank mind is just like, uh, Speaker 3 00:24:26 Yeah. Boring Chinese water torture Speaker 1 00:24:28 Or something. Yeah. It's to, it's torture. Speaker 3 00:24:30 But I know like Paul McCartney talks about like writing bad songs to get to the good ones kind of a thing. So, Speaker 1 00:24:36 Oh, I got a ton of bad songs. <laugh> well par half. I got a ton of, I got a ton of bad halfers. Speaker 3 00:24:41 Oh yeah. I've definitely been in rooms like writing and you're kind of like, it's like the sunken cost fallacy. You're like, well, we're too far into this song, we might as well just finish it now. You know, and then you finish it and you're like, well, there's a song that's not gonna do anything ever. But, um, I do think there's merit to like, just like, as a mental exercise to finishing it sometimes, but, um, that's just only as, that's how I feel just because I think of everything as far as like practicing. But I kind of like, I think it's inspiring the way you kind of like, are just like, eh, like that's cool. Speaker 1 00:25:18 I mean, and I will say, I mean, I do, I have been in some rights before where like, I won't mention any names, but it's like I was in one, right? That's like, I'll, I tell people it was the ab like it was the worst Right. Of it. Speaker 3 00:25:29 Was it with Vinny it Speaker 1 00:25:30 Was definitely Speaker 3 00:25:30 With Vi it was Speaker 1 00:25:31 Vinny and Rob. It was, it was Penny. It was Penny Vale. Was he <laugh> it? Um, excuse me. Definitely not Italian Speaker 1 00:25:40 <laugh>. I, um, I was in this, it's been, I mean, it's probably been five or six years ago I was in this, right. And like, I took the right, cuz I really wanted to write with this person was a, um, some, like somebody I looked up to or, you know, I was like, they're, they have hits and everything. And we, uh, I had, it was the worst ride ever. It was a good hang though. Yeah. Um, super good hang mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's like, that was like the best part of the whole of the, of the ride. And sometimes like, that's actually, I mean, if I don't get, I'm not also, I'm also not one of those guys that if, um, I don't wanna, like, I will not force a song whatsoever if we're in a right together or whatever. And like, we're not getting anything. I'm like, Hey, let's sit on this one. We can get it. We can, we can. If if we don't see each other for three months, we'll pick it up from there. Like, that's what it deserves. Like this thing like the, the first verse of this song is way better than what we've got for the rest of it. Let's, uh, let's, let's, let's take, go back. Let's take a step back. I don't have to finish the song. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Speaker 3 00:26:34 Songwriting is so hard. It's gotta be like, the hardest thing in music, I think is like writing and composing. It's gotta be Speaker 1 00:26:43 Selling records. <laugh> is the, is the hard Yeah, Speaker 3 00:26:46 That's true. That's true. Also, Speaker 2 00:26:48 Especially now. Yeah. Music Speaker 3 00:26:50 Is just hard in general. Speaker 1 00:26:51 It's fun though. Yeah. Twitter followers, that's the hardest thing for me to do. That's actually, that's, Speaker 2 00:26:56 Yeah. The world is a strange place for music, right? Like it's, it's very, um, it's, it's easy to have a, a spotlight turned to you sometimes, but it's hard to keep it there, you know? Yeah. It seems like more and more that in the, the way that the world is currently, you know, it's like you can get something lit on you and maybe it's a song that gets on a playlist or whatever, but it's like, once you get that, how do you keep it? You know? Or it's like if a song blows up on the internet, it's like, once you get that, how do you keep it, you know? No, Speaker 1 00:27:26 100% ma'am. Back in, um, um, excuse me. Um, December, December of this last year, uh, me and Aaron Erland had a, uh, had a Christmas song on a, on one of the editorial playlist mm-hmm. <affirmative> there was like on the big Christmas list. And I like opened my phone one day and looked, and it was like, it had, I mean, a week before Christmas and I think it had 350 or 400,000 spent in plays. Yeah. Dang. And so I went and looked like I checked my, my monthly listeners like, like the metric or whatever and see what it was. And it was like, it like shot up. Speaker 2 00:28:00 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:28:00 So literally the week after Christmas <laugh> thing, nose dive worse than I was like, okay, well I gotta figure something else out for another 360 days. Yeah. <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:28:11 Maybe you just become a Christmas artist. Speaker 2 00:28:13 <laugh>. Well hopefully you'll have this album that they can go to this Christmas. Hopefully it makes up real. Speaker 3 00:28:18 Yeah. They can buy it on vinyl for Christmas, Speaker 1 00:28:21 I hope. Yeah, I hope so. Speaker 2 00:28:23 Are you gonna put this album on vinyl or you have it done or? Yeah. Yeah. Love Speaker 1 00:28:26 That. I actually listened to the, uh, listen to the, to the test test, to the test press yesterday. Awesome. Speaker 2 00:28:31 That's cool. Who'd you use to, uh, do the vinyl? Speaker 1 00:28:34 Um, we used somebody here in town. It's a, um, uh, the vinyl lab. Yeah. I think, is it? Yep. Speaker 2 00:28:41 We've used them before. Speaker 1 00:28:43 Uh, super cool place when it went to go pick em up and, um, yeah. It's like, it's sounding great. Um, Speaker 2 00:28:49 Hell Speaker 1 00:28:50 Yeah. Everything sounded good. Listened to it, listened to it twice, so Speaker 2 00:28:53 Nice. Yeah. I love that. I remember 18, Speaker 1 00:28:56 18 songs. Speaker 2 00:28:57 18 Speaker 1 00:28:57 <laugh>. There you go. Good one. Sh sh Shout it out when you know the answer. Speaker 2 00:29:02 <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:29:03 Whoa. Speaker 2 00:29:05 But, um, no, I think it's crazy too how like vinyl is made a resurgence just in the world. Cuz it is that, it's that physical touch, it's that owning of something. Right. You Speaker 1 00:29:15 Know, it it is, it's also, it's really nice. Um, I mean this, and this is gonna, this might sound like out of place, but this is like, it's really nice to have also to have another outlet for, um, for revenue. Yeah, absolutely. It is a, it's a, like vinyl is a, there's a lot of things that go into making one. Yeah. It's like you gotta have, you gotta have metal parts, you gotta have te you gotta, you gotta have master lacquer. Like the printing on one is like eight times as much as what it would be on a cd. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, so everything's more expensive, but it's also so you can, like, it draws a bigger, it draws a, a bigger price tag and it's, it's something else you can put on your merch table. Yeah. And in this time when like, like I'll spare the soap box, but like with a, with like streaming revenues and things like that for independent artists, it's a, having different merch revenues is, is great. And it's, you know, you don't have to carry, you don't have to, it's not a bunch of t-shirts you have to carry around. So. Speaker 2 00:30:10 Yeah. Yeah. I I think that's a piece of it too. It's, it's, I know friends that are like, I'd love to have a CD and like get a get it signed. I'm like, this is a new version of the old version of that, you know, <laugh> like, Speaker 1 00:30:22 I mean, we're back to the point where people have record players but don't have CV players. Speaker 2 00:30:25 Yeah. It's wild. Right. Speaker 1 00:30:26 So Speaker 3 00:30:27 I don't have a CV Speaker 2 00:30:27 Player. Yeah. It's, it's, I think it was last year or the year before. It was the first year that it passed. It records passed CDs again. You know, Speaker 1 00:30:36 I, I just got back off this run off this, uh, this acoustic run and it was, I think, I mean I actually think I sold twice as many vinyl as I did, as I did CDs. Crazy. Speaker 3 00:30:47 Well, my parents always buy the records of the people that are like on the podcast. Speaker 2 00:30:51 Yeah. <laugh>. So they, Speaker 3 00:30:52 They're jamming their Nate Frederick vinyl Yeah. Speaker 2 00:30:54 At home. So Speaker 3 00:30:56 If you can ship one to Titusville, I'm sure it's gonna, Speaker 2 00:30:58 That's where it was from. Yeah. Oh man. Well, um, any like touring schedule that you have coming up or anything like for the record in town or anything like that? Speaker 1 00:31:09 Um, I've got, um, like for the record in town, we're doing the, I think they're in the basement on hell. Yeah. I should have had these in front of me. Um, doing the basement, I think it's the 28th, it's like the Wednesday, um, after the record releases. Yeah. Then I'm going out, then I'm going off to um, uh, South Carolina and North Carolina doing Columbia. And then, uh, Charlotte. Um, Speaker 3 00:31:36 Do you play these shows? Like, do you bring your, like do you bring a band or you just do an acoustic or? Speaker 1 00:31:41 I I just do 'em acoustic. Acoustic. Um, I, I mean I have like, I have a, I can put together, I got a band, I got a band I can take with me, but it's, um, like these, most of these are just like little listening shows. Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 00:31:52 <affirmative> cool. Speaker 1 00:31:55 And it's, it's way cheaper that way too. Speaker 3 00:31:57 Yeah. Yeah. Band guys are expensive. Trust me. Speaker 2 00:32:01 <laugh>. Well, and you can do that in your car. You don't have to, you Right. Run a band and everything. Yeah. It's, uh, it's a different thing for sure. Speaker 1 00:32:09 I am hoping I am ho I actually hoping that, um, well, I mean, I do have plans for some, uh, for a few, for a few, uh, uh, band tours. This, uh, in 2023 though. So. Speaker 2 00:32:20 Nice. Speaker 1 00:32:20 Yeah. Hit some, hit, hit a few festivals and make a few, uh, make a few, like Oklahoma, Texas runs. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:32:26 That's awesome. Yeah. I feel like your music fits well in that scene for sure. You know, Speaker 1 00:32:32 I think so. There's, and like that, there's um, there's like a resurgence of, of like that songwriter, uh, vibe. Like the, that guy in town's, excuse me, uh, kind of thing they got going on down there. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:32:45 <affirmative>. Yeah. There's just so many it bars and like locations in that area that want original music where like a lot of other areas you'll see a lot more. Right. People that just want like, cover band gigs, you know what I mean? Like it's, uh, it's a lot more embracing of like the songwriter and hearing the real stuff and hearing words that came from that person. Speaker 1 00:33:06 Right. I mean, one of the, you ever been to Tulsa? I Speaker 2 00:33:10 Haven't. Speaker 1 00:33:11 The, uh, mercury Lounge in Tulsa has a sign on the stage. It's like, it's like you get three covers after that you'll be asked to leave Speaker 2 00:33:18 <laugh>. That's so great. <laugh>. Yeah. It's uh, it's an interesting thing, man. Just culturally the scenes are different, you know? It Speaker 1 00:33:26 Is. I mean, it's like they've, they've built a, they've built a culture around, around, um, like original live music. Yeah. It's, it's good. It's, um, like anything else, there's a lot of, there's, there's a lot of, uh, like there's a lot of good music and bad music, but it's, uh, like you can't fault 'em for, for, for getting something going. For sure. It's not really anywhere else. Speaker 2 00:33:48 Right. No. And I, I think that's what makes it great is just that it's different, you know? It, it's something that you have in other areas, but you just have it more often in that area. Yeah. You know, so it's super cool. Well man, it's been great having you on the podcast again for the second time. Speaker 1 00:34:07 Guess next time we do this we'll be going back to Chicago? Yeah, we'll do it on the, Speaker 2 00:34:10 We'll have to do it at, we'll Speaker 1 00:34:12 Just go to, we'll just go to Ireland. Speaker 2 00:34:14 Yeah, let's go. We'll take Dave with us to Ireland. Then we'll see the real Ireland. Sounds very fun. Yeah. <laugh>. But man, I appreciate you jumping back out and as always for playing our events. When you, when you have time, man, Speaker 1 00:34:27 It's like I love you guys. Like y'all, this is always y'all, y'all are always, uh, always a favorite of mine and it's always a pleasure being here. Yeah. I wish we've done it. I wish we'd have done it sooner. Yeah. Wish, wish you made it in, made it in a little bit earlier than this. Speaker 2 00:34:41 Yeah. Well I appreciate it man. And uh, we're gonna make you play some stuff with Kurt now. Speaker 1 00:34:46 Sweet. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:34:48 Well guys, I appreciate you listening to the podcast. Make sure you follow Chris Canterbury on social media and, um, if you enjoyed the podcast, rate us five stars or whatever you do on wherever you listen to podcasts. Hell Speaker 1 00:35:01 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:35:02 I'm Nicky T I'm Ozone. Speaker 1 00:35:04 I'm Chris Canterbury Speaker 2 00:35:06 And we'll see you in the front row. Speaker 1 00:35:07 Hell yeah. Speaker 5 00:35:08 <laugh>, Speaker 6 00:35:14 Bloodshot the two more cups of coffee further down the line. What comes next? I dunno. Nothing. A few more miles to go. 18 wide freight to one less time. Drive home take. I know on the time has come the final hall, 30 watts of power pushing out my curtain down. Let me get this Highway 18 rolling One last time. Drive home. Take me drive Speaker 7 00:38:27 Hell yeah. Right on dude.