Episode 133 - Zach Top

Speaker 1 00:00:01 Guys, thank you for checking out the Rays Rowdy podcast. Speaker 2 00:00:04 Yeah. If you're listening to this, please rate us five stars, we're great, and go to our website, raise rowdy.com. Speaker 1 00:00:10 We have one of the most talented young up and comers in the country music scene. Zach Top on today's episode. Speaker 2 00:00:16 Yeah. Big Z Top fans here over at Rays Rowdy, um, since I heard him for the first time and just so thankful to get some time on his schedule. He's got a lot of cool stuff coming out. We get some dates for some new music. Um, and we, at the end of this, we get to hear Kurt and him play his new single that they're gonna be dropping. So don't go anywhere unless it's to the cooler to get a beer and enjoy the Razor Roddy Podcast Speaker 0 00:01:00 Friday night. Some everything just right, it's called. Well, Speaker 2 00:01:11 Welcome to the podcast, the Raise Rowdy podcast. I'm Nikki t Speaker 1 00:01:15 I'm Kurt Oza, Speaker 2 00:01:16 And we have a very special guest this week. Mr. Zack Top. Speaker 3 00:01:19 Howdy everybody. Glad to be here. Thank you guys for having me. Absolutely, Speaker 2 00:01:23 Man. Thanks for coming in, uh, rocking with us, literally. Yes, sir. I'm rocking chairs Speaker 3 00:01:27 Rocking like crazy Speaker 2 00:01:28 Rocking chairs. Yeah. I'm com Speaker 3 00:01:29 Great. Can be. I just hope I don't fall asleep. Yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:01:33 Uh, but dude, thanks for coming out here and, uh, we've gotten to know you a little bit since you got to play the Round and I'm Yes, sir. Super excited to have you here at the, the luxurious podcast studio that we have. Heck Speaker 3 00:01:44 Yeah. I Speaker 2 00:01:45 Love it. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:01:46 Yeah. That was like one of the best like rounds I think I've ever been a part of. Yes. Um, so Zack Top Will Jones and Maestes Yeah. Was just incredible. Speaker 3 00:01:57 We can't forget Old Clay Hollis. Clay Hollis. Oh yeah. Clay, clay Hollis down, down in Texas. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yes sir. That Speaker 2 00:02:02 Was a great freaking round. So we, uh, yeah, that fun. We were an Ian Munk show and we were just like, had a crew of us out for a show. Yeah. Uh, down in Rome, Georgia. And Matt was like, bro, this is getting really western out here. And I was like, it's getting West turnt. And then both of our eyes lit up and we were like, well, that's a T-shirt for sure. There you go. And then we were like, okay, it's a cool t-shirt, but like, let's also make that around. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So we did that event and That's awesome. Asked Kurt, I was like, yo, are you down to play Dobro like all night on this? Yes. And he was like, absolutely. Speaker 3 00:02:36 I love it. I love it. Speaker 2 00:02:37 So that's kind of how that came to be. Speaker 3 00:02:38 It's great, man. It's so much more, I, I always think it's so much more fun on rounds and stuff when you can kind of pass it around a little bit. You know, obviously May and and Will are, are both great, great players and, and, uh, singers and stuff, and we kind of know some of our, you know, each other's music and stuff, so it's fun to pass around, but then it's great to like get something other than acoustic guitar in there and, uh, have a little change of pace, get some No, bro, on the solos and stuff, it sounded great and it's, it's a fun way to do a round for sure. It was Speaker 2 00:03:05 Fun. Yeah. Well, Speaker 1 00:03:06 I, I had heard your music before, you know, I've listened to it. Nikki something, he, Nikki said it to me and I was like, you're gonna love this stuff. You love bluegrass music, this is gonna be your shit. And it was, but I didn't know that you were like ripping guitar like you could And so when it came for a break Yeah. I'm like, damn, this guy's like Keith Whitley and Tony Rice, like combined or something. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:03:25 That's, that's two of the biggest influences I got. So I'll uh, I'll say a big old thank you for that. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:03:30 Absolutely. I appreciate it. It comes, seemed like that a lot of you guys, like I know when Luke was coming up, it was like, he was like bringing back nineties country. Yeah. And y'all are like bringing back like eighties country it seems like. Yeah. Man. Is that something like that you guys are like, intentionally doing, or just you guys happen to have the similar influences? Speaker 3 00:03:48 I, I always try to, I think there's a funny thing, uh, right now where there's kind of a fad with bringing back nineties stuff or eighties stuff or whatever mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, past time period you want to call it. And I, I don't, those all that stuff is what influenced me and what I grew up listening to. Um, you know, everywhere from 50 stuff, lefty Frak or you know, all the way up through Jones and Haggard of course, and Don Williams, and obviously Keith Whitley, he's, he's, you know, one of my favorite singers ever. Um, but that I've always, I've never tried to like, I'm gonna try and bring back the nineties sound. It's just like I'm making country music the way I feel. Country music and trying to write songs that I think people can relate with and stuff that comes from my heart. Speaker 3 00:04:35 And hopefully other people resonate with that. Yeah. And this is just, you know, sonically and stylistically how I feel it and what I want to hear when I'm making records. Yep. And, and so it's, you know, it, yeah. It certainly wasn't a calculated sorta, I think the nineties are coming back, so we need to make a nineties sound. It's just like this is my sound. Yeah. And I think same goes for Will and May, which, you know, obviously we're all like sonically somewhat similar, but they got their own little twist on, you know, Will's got little of that Southern rock side as well as obviously he came up in Bluegrass. I've known him for a long time. Kind of not super well we'd just met a couple times, but through the bluegrass world and um, and may grew up on some bluegrass too for sure. Um, and you know, it's kind of, we all kind of found our own little lane that's nobody's on top of each other and, and everybody's kind of, you know, making good old country music. There's Speaker 1 00:05:27 Definitely like schools in Nashville where like people that are the same age move the town at the same time and become friends and write together. And you guys have a super talented, like, it's almost like a clique, like a country music click, you know what I mean? Like Speaker 2 00:05:41 Well it's, that's the folks that you feel comfortable writing with cuz they're writing songs that, or even if you're writing a song for you specifically or something. Yeah. Like as long as you have people that know what you're looking for mm-hmm. <affirmative> and know the style of music that you are trying to shoot for. Yep. I think it's, Speaker 3 00:05:56 It's so beneficial. Absolutely. How long have you been in town? Only three years. I got moved here full-time, three years. Um, before that I was, uh, I I was flying in like for a week every month. Yeah. Um, working with my producer, I guess I can tell you how I got to town, if you want to hear that. Yeah. That back in, uh, 2018, I was living in, uh, Colorado at the time. I'd been there for a few years and I, when Darryl Singletary passed away, I put a cover, um, up on Facebook of, uh, spilled Whiskey, uh, one of his songs. And that kind of blew up for me when, you know, somewhat viral compared to what I'd been doing so far. I'd put up videos before and it'd be like 1500 views or something, that thing Right. Lock it up to 300,000 I think, within a matter of a couple weeks. Speaker 3 00:06:43 And, uh, so I started getting some calls from different, you know, smaller record labels, publishing stuff, management stuff. I started taking a bunch of calls, responding to a bunch of emails, and like, nothing really felt right to me. It, it all seemed like there was some sort of get rich quick scheme where it's like, come to town next week and we're gonna cut a record on you. And it's like, you don't even know me yet. Like, you, you've seen me do one song and it's been a good cover. I guess it's, I guess I think I even messed up the words in the video and just posted it anyway, <laugh>. Um, but, uh, no, it, and then it was so funny, uh, this guy, Carson Chamberlain, who's my producer and the guy who brought me to town, um, he sent an email and he was so funny. Speaker 3 00:07:28 He's just like, says in there, Hey, my name's Carson Chamberlain. I don't like to toot my own horn, but, uh, I've been working in the music business for a while and might be interested in working with you if you wanna look me up. There's some stuff online. And so, uh, anyway, that was kind of at the tail end of people calling and email and stuff off that video mm-hmm. <affirmative> and uh, and I kind of just like glanced over the email and archived it and never thought about it again. And then like three weeks later, I was out playing a bluegrass festival and, uh, my girlfriend at the time, my wife now Kenzie, uh, she called me and she's like, Hey, you remember this Chamberlain guy? Like, I don't know, name sounds kind of familiar. What, what's up? And she's like, well, I'm sending you a Wikipedia link right now and, uh, you're gonna wanna check that out and we probably want to email him back, <laugh> and <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:08:14 And so she texted over and I pulled it up and it's, you know, first thing he played, he was still guitar player and best friends with Keith Whitley his whole career. And, uh, and then tour managed Alan Jackson for five or so years. Produced all them first hits on Mark Wills produced the first, I think it was three records on, uh, Easton Corbin and like the First four or something on Billy Carrington. All my favorite stuff from all those artists. And it was kinda like, oh my goodness. For one thing, the guy's definitely the real deal. And then all the stuff that he's done is like great, great music as far as I'm concerned. Some of my favorite stuff that's happened in the last, you know, 10, 15 years I guess. Yeah. Um, and so he was like, oh my God, we gotta get Yes, please. Send him an email back and <laugh> I'll try and get him on the phone or something. Speaker 3 00:09:01 Yeah. So we started, we emailed back and forth a couple times, got on the phone a few times. Uh, like I said, I was living out in Colorado at the time. He happened to have a, his folks, uh, his parents live out there. So he come out in, uh, summer of 2018, I think it was 2018. And we got together down at my little college house. I was living with three roommates and we had a trashy little college house. And we, uh, we went out to lunch and then he'd come back to the house and hung out with us for a few hours. I sat there and played him some songs and stuff and we just kind of hung out. And the first starters, he's just like one of the coolest guys. Like, it's so funny. He's one of my best friends. He's in his sixties, but like, just we, you know, can finish each other's sentence, sentences it feels like. Speaker 3 00:09:42 And just on the same wavelength musically and, and, uh, anyway, just, you know, he's, I couldn't, uh, couldn't imagine how I would've got to town without him. It was always kind of a pipe dream till then. Um, but then, yeah, I started flying out. I'd stay at his house for the week. He'd set up rights for us. We were, you know, my first right in Nashville was, uh, with Mark Nestler, uh, you know, just to see you smile, living, living well, all that stuff. And it's like, uh, so that was, uh, that was kind of how I came to town. And then, yeah, I got moved out here full-time, March of 2020, big old boom for the music industry. Oh yeah. That time. So it was great. That was perfect. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:10:27 I moved, uh, during Covid two and um, a little later than you. Yeah. It's probably about, you know, that October of that Sure. That year. But yep. It's, uh, it's one of those things, man, where it's like there's no right time or wrong time to do it. Right. Yeah. It's just taking the opportunities that you have in front of you. And at that time it was, you probably had more time the write than you usually had. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:10:47 You know? Exactly. Exactly. Speaker 2 00:10:49 And so it's just get in, do what you can do and, and work that so that when the shows come back, you go out and play all those good songs. Exactly. Speaker 3 00:10:57 Exactly. It was crazy how it worked out too, cuz I had had kind of the year before we start to kind of do some meetings with some different people around town, publishers or whoever it was. And, uh, we'd end up getting kind of a handshake deal, uh, that it was like, we'll do a publishing deal with you when you get to town, um, with a guy and then Covid. And so anyway, when I was under that understanding, my wife and I bought a place down in Spring Hill, um, and then, uh, COVID hit and it was like, yeah, we're not paying to, uh, sign new acts right now. You know, nobody was right. And so I was like, oh my God, well we got this house, so we need to live there, I guess. So anyway, I ended up, I moved my wife and all our stuff out here and, uh, I kept my, I had a contracting company with a buddy of mine, Trevor, back in, uh, Colorado. Speaker 3 00:11:54 And we, uh, so I kept doing that. I'd go out there, work 15 days straight, and then be out here for six or seven days and, uh, do some writing and, you know, see my wife and stuff like that. Um, and so did that for, I think from May No, we, yeah, we got, sorry. We moved out May of 2020, uh, from May of 2020 till the following march, March, 2021 was when I actually finally got moved full-time. And I was just like tired of doing it. I was just like, I never see my wife. I'm out here, you know, working two weeks straight in Colorado, not, you know, we moved to Nashville, I'm supposed to be there, you know, chasing the dream or whatever, and I ain't doing it out here. So we were finally just like, I gotta figure out something and just make a paycheck while I'm out there and I need to be there full-time. Speaker 3 00:12:44 So we got moved out, uh, I got moved out full-time March of 2021, and, uh, just started working a little construction on the side and stuff. And it so happened like three weeks after I moved, um, the guys over at Major Bob Music, which is who I'm signed with now. Yeah. They, uh, they, a couple of their guys found me on TikTok and hollered at me, sent messages and all my platforms or whatever. And, uh, I hadn't, I felt so ignorant once I, uh, learned who they were, but I had no idea what the company was <laugh>. So I called Carson and just like, man, you ever heard of Major Bob Music? And he's like, oh yeah, I've heard of them <laugh>, we, uh, we ought to take a meeting there. And it was kind of funny right at the same time, like couple other publishers reached out and, uh, anyway, and Carson was like, let's go over and take the Major Bob meeting first. Speaker 3 00:13:31 And so we did, you know, they were all Covid Protocoling and whatnot. Yeah. We sat out in the parking lot in chairs in a circle, and I sat there and played about five songs. And, uh, Bob Doyle was, he was just like, well, what you think you need? And Carson's like, this boy needs a deal and <laugh>. And so that's awesome. Hobb was like, all right, well, let's see what we can do about that. And I think they sent first draft of paperwork over like the next week or something and That's awesome. It was, yeah. I, I couldn't have asked for it to kind of go better. I know, like, I feel really fortunate and almost like I didn't have to pay my dues quite like, I know a lot of people do. Um, it was kind of, I dunno, just watched in here and somebody saw me and thought they liked it, and it happened to be a very reputable, you know, great, great situation to be in. I love those guys. They've been great for me and, uh, been a lot of help for sure. So, yeah, it's, uh, Speaker 2 00:14:21 It's interesting once you, like, if you're trying to do it yourself or mostly by yourself, then you start getting some people behind you pushing with you and you're like, oh, this makes it easier. Yeah. You know, Speaker 1 00:14:31 <laugh>. Yep. Speaker 3 00:14:31 It's absolutely, Speaker 1 00:14:32 We've had so many people on, and everyone has their different success story, so many different ways to skin a cat, right? Yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Absolutely. And some guys came up playing four hour bar gigs mm-hmm. <affirmative> in their college town and moved to Nashville and been doing it that way. And some guys like are working in an oil field and they're singing on TikTok and a year later they're opening up for like Morgan won or whatever, you know what I mean? It's just like Exactly. You've got all the talent, man. So it's like, I Speaker 3 00:14:59 Appreciate that, just there's Speaker 1 00:15:03 Going on it, you know? Yeah, Speaker 2 00:15:04 Yeah, yeah. And that's like, so you had that viral moment on Facebook? Yeah. And then like, so I said, the first time I actually saw you, I was, I was actually at a festival, um, a festival we go to called Country Concert that you're actually playing. Yes, sir. And my buddy Jake was there with us. I ate Speaker 3 00:15:19 So fun. I miss it. Speaker 2 00:15:20 Yeah. We're gonna be there, baby. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry. Um, but we, I got a message from him while we were both there and we like stayed in the same camper and everything mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but he like messaged me. He's like, have you seen this Zack top kid? He's awesome. And I, I went back, I was like, who first told me about Zach? And I went back and like, searched your name, and I was like, oh, it's Jake. Oh yeah, somebody Jake, shout out Jake. Yeah. For, uh, heck for sending it to us. And I've just been paying attention since then, man. Like, uh, I appreciate that. That was bad luck, right? Yeah. Last July I think was when you were, like, last Speaker 3 00:15:51 July would've been col beer and country music was the first thing we put out. Yeah, yeah. Bad luck come out just a little later in the fall. Early fall or something after that. Speaker 2 00:15:58 Yeah. So, uh, it was like, okay, this sounds like a little bit like viz gill and a little bit like the nineties stuff, a little bit like the eighties stuff. And I was like, I mean, again, like I like a lot of different kind of country music Yeah. But like, that stuff lives really close to my heart mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because that's what, you know, when I was growing up, I'm 41, so when I was growing up, like that's the time I was growing up. Yeah. Like, so my dad would have the radio on and that's the stuff I'd be hearing know. Speaker 3 00:16:25 Yep, absolutely. Speaker 2 00:16:26 So, uh, when I heard that I was like, man, that's awesome. And I don't honestly at that time, didn't even like really realize that you were in town. Yeah. You know, I thought like, you might still be on the West Coast or, man, Speaker 3 00:16:35 It's hilarious, whatever it is. I still get that on. I've been here three years now and, and I still get people, you know, comment on TikTok or whatever, and it's like, yeah, boy, you need to move to Nashville <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:16:46 You're like, we're out here. Yep. Speaker 3 00:16:47 We done, done that. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:16:49 How did you end up as like a younger dude, what you 25, right? Yep. Is that right? How'd you end up finding all this like, classic country music? Speaker 3 00:16:56 That was, I mean, that was just what was on at my house. My folks were probably primarily big old George Strait fans, so that was kind of, I mean, I feel like I remember since I was three years old, uh, wanting to be George Strait and there's pictures of me as a baby holding a little Walmart, first act guitar mm-hmm. <affirmative> backwards and all dressed up in my wranglers in my cowboy hat and, and you know, singing at the top of my lungs, I'm sure. Um, and, uh, yeah, that was, I mean, so it was, it was way early on in, uh, the other one. It's so funny. The, one of my first like, kind of core memories I feel like is we'd go out, my, my dad runs a sail barn back in Washington, and, uh, and they, him and his partner used to be partner, I guess, uh, had a, uh, had to run a cattle out on our ranch out there. Speaker 3 00:17:48 We'd go up and feed sometimes and, and every time we get in my dad's little old blue Chevy pickup, and it was still a, a tape deck in there and he had a Marty Robbins cassette that was always in there. Oh, Marty Robbins, the, yeah. The Gun Fighter ballads and Trail songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, a so that was, you know, I was like, strawberry Rhone and Big Iron and You Tall Carol and Absolut, all that stuff. That's what like, I remember that way early on. And just those cowboy songs. And then George Strait obviously is, you know, obviously in that cowboy world too, and, and seeing country music and, you know, it was a little bit of everything. George Jones, Royal Haggard, Allen Jackson, stuff like that, you know, kind of from all of that, uh, I don't know, through all the pre two thousands I guess. Speaker 3 00:18:32 And, uh, and it was funny, I, we kind of, my parents didn't listen to any stuff after that. It was kind of, that was, you know, obviously like you're saying, they're older than you obviously. Yep. But, but that was the stuff they grew up with, so that was what they were cranking and they kind of just like, you know, once it got to be 2005 or something other than the new George Strait record coming out, they weren't listening to much. So yeah, that was just kind of what was always on for me. And, uh, you know, it was pre streaming or at least streaming being a big thing. Right. So it was just kind of the CDs that my parents had around that was the stuff I was listening to. So I remember probably when I was 10 years old or something, sitting down there with, uh, with a little tape deck and had a Keith Whitley, the Keith Whitley Greatest Hits thing, and sitting there learning, I'm no stranger of the rain and never go around mirrors and Miami and all that stuff. Speaker 3 00:19:24 And, um, how old were you then? I think I was, I wanna, my parents moved about 35 minutes from where I, or 45 minutes from where I grew up. Um, and it was shortly after that. It wa uh, they moved when I was 10, um, or we moved. Um, so, uh, yeah, it would've been sometime between 10 and 12 or something. I was got a big Keith Whitley kick and Dan Seals. It was just like, I was digging through all the tapes they had cuz there was a tape deck down in the little kind of room they had to set aside for us kids to play music and stuff. Um, all my siblings play and sing and stuff too. We had a family band for 10 years or so. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We, so yeah, I actually like started singing. There was more of you. Speaker 3 00:20:09 Yeah. Oh yeah. <laugh>. Oh yeah. Um, I actually started playing and singing, like kind of, or I guess seriously, my parents put me in lessons right before I turned five or something. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and like guitar lessons or Yeah, yeah, guitar lessons. My my oldest sister, um, she's about nine years older than me, um, so she, uh, was a really good classical pianist and stuff. And so she started teaching all us younger kids, uh, piano lessons. There's, they're Laken, that's the oldest sister. Um, and then I have a sister, Maddie, who's a year and a half older than me, and then a brother j uh, a year and a half younger. And so she was teaching us all kind of piano lessons real early on. And then I had, I needed to play guitar like, uh, like nobody's business mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So my folks <laugh> found a, found a teacher that would take me that young. Speaker 3 00:21:02 And she happened to be in the bluegrass world. Uh, Marie Parks was her name. She's a big reason why I'm here, so I'll shout her out. Um, but yeah, she kind of got us started on the Bluegrass Train and my fi uh, my sister Maddie started taking fiddle about the same time I started. She was, like I said, a year and a half older than me. And then not long after that little brother j started playing mandolin and my oldest sister picked up the bass. So we had us a little four piece bluegrass band. We'd play all the little grange halls and open mics and everything where they wouldn't throw stuff at us. And, uh, did that till, I guess I was about, we played our last show when I was 15, I think. Um, so yeah. Eight years or something. Um, fame got to you guys and you broke up <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:21:44 Exactly, exactly. We couldn't stand each other no more. No, it is funny. It's, it's, it is hilarious to look back at. I, I think I've always might be a, a tad difficult to work with, uh, in the, uh, family realm. They, I remember band practices. I, I, I wanted to, we need to be practicing, practicing our set three times a week and, and we need to put two hours in on it mm-hmm. <affirmative> and we need to do it this way. And I was telling everybody else how to do their parts. I think I was pretty miserable to work with, but, uh, they, uh, they stuck with me for a good little while and then said, go find some people that you like that you're gonna be a little nicer to. Um, but, uh, no, we all have great relationships now, but, uh, you know how kids are no doubt. Speaker 3 00:22:29 Yeah. And especially when you're so passionate with something. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Yeah. It's funny, like my sister Maddie, she, she's about to, she's gonna finish vet school here in May, and she just took a job in Nashville. Oh, who? Um, so she's around and, um, her and her husband's storm is, he and I were really good friends. We lived together in college and stuff, and so they're around, which is really fun. And last time I was on the Opry, I, uh, Maddie come up and played fiddle and, uh, sang some harmony with me on there. So that was really fun. None of them really, I guess they're all certainly talented enough, but just didn't really have the bug to go do it the rest of their life, I guess. And so my oldest sister, she's uh, um, she's a smart cookie. Had a master's degree from m i t and dang, uh, yeah. Speaker 3 00:23:16 Teaching, teaching math and chemistry now over at community college in Colorado. And cool little brother is still back in Washington working for the old sail barn. What is a sail barn? Sail barn. You run cattle livestock through there. Uh, my dad's the auctioneer talk fast and all that and uh, cool. Yeah. And it's so it's pretty western. Oh yeah. That is so cool, man. It's pretty western <laugh>. Yes. Um, yeah. So, uh, yeah, so he's still doing that up there, auctioning off anybody who wants to bring their cattle through there and they just make commission off every cow that comes through. So Speaker 2 00:23:52 I'm sure that means you had some pretty good steaks. Speaker 3 00:23:55 Yes, we did have, we always had a good supply of beef in the freezer, that's for sure. <laugh>. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:24:00 We were talking earlier and we were like, if you just had to pick like one meat to have for the rest of your life, and Speaker 1 00:24:06 I was like, one thing Speaker 3 00:24:08 A steak for sure. Yeah. No doubt. Steak, which cut, oh Speaker 2 00:24:12 Gosh. I don't know. Might be the filet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. If I could have unlimited of it. Speaker 3 00:24:16 It's hard to, yeah. It's hard to beat that. Beat that. Yeah. What about you? Yeah, maybe that, maybe a ribeye. Yeah. I don't know. New York strip is always good too. It's, I just love beef, I love like hamburger's good. You know, if you got a good fatty hamburger mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's hard to beat that too. So Speaker 2 00:24:32 Kurt likes beans the best Speaker 3 00:24:34 True beans. Yeah. Yeah. That's your favorite. Are you vegetarian? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. <laugh>. But I, I was wondering where that was going. Speaker 1 00:24:40 The, um, I said the one thing I would choose would be chicken wings and just like being at like a Hooters and like watching football and eating chicken wings there you beer go. That's Speaker 3 00:24:49 True. Nothing like that. Yeah. It Speaker 1 00:24:50 Can't be that. Love it. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:24:51 We were like, that's funny. If Speaker 2 00:24:52 It didn't make you fat and you could eat as much as you wanted of it with health, health concerns. Speaker 3 00:24:56 Exactly. What's your pick <laugh>? Yeah. Speaker 1 00:25:00 I mean, eating play every day would be get pretty expensive. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:25:03 Exactly. Speaker 3 00:25:04 Yes, it would. Yeah. I guess we didn't settle on it was gonna be a free lifetime supply, but it was just what's the best, the one thing Yeah. The one you'd pick. Speaker 2 00:25:13 Well, yeah, man, I got turned onto your songs from, you know, you talked about col beer and country music. Yeah. So that was your first like single, you dropped as an artist. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:25:21 Yeah. Yeah. As far as country stuff, I'd put out a, uh, I had recordings out in the Bluegrass world and stuff for mm-hmm. <affirmative> a little while, but yeah, that was the first kind of got to Nashville and made my first little splash my little ripples in country music, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I was, it, we were fortunate enough to the major Bob crew kind of helped set up, uh, a relationship with the Opry. Uh, Dan Rogers over there and everybody there has has been super really sweet to me and, and given me, you know, same thing, just opportunities before I'd really, I felt like I'd, you know, deserved him or anything. And, um, they were, so that was cold beer came out in, uh, last July and they let me debut it on Opry, which was just awesome. Uh, dream came true. Yeah. Whew. Speaker 1 00:26:09 Were you nervous? I thinking? Speaker 3 00:26:11 Yeah. Oh yeah. And that's like, you know, I've been on stage since I was seven years old. It's, I don't, most of the time don't get too nervous Right. Anymore, but that was <laugh>. I tell everybody that I think from about 10 minutes before I went on to about 15 minutes after, I don't think my heart came down under 200 beats per minute. Yeah. And that's wild. It was, uh, wild. Yeah, it was wild. I tried to sit there and soak it in a little bit, but, uh, <laugh> I just rushed through it, I think, and that's why I to enjoy it. Yeah, exactly. <laugh>, they let me come back and I was a little more calm and could enjoy it a little, little more the next time. Yeah. But it was, yeah, surreal and just so awesome. Speaker 1 00:26:46 First time I played the Opry, uh, I was playing steel guitar and, and I with, when it was, when I was with Jan Kramer. Okay. And before I played for Luke. Yeah. And you could hear my vibrato, like you could hear like the wavering little Speaker 3 00:27:00 Accentuation Yeah. Speaker 1 00:27:02 <laugh> and, and like Tommy White who's like one of the best still guitar players ever is just Yeah. Chilling side stage. Yeah. So that I could get the good, you know? Exactly. Don't Speaker 3 00:27:10 Watch me. Please go somewhere else. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:27:12 No. He's like one of the nicest guys in the world. Mm-hmm. Hmm mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But he's also one of the best players in the world. But Yep. I was so nervous and like, I, I don't really, I mean, I play on stage for a living. Yeah. I don't get that nervous, but Exactly. The Opry was, it was one of my most nerve-wracking moments I would say. For sure. Speaker 3 00:27:28 Yeah. Man, there's just a weight to it. It's just like everybody came through here. Everybody that's anybody pretty much, you know, as far as country music anyway. Yeah. It's, you know, and it's wild to think, yeah. You're still standing on that wood that they used to stand on mm-hmm. <affirmative> whenever, when Hank Williams was singing on there, it's mm-hmm. <affirmative> Wild Speaker 1 00:27:46 And you're playing some amp you've never played through and there. Yeah. It's not like you get a long sound check or anything. Oh Speaker 3 00:27:51 No. <laugh>, that's the, yeah. That's part of the, you know, the whole experience of the Opry. You just run out there, plug it in and hope everything you can hear everything in your wedge or your monitors or whatever. Yeah. If Speaker 1 00:28:01 Still can do it, you can do it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:28:03 Well, no <laugh>. Yeah. Same. Nope. <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:28:06 You're like, I don't think that's how it Speaker 3 00:28:07 Works. I would love to say that that's how it works, but I don't think so. <laugh> <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:28:12 But yeah, man, it's, uh, it's been cool. And then, um, whenever I show someone your music, I usually show bad luck. Speaker 3 00:28:19 Okay. Speaker 2 00:28:19 And just like, in my opinion, you're vocal on that is about as pure of a country sound as you can get. I Speaker 3 00:28:27 Appreciate that, man. Absolutely. Absolutely man. Thank you. Just, Speaker 2 00:28:29 It's just pure country gold. Yeah. I'm just like, man, Speaker 3 00:28:32 It's so interesting. We, we released that song, so we did cold beer last July, and then, uh, there's The Sun's, you know, pretty Love Ballad and stuff that came out, I think in September, or no, it came out in October. And then it was just like an afterthought. We'd had, we had a handful of things in the Can Ready to Go. Um, but it was kind of an afterthought. It was like, oh shoot, Halloween's coming up, uh, bad luck. That's kind of, you know, that's a funny, whatever. It could be a Halloween thing. Let's put that out. And so it was like two weeks out and we decided to release it. And so there was not much promo or anything behind it, and we just kind of tossed it out there and let people know that it was out. And, uh, that's become a crowd favorite man. Like, playing it out at shows and stuff and just stuff all, you know, I do this little TikTok show every Wednesday night at 8:00 PM Central Time. Like a live Y'all be there. Be Square. Yeah. So, we'll Speaker 1 00:29:25 People follow you on Zack top on TikTok. Yes, Speaker 3 00:29:28 Yes. Speaker 1 00:29:28 Sing songs live there. Speaker 3 00:29:29 Yep. Yep. And that's, you know, that's one of the ones I get requested most. And it was like, cold beer was like my thing. Like, this is me, this is straight down the middle, Zack Top. This is what people gotta hear first. And then there's The Sun's like one of the most powerful love songs I feel like I've ever been a part of writing. And That's beautiful, gorgeous song that was, yes. Thank you. Thank you. I love that one man. Now it's my girlfriend, ferret. Hell yeah. Most of the girlfriends <laugh>. Oh, love that song. Oh yeah. Um, yeah. Oh my God. She heard exactly. There's you and she's like, <laugh>. Yeah. That was, man, that was one of the coolest moments on the Opry debut. I, we did cold beer with the whole band and stuff, and it was rocking. And then, um, I actually just did, there's the Sun, uh, solo by myself, and they had a little spotlight down on me and whatnot, and I just sang with the acoustic guitar and it was, it was, I remember just like, I was so nervous up there doing it. Speaker 3 00:30:21 And then I got to that in the, at the end of the first chorus, the hook comes around, there's the sun, there's a moon, then there's you. And people just went wild. And they're screaming and stuff. And it was like, oh, okay. They do like it. All right. I can make it through the rest of it. So it was kind of funny. But yeah, that's, that's one of the, definitely one of the favorites. But yeah, bad luck is people love that thing. And it's just funny how it came about. That was never one of the calculated, we gotta put this one out as a third single. It's just like, Hey, should we throw this out and be fun? It's Halloween and <laugh>. People love it. So its, and I love the song too. It's great. It's a great song. And again, I just think it just captures your voice so well. Speaker 3 00:30:58 I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. And it's got a little of that like bluegrass vibe a little bit mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, more than cold beer or Yeah. Or there's the Sun Does, which is, you know, that's kind of part of my little thing that makes me a little different, I guess. Yeah. It's funny You don't like, it feels like nobody right now that's like huge, uh, mainstream wise, you know, had a ton of blue grassroots, it feels like that used to be, you know, Whitley and, and Ricky's gags and stuff like that. Like a lot of those guys were coming outta the bluegrass world and, you know, making it in country. And I feel like that's been a thing that's kind of been missing for a little while. So it's, I don't know, it's fun to kind of lean into that side of it and people have seemed to enjoy it so far. Speaker 3 00:31:40 And so I'll keep doing it. And you know, the new song Kinda Woman I like is a little in that vein too. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Let's do it. Um, what you wanna hear about. Um, so, uh, who did you write it with? Uh, I wrote it with Carson Chamberlain, uh, my producer and then, uh, Michael White. Okay. Oh, he, uh, he had the baby with Blake Shelton. He's had a ton of cuts, not a ton of singles. He'll, he'll tell y'all about that. <laugh>. He's, he's one of the funniest guys. He's, he's got his Zach top single now. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Hopefully that hits the radio so he can get paid. But <laugh>, um, <laugh>, no, it's, um, he was one of the first guys we wrote with too. When Carson started bringing me into town. Um, Carson had been buddies way back. Speaker 3 00:32:26 They've had a bunch of cuts together and stuff and he's a great writer. Um, and uh, yeah, we, that song's, I don't know, it's not old, it's old now. It's funny how quickly you, like, once I got moved here and it was like, we're writing a couple, few days a week, how quickly the catalog builds up and it's like, oh my God. It's fun to go back to like, early on and like go back through a bunch of the stuff you've got, you know, little work tapes, oven and stuff and revisit. And that was kind of what happened with kind of Woman I like, um, that was kind of one that we had like 10 songs kind of picked out and it ended up being an 11th. We had a little extra time on our studio session and it was like, we can sneak another one in here, you guys down to stick around just, you know, 15 minutes later or something to the players and, and they're like, yeah, we'll do it. We'll do it. And so we ended up cutting that one, the very last thing we cut on the first kind of couple days in the studio. And uh, and it turned out just killer. We, we already loved the song, but the track is rocking and it's, it's fun. Speaker 1 00:33:33 Who, uh, played on it? Speaker 3 00:33:35 Uh, it was Brent Mason on guitar. Speaker 1 00:33:37 Okay. I've heard of him. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:33:38 Yeah. If you haven't you better go look him up. Yeah. Um, <laugh>, you know who he is, even if you don't know his name, he's got Speaker 1 00:33:44 A good Wikipedia article about him. Yes. Speaker 3 00:33:46 Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. Um, and Scotty Sanders on Steel, which is of course Speaker 1 00:33:51 He played on possib Luke stuff too. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:33:53 Yeah. Oh he did? I didn't know that. Okay. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:33:55 He played on doing this. Heck Speaker 3 00:33:56 Yeah. Heck yeah. He is super nice guy. One of, yeah. Very nice. And one of the funniest sobs in town. He is hilarious. Just the little one-liners that he comes outta nowhere with. He's super dry and just like be in the studio with him and then he'll just drops something on you and like, takes you a second to what <laugh>. I won't repeat any his jokes cuz some of 'em are a little off color, but Yeah. <laugh>. Um, but it's, he's hilarious. I love Scotty and Gary Prim on piano. He's session leader, uh, which he is probably the sweetest guy I've ever met. Um, Andy Leftwich on fiddle, um, who's just a badass, A monsters. Yeah, dude. Yeah. And it was, we wanted somebody that kind of came from the bluegrass world a little bit, which, you know, a bunch of Stuart Duncan and Yeah. And you know, a lot of the big session fiddle players are kind of come from the bluegrass world a little bit. But I loved Andy's, Andy's playing a lot and, and uh, so that was it. Fit great. He's awesome. Um, what else? Glenn Warf on bass, um, and Tommy Harden on drums. The dang groove master. Right Speaker 1 00:35:02 On. I gotta tell you guys, I got a funny text today. Um, someone texted me to play fiddle on a session. Oh, <laugh>. I was like, there you go. I'm like, I don't know man. I don't think I'm ready for this <laugh>. Cause I just, Speaker 3 00:35:13 You just told me you started taking lessons that, the words getting around though. Speaker 1 00:35:17 Yeah. And uh, and I'm like, I gave him someone else's number. <laugh>. I gave my buddy Preston. Cause he wants someone that could come in and just do fiddle and steel life real quick. So I'm like, I was outta town. It's actually how many at the studio downstairs? Speaker 3 00:35:29 How many steel and fiddle players are there in town? Well, Speaker 1 00:35:33 Preston is one who plays, what's his last name? Um, wait, Preston, wait, I think is his last name. He plays his brothers Osborne. Okay, okay. Yeah. And, uh, he's from Texas. Yep. And that's the only one I know, I think. Okay. I I want, it's like one and a half. I'm trying to be one. I'm, I'm sure there are some. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:35:52 It feels like steel players just do steel. You gotta be zoned in on steel and nothing else. Maybe a little do, bro. I know <laugh> and this guy does it all. I just feel like all the steel players I've run across is just like, no man, I don't even, I don't even mess with do bro. Fiddle. Speaker 1 00:36:07 Fiddle is the hardest thing I've ever tried to do. Same. It's harder than steel. Same. Speaker 3 00:36:10 Yeah. I would agree with that. I like, I've, I've messed around with steel a little bit and I ain't no steel player and I'm, you know, I, I'll let somebody else handle that, but I've messed around with it just cuz I love the instrument. But that I, I've kind of, I'm able to pick up most things. Like I can play a little banjo. I can play mandolin. I played mandolin, bluegrass bands before. I can play a little bass. I can, you know, mess around obviously guitar and kind of anything. I've played Dobro before and stuff and, but then steel was a struggle. But fiddle is just, Speaker 1 00:36:44 It's another level of pain Speaker 3 00:36:46 In my mind. I think I know how it works. And then just making my hands do it. Speaker 1 00:36:49 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:36:50 Miserable. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:36:51 It's funny watching Kurt cuz like, I've known Kurt for a while mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but he's been good at everything that I've known him do. Speaker 3 00:36:57 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like chess, Speaker 2 00:36:59 Photography, every instrument that I've seen him play. Yep. So like watching him learn something is kind of neat. Yeah. You know, because I'm like, been his buddy and I'm like, oh, he is good at all of this stuff. And then it's like, but you're Speaker 3 00:37:09 Still a human too. Yeah. Not Speaker 1 00:37:11 Good at, not good at the fiddle yet, but Speaker 3 00:37:13 He will be. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 2 00:37:14 You know, like, that's how it kind of works. Speaker 3 00:37:16 We've seen the track record. You gotta be good. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:37:18 You're good at the things you wanna be Speaker 3 00:37:19 Good at. Cheers. I Speaker 1 00:37:20 Appreciate it. Exactly. Yeah. I'm trying. Speaker 2 00:37:22 But yeah. Cheers to Speaker 1 00:37:23 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, um, I know you're talking about you're playing country concert and you got some gigs coming up mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, what's the lineup like in your band? Like when you're playing the, the full gig? Like, Speaker 3 00:37:33 We run a a five piece right now. Um, got, uh, the, the man Aaron Goodrich playing drums for me, he's been Speaker 1 00:37:42 Oh, Aaron plays with you. Yeah. You Speaker 3 00:37:44 Know Aaron? Yeah. Yeah. Heck yeah. He's, yeah. I love Aaron. He's awesome. I've known him Speaker 1 00:37:47 Him for probably 10 years. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:37:49 Heck yeah. He's an awesome guy and just a blast to hang out with and obviously great, great player. Cool. Um, a fellow I've known for a long time, Jimmy Meyer plays bass. I know him from the bluegrass world. Uhhuh. <affirmative>. Do you know Mary Meyer? Yes. Ben. Her and Aaron are dating, she plays acoustic and sings harmony. Um, she's kind of how she Speaker 1 00:38:08 Plays fiddle, right? Yeah. Also, man, she plays and Speaker 3 00:38:11 Everything. She plays everything. Piano and guitar. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's one of those losers like you that can do it all. Speaker 1 00:38:17 <laugh>. She's better than me, but yeah. <laugh>, Speaker 3 00:38:20 No. Yeah, she's great. Um, and then Resnick playing steel guitar. Oh, I Speaker 1 00:38:27 Know Brent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, I mean we're like, and I know him from the internet. We'll chat about steel. Speaker 3 00:38:31 Yeah. You have to <laugh>, you have to, the steel circle is small. You kind of know everybody who's around. Yeah. Used to play with Casey and stuff. He's now on the Wheeler Walker Jr. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> gig. Which is hilarious. I love, every time he is out on a gig with me, he's just picking his brain on Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:38:47 Wheeler Speaker 3 00:38:47 Walker Speaker 1 00:38:47 Jr. Their guitar player actually. Okay. Yeah. I'm like, dude, what's it like playing for Wheeler Walker? And he's like, it's like insane. Like it's crazy Speaker 3 00:38:54 Difficult to keep a straight face. I've heard <laugh>. Yes. On stage. Speaker 1 00:38:57 He's got a good band though. He's got a talented band. Heck yeah. And they're like, he's like, you know, they're country players, you know, it's not like a, there's no jokes about the musicians in the band. The songs are like absolutely funny. But like, yeah. Speaker 2 00:39:09 And I don't know if it's still like this, but they said when he's on the road, he's in character the whole time. At least like on those first tours. Okay. So like when he's on the road, he's Wheeler on Speaker 3 00:39:20 The road road. True. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, <laugh> Brett kinda said, you know, he's kind of said he's, he's uh, he's a little more reserved like until it gets on stage. And like if he's not doing a meet and greeter at, you know, interview or something, obviously he's in character for all that stuff, but he's like, it's funny, he'll say he's just like, he's a very not that person Right. When you're just hanging out with him on the bus or something. The opposites funny. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 1 00:39:44 That'd be a lot to be's on the bus if he was like always on. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:39:47 Oh dude. Yeah. No kidding. All Speaker 1 00:39:49 I gotta tell. Lemme tell a quick story. Side story. Yes. We had this on with the Luke camp. We had this videographer guy and um, just a weird guy from England, <laugh>. And he came over and was working for Luke doing video. Yeah. And he wanted like the full American experience and he would eat McDonald's every day. <laugh>. Cause he thoughts, that's like what Americans do, even though I'm like, dude, you got catering. Why are you walking to McDonald's? <laugh>? And his name's Stu Stewart and he's an English guy and we'd come, we hope Speaker 3 00:40:21 You're okay with us telling this about you Stuart <laugh>. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:40:24 Whatever. It's fine. You're good. And we'd all call him Country boys too. Yeah. Cuz he started acting country. Yeah. You know, every, but he's from England. He got a tattoo. I'm sure it's removed now, but it said on his thought and it was about this big and it said eating pussy and kicking ass. Speaker 3 00:40:38 Oh my gosh. Speaker 1 00:40:40 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:40:40 That's aggressive. Speaker 3 00:40:41 That is very aggressive. Speaker 1 00:40:43 <laugh>. Like, and he was like big. Like, that's honestly hilarious. Like if he's wearing short shorts, like the swim trunks, like he could see it. Speaker 3 00:40:51 Oh, that's funny. I've Speaker 2 00:40:52 Done some, some generous stuff, but that even tops me. Speaker 3 00:40:54 That's <laugh>, that's so Speaker 1 00:40:56 Funny. He's a big Wheeler Walker fan, I guess. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:40:59 I love it. Speaker 1 00:40:59 Shout out to Country Boy two. Yes Speaker 3 00:41:01 Sir. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:41:02 Proud of England. Speaker 3 00:41:02 Shout out to country boy. Stu and Wheeler. Keep doing what you're doing. Speaker 2 00:41:07 So you were talking about a single and then off of a project. Yeah. So, uh, so do you have a date for the single? This in theory could be out, you know, already have announced, but yeah. Speaker 3 00:41:19 Single will be out, uh, Wednesday, may 10. Cool. Um, yeah, very excited for that. We'll have a bunch of promo stuff coming out on socials and all that stuff. Speaker 1 00:41:31 Our live video played before Speaker 2 00:41:33 The podcast. Speaker 3 00:41:33 Yeah, exactly. I love it. Yeah. So yeah, we'll, we'll have a bunch of stuff coming out about that real soon and, uh, yeah. Excited for that to be out. And then, uh, that will be included along with the, we got four singles put out right now. Kind of woman will make it fifth and uh, that'll be on a full project, 14 Tracks, um, that I'm very excited for people to hear. We've been writing a ton of songs and, uh, kind of picked some of our favorites and got 'em all cut and that'll come out June 21st. Awesome. So yeah, I'm pumped about that. We'll have it, have it ready for the, uh, for the country concert. Yes. Hopefully everybody knows it by then. Yeah. And, uh, we'll just play the whole record and everybody can sing along and just funny see if that happens. I'm just manifesting into a, it'll happen into existence. I think <laugh> the, Speaker 2 00:42:23 Uh, the first time that Drew Parker played at Country Concert Yeah. He was over there and we were just hanging out by the front of that side stage. Yeah. And, uh, you know, he knew us like we'd met Drew and hung out a little bit. Yeah. And he's like, what's up guys? He's like, man, you think anyone's gonna come over here? And I was like, oh, drew. Yes. Speaker 3 00:42:41 Yeah. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:42:42 Like, first of all, the style of music that you do, like traditional country music Yeah. These folks in Ohio, like Yeah. Boy Ohio is a big traditional country music when Flatland played there, they crushed. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a great market for that. Oh yeah. So I was like, you were gonna be thoroughly surprised by the amount of people that come in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like what had happened and people were just kept flooding it in, like Yeah, yeah, yeah. His set was going on. I remember him like looking at me and being like, you know, we're doing Speaker 3 00:43:09 It. It's Speaker 2 00:43:09 Doing it <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:43:10 That's Speaker 2 00:43:11 Awesome. It's, it's kind of cool, man. That's, uh, that Speaker 3 00:43:13 First concert's fucking awesome, man. It's great. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:16 So Kurt of course played there with Luke. Yeah. The first year you were like, it was them and Brothers Osborne. Okay. And who was after you Speaker 3 00:43:24 Eric Church headline up there. Speaker 2 00:43:26 Yeah. That's a pretty good lineup. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:43:28 That's all right. And then they, I heard a couple of them names. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:32 And then they got the headline and he got to like, yeah. Really come over and hang with our crew for a little. Yeah. And like, Speaker 3 00:43:37 It's awesome. I love Contra Con. It's so much fun. Dude. I'm pumped. That's, that's gonna be the first like really huge festival. I've done some festivals and stuff and they've been great. Like I love the, the festival scene is one of my favorites, just like making a weekend out of it and, you know, summertime, outdoor things, outdoor comes with its own set of challenges. Yeah. Right. It's, it can kind of be a bitch every now and then, but for the most part it's, it's the best vibe. It's, it's so fun. And, um, so I'm pumped to, that's like I said, the first like really big, uh, kind of thing I've been on. So I'm really excited to see man, it's Speaker 2 00:44:15 Yeah. Amazing festival. Here's Yeah. Yeah. Amazing festival. Still privately owned, still written by the family that started it. Yeah. You know, 40 years running and uh, man, it's, it's such a cool B y o B inside with coolers. No Speaker 3 00:44:32 Kidding. I, I don't even know all this stuff. You can Speaker 2 00:44:34 Be B Y O B in there. Coolers. Speaker 3 00:44:36 I will be B y o b it up. Yeah. <laugh> cool Speaker 2 00:44:38 Beer in Speaker 3 00:44:38 Country music. Exactly. Neil McCoy Speaker 2 00:44:40 Will probably be there. There Speaker 3 00:44:42 You go. <laugh>. I Speaker 2 00:44:42 Love it. He does, he plays there probably more than anyone ever has. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Neil McCoy is probably the most Actis play there the most times. Really? Yeah. He always, he just crushes live. Speaker 3 00:44:52 Yeah. I working dance his ass. Speaker 2 00:44:54 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He does Speaker 3 00:44:55 Good. I saw him <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:44:56 Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, but man, it's, that's the first like country festival I really went to was there. Okay. Yeah. And it was way before Ray Rowdy started. Yep. You know, we were just going for a buddy's bachelor party Oh. And we never stopped. Yep. Because Speaker 3 00:45:09 It's that. That's awesome. Successful. That's Speaker 2 00:45:11 Killer. I can't wait for you to experience it. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:45:13 I'm pumped. I'm pumped. Hopefully. That's awesome. Well, I guess we're playing the night before, so I won't I was gonna say, I like my original thought when we got booked for is just like, I just wanna be up there all weekend and just hang out. Yeah. But I think we got a Friday show before. Yeah. We play Saturday afternoon, but Speaker 2 00:45:28 You gotta, you gotta play this paint blast. That's how it works, you know? Yep. Speaker 3 00:45:31 Exactly. We gotta get the tweeners to get the bus down the road. The bus, my small pickup with Yeah. Five people crammed into it and all the gear in the bed, baby. Speaker 2 00:45:40 That's how it works. Speaker 3 00:45:41 Five pickers in an old Chevy truck there. Go <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:45:44 That works sometimes. Well Speaker 3 00:45:45 That's what chasing that, that's a truck Speaker 2 00:45:47 Out there too. Speaker 3 00:45:48 Yeah, it is. Yeah. Not big. It's not a small truck. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:45:51 <laugh>, Matt's got the four foot bed. How long's yours? Eight. Eight? Yeah. Oh Speaker 3 00:45:55 Yeah. You got, you gotta shove sheets of plywood in there when you're look in construction. So Yeah. Speaker 2 00:45:59 My, uh, my truck is a 2012 Hyundai Elantra, so There you go. Speaker 3 00:46:02 You Speaker 2 00:46:03 Got me beat. Yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:46:04 There you go. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:46:06 But man, it's, uh, it's been cool like watching the scene kind of like have a revival of like that traditional sound Yeah. And like it really to start popping online too, you know? Yep. Because like, that's a different thing too, like that means that there's people that are outside of Nashville Yep. And that are, that are really craving that. Speaker 3 00:46:25 Absolutely. You know? Absolutely. And you're Speaker 2 00:46:27 Seeing that I'm sure on those TikTok lives. Yep, yep. You know? Speaker 3 00:46:29 Yeah. People really re you know, it's, they're, yeah, they're in there, they're requesting nothing but you know, Shannon Doe or Joe Duffy or you know, mark Chestnut and all the older stuff too, Joan and Haggard, and that's the only stuff people request. And it's just like, heck yeah, I know all this stuff. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:46:47 Yeah. It's, it's really fun. It's been great and I, I feel really, really grateful. A lot of the, um, like, I feel like I'm late to the game as far as a lot of this, you know, like the May Estes and the Will Jones and Sam Banks or Timothy Baker. Sure. Yeah. Uh, Dan Alley, all these guys, like, they've all been here a good bit longer than I have, um, as far as I know. And they've been really kind to me and, you know, letting me be kind of part of the <laugh> quote unquote click <laugh>. Yeah. Um, and letting me kind of, I don't know. Yeah. Be a part of their crowd and it's been fun, but it's, it's fun to see other people killing it and, and uh, doing kind of, you know, country music as, as, uh, we all see fit and it's great. It's really fun to watch and really fun to be a part of. Yeah, man, it's a Speaker 1 00:47:35 Good time to be a fan of country music too. Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 3 00:47:37 Is. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:38 Because I know like when I moved to town and it was like FGL and, and Sam Hunt and stuff, whatever mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's like, if you're a fan of the traditional stuff, it's definitely coming back. Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 00:47:48 <affirmative>. Yeah. Agreed. Well, that's the thing is that like, for so long there, it was just, it was just that the FGL thing broke, whatever. Yeah. And, and I don't, I ain't knocking them guys for, you know, doing what, what they liked to do. Yeah. But the thing that bothered me was there was no variety for a while. And, you know, other than, you know, for a minute there, Easton Corbin, like at Billy Carrington, the first few records mm-hmm. <affirmative> and stuff like that was like, they, they kind of held some the storm together. Yeah, exactly. Josh, but then Josh. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:48:17 Josh Turner. Speaker 3 00:48:18 Yeah. Stuff like that. But, uh, it's, it feels like it's been a while since it's been like, oh, there's some damn country music there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, you know, you get some of it now with Luke, you know, which I shoot, that's been a little while now, a few years that he's, you know, been top of the scene pretty much. And you know, and even Morgan Wallen, as much as he's got a bunch of stuff that's real, you know, hip sounding and, and got the 8 0 8 rocking and whatever it, you know, doesn't sound like country music to me, but then he'll come out with something like, I don't think Jesus done it that way. That thing man now is, I told my wife, uh, when that song came out, um, that was like the first time in a wild I'd heard a new song and I got chills big time. Speaker 3 00:49:04 And he's had a few things like that. I love that. Uh, shoot, what, uh, thought you should know. Um, yeah, I usually know that song. Yeah. Um, that that's a great song. You know, e even he's got some of that traditional flavor to him too. Yeah. And I just love how there's just, it's across the board you got, you know, everything cuz you still got a lot of the Florida, Georgia line, whatever the more poppy sound of, of you know, poppy side of things, but then you got some of the, you know, real traditional stuff that guys like me really like too. And, um, it's just fun to have a whole bunch of it. And that's the thing that, like, I think that's fun when you turn on the radio, which I know radio's, you know, whatever, whatever's happening to radio now. Um, but like I'd love to hear, if I hear eight songs in a half hour, I'd love to hear some variety. Speaker 3 00:49:58 Yes. It's fun to hear. Yeah. You know, Luke Combs and Morgan Wall and Megan Moroni and you know, and then you still got stuff, you know, Kelsey Baller your, whatever it is. There's, there's a bunch of variety in there, which is fun to me and not just, I agree. The same kind of cookie cutter thing where it's like, I think I've heard this before. Yeah. Which is, that's my favorite thing about it, you know, whatever. If it's radio or just the Spotify, you know, big country playlist or whatever, you bounce through those and you hear some stuff that's ah, Speaker 1 00:50:26 When people complain, I didn't Speaker 3 00:50:27 Like the Speaker 1 00:50:27 Last one. I know. Right. It's like when people complain about country music or the state of it, it's not country music. It's like you're just being lazy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Yeah. Go take five seconds and just look up a Z top record or whatever's. Speaker 2 00:50:40 There's plenty of good like Yeah. And then look at what they say is similar, you know? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:50:44 There's never, they, they've never had it easier to like Yeah. Discover, you know, whatever little lane of music, whether it's country or otherwise, you know. Yeah. The way Spotify does the, all the little related artists, it's, I I love seeing that cuz it's, it's, I go down to the bottom of my Spotify page or whatever and it's all my favorite. You know, Jake Worthington good buddies with him. I love what he's doing. He is too. One of the singings guys I've ever heard. Crazy. So crazy. Yeah. Him and Will Jones, may Estes and Sure. You know, a bunch of the Texas guys out there and, um, it's fun to, it's just like, yeah. Those are the related artists. Yeah. I love those guys. Like they're, they're doing what I'm doing, you know, in their own little Yeah. Way that makes 'em unique and it's, I don't know, it's fun to, fun to see that. Speaker 1 00:51:31 I was doing a photo shoot somewhat recently, probably a year ago now, and I, while we were taking the photos is what Keller I put flatland on in the background while we were making the pictures and the record ended, it was like their new EP or whatever and then it played, the next band was Mike and the Moon Pies. And I was taking these pictures and I stopped, I go, what band is this? This is awesome. And that's why I looked it up and like, and now I'm like a huge fan of those guys. Yeah. Just cuz the computer showed it to me. Thank you. I know. Speaker 3 00:51:59 Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Well, yeah, you can, you can find what you're looking for if you just do a little digging mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then as soon as you find the first one, it gives you 12 more that's, you know, in that same vein or whatever. Speaker 1 00:52:11 And now we know if you like Zach who to check out cause you've told us. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 00:52:15 I remember the first time I got to see Turnpike Troubadours. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> was like, before I really knew Turnpike Troubador mm-hmm. <affirmative> like 2015. And, uh, we were going to Chicago for a outdoor hockey game and while we were up there we were like, oh, we gotta go see a shows at Joe's on Weed Street. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and Joe's had turnpike playing there. And so like, I was like, oh, who's this band? Maybe we'll go see them. Yeah. And then I looked up their music and I was like, my jaw just dropped. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:52:42 Every day I'm working on the Illinois River. Oh. So good old John Harford song. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:52:47 <affirmative>, I was just like, where has this been my whole life? Yeah, dude. And I guess it was in Oklahoma, you know, <laugh> Speaker 3 00:52:53 I guess. But Exactly. It's just Speaker 2 00:52:55 So cool when you get to have like a moment where like you hear a artist or you hear a song and it just like touches you. Yeah. You know? Speaker 3 00:53:02 Absolutely. Speaker 2 00:53:03 Uh, so I heard you, you know, you said you got chills when you heard a song. Yeah. Do you remember like the first thing you can remember song wise or like even artists that like really gave you chills? Like as, as you're growing up? Speaker 3 00:53:18 Gave me chills. I don't remember. I do know the, the one song that stuck with me as far back as I can remember. Yeah. And still does just, you know, hit me hard is Amarillo by morning. Yeah. It's a funny story. I went in, you know, a nearly five year old, uh, to my first guitar lesson and my teacher, for starters, I'm left-handed, so I was holding the right-handed guitar left-handed. And she was like, all right, well let's turn that around over here. So she had a point in the right way and that was good start. And then she's like, well, what do you wanna learn how to play? I said, Amarillo by morning. And she's like, oh, okay, well let's, maybe let's work up to that. We'll start with Jesus Loves Me or something and got my, uh, got my priorities straight. Who the, you know, who the king was Yeah. Speaker 3 00:54:05 The <laugh> and let Alone, let Alone, uh, yeah. She, uh, she knew he had to build a little foundation before I could be playing him three minors on Amarillo that morning. Yeah. But that's like, that's one of, you know, I as a kid, that was just, I was, I'd sing the words wrong. My, my family still makes fun of me. I, uh, I guess the worst one I did on that last verse, um, I'm wondering, uh, from Santon, everything that I got is just what I got on. I ain't got it done. But what I got is, no, it's second verse, the, the, I hope that judge ain't blind. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I guess I said, judge, I hope that judge ain't blind <laugh>. And I would argue with them till I was blue in the face as a five-year old that No, it's judge. What's a judge? Speaker 3 00:54:54 I, he's saying, judge, don't you know what a judge is? Anyway, so that was, that was kind of funny. But that was one of the Yeah. First songs that just, you know, stuck in that. And like I said, strawberry Rhone off of Marty Robbins was, uh, was another big one. And I'm sure I sang all the words wrong on that too. But Yeah. <laugh>, I know 'em now, now you can just make up your own words because you your own songs. Exactly. Don't you all know what a judge is? Come on. The New Single by Zack Top. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Judgment Day. Yes, exactly. Judgment Day <laugh>. I love it. Oh man. That's funny. So, uh, when you were in your family band, were you guys torn like regionally or how, how did that work? Yeah, yeah. Just regionally we, yeah. So we grew up a little town called Sunnyside, uh, up there in Washington and we'd kind of play, yeah, it was pretty much all just Washington State stuff. Speaker 3 00:55:44 Cool. Um, we, I guess we started venturing a little into Oregon and Idaho or something, um, kind of later on in that. And then, yes, I was pretty much just all over Washington, uh, all the corners of it. And, um, and then I, I grew, I got hooked up with, once we kind of shut that down, like I said, when I was 15 or something. Um, then I moved to Colorado shortly after that actually. Um, and we, uh, I got hooked up though with a, I mean, guys I'd known forever, but it was a Seattle based band, um, called North Country. Uh, still, you know, some of my closest friends, friends will mc 70 Norms and Michael Kilby, Kemp Powell, um, was the, the lineup there. Um, and so we started kind of, we, we were going around more Dakotas and uh, we'd go out to Raleigh for i b a and stuff. Speaker 3 00:56:42 Um, that was kind of my first introduction to the East and the South and where bluegrass was really made. Yeah. And um, which was fun. Uh, and then got hooked up with a group that, that was the kind of the first bluegrass record under, under my name, um, was me and uh, the band Modern Tradition. Um, which is a bunch of, we were spread all over the place. Um, but that was, yeah, that was kind of my first introduction. We started playing a little more through the southeast and stuff, um, and all over back northwest some too. But it was, uh, yeah, I stayed hold up up there in the northwest for a long time. Yeah. I guess Speaker 1 00:57:21 It's beautiful up there, man. Speaker 3 00:57:22 Yes it is. Yes it is. I miss the geography. Yeah. Every time it hits June here and I'm Speaker 1 00:57:28 Sweating allergies Speaker 3 00:57:29 And sweating as soon as I get outta the shower and I got those bad allergies. It's tough. They do. I never, I never was bothered by allergies before and now I gotta be careful about it cuz Yeah. You get out, you know, whenever you gotta show that night and all of a sudden kind of comes on you in the morning. I never had to deal with that before, um, in the dry climates and stuff. And now it's, Ooh, it'll mess with you. Oh yeah. No Speaker 2 00:57:51 Doubt. It's not dry here. That's what, Speaker 3 00:57:52 No, Speaker 1 00:57:53 I thought it was, I thought like allergies were for old people cause I never had them growing up. And then I moved to Nashville and I'm like, oh, like, oh, this is bad here. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:58:00 See I Speaker 2 00:58:00 Was old when I moved to Nashville. Speaker 1 00:58:01 There you go. That's right. <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:58:04 I had seen no ropes. I knew what was coming. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:58:07 Did you ever make it in for that bluegrass festival that they have or No, like a bluegrass convention that they have at like a hotel where everybody just plays in rooms. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:58:14 What he was just talking about. I bma that's, that's it. Speaker 3 00:58:16 Yeah. Let alone SMA is right here, uh, in, uh, in Nashville. Yeah. Um, that happened in January, I guess. Uh, I was down there for that. Stopped in Friday and Saturday night and just, yeah. That's, that's some of the funnest times man. Just, you know, stay out till four in the morning just walking around their different hotel rooms, seeing where the jams are and that's, they're like door open you can go in. Exactly. You know, I know a couple of them guys, I'm gonna go in there and play a few with them and you know, you get a good one and you can just sit there and play for four hours and it's so cool. Yeah. It's a blast. There Speaker 1 00:58:48 Used to be this really awesome event. It was like the full moon picking party. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I dunno if they still do it in Nashville. Yep. And it was like $10 to get in and you got like two beers, but if you had an instrument then it was like $4 or free or something like that. Nice. Yeah. <laugh>. And so, and it's just like everyone out in the field, just jamming. There was like bands and stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Ivy Mae Cool. Was like, got to play like $125,000 mandolin once. Yeah. So it was like a pre-war Gibson lore or whatever. Oh Speaker 3 00:59:17 Yeah. Oh yeah. They, uh, them bluegrassers, they, I don't know how they do it cuz nobody's ever made a dime playing bluegrass, but, uh, some, yeah. We're all snobs about our instruments kinda and it's, yeah, it's a funny deal. Speaker 1 00:59:33 No doubt. And like, something like guitar cases cost more than like guitars, you know, it's like, oh yeah, Speaker 3 00:59:38 Yeah. I spent, I bought a flight case from a, it's a, it's a guy that's, he's really big in, uh, the bluegrass world. I'm sure he makes a bunch of stuff for everybody. But this guy, I think his name, his first name is Jim, it's Hoffey. I know, uh, Hoffey cases, um, really cool carbon fiber cases and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I think, shoot, I've had that for 10 years now. And it, you know, still just wearing it out out there. Speaker 1 01:00:01 Yeah. I spent a lot of money in my fiddle case, so Yeah. Speaker 3 01:00:05 Yeah. Speaker 1 01:00:05 Some like, it's like handmade in France or something. Speaker 3 01:00:08 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. You gotta, man, if you going to go flying around with them or mm-hmm. <affirmative>, toss 'em underneath a tour bus, it's Yeah. You want something that's holding them things together, so Yeah. Keep 'em protected. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 2 01:00:21 So once the record's out. Yeah. Um, are you guys gonna be hitting the road a little further or any plans for touring past the summer? Speaker 3 01:00:28 Oh yeah. We'll, we'll just tour as much as they'll let us. Um, I, I love, I love writing and recording and all that. It's, it's a blast and getting to see a song kind of come to fruition, um, you know, from the first time you start on it to having the full track done and it's like, oh yeah, that's what it was supposed to sound like when we started. Yeah. Um, is a blast. My favorite thing is getting out there and playing, uh, live. I think that's the most pure way you can experience music as just like a good band. Somebody who can sing and, you know, hearing some good great songs. Country music. Yeah, exactly. Great songs. And, um, so that's, I don't know, I want to, I'm bad at, I never turn down shows. I gotta play as much as I can. I love that stuff and I dunno getting out there, getting to meet the fans and all that. Speaker 3 01:01:20 It's been great. We've been opening up a bunch of shows lately for, uh, for Dwight Yoakum. We got some more coming up for that. Um, I'm heading out tomorrow, well, I guess it won't be tomorrow when this comes out, but, um, be out going down playing Georgia and Alabama, um, this week with Dwight, which will be a blast. Um, that's been a really fun, fun little outfit to open up for. It's, you know, I don't know. I grew up on his music too. He was always, always on, and my mom always loved that song. His, uh, ain't that lonely yet, and she wanted us to do that in our bluegrass band. I don't think we ever did. Um, but, uh, yeah, it's fun to just kind of, you know, full circle moments. It's weird. Uh, I was listening to you on my radio as a kid, like Yeah, it's wild. Uh, I get to play right before you now. And so it's, it's, that's been a blast. And, uh, yeah, we got a bunch of stuff. You can find all the tour [email protected], uh, if you're interested. But, uh, yeah, we'll be out there all summer and we got stuff in the fall and I don't know, we'll play everything everywhere every time. We're, Speaker 1 01:02:27 We're gonna follow you and everyone that's listening is gonna follow you at I love it. Zack, top with an h Speaker 3 01:02:33 I love it. Yes. With an H. There you go. Yes, indeed. Z A C H T O P Intel, Luke, if he's ever short of openers. Um, Speaker 1 01:02:41 Yes. Or co-writers. Speaker 3 01:02:42 I would, yes, I would consider <laugh>. Um, Speaker 1 01:02:45 I'm just kidding. <laugh>. I mean, I'll definitely please do <laugh>. Yeah, I'd be real grateful. See, wouldn't that be wild Speaker 2 01:02:53 If that happens? Like, we're pay tickets for that for sure. Speaker 1 01:02:56 If that happens. I'm getting the Freeza top T-shirt. <laugh>. Speaker 3 01:02:59 You got a Freeza top T-shirt already? Hell yeah. Speaker 1 01:03:02 Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 01:03:03 <affirmative>. Well, man, I'm, uh, I'm excited to get to see you play at Country Concert, which is one of my absolute favorite events. I'm excited to watch your, your Rise, man. I'm been a big fan since the first time I heard your voice come across my screen. Thank you. And it's crazy that that's kind of how it happens now. Sometimes give it, you scream, it's also a blessing, you know? Yeah, Speaker 3 01:03:21 Yeah. It's, there's, there's a lot of things to complain about. It's so funny. Like, I was very resistant to TikTok at the, at the start. I didn't, I, I ain't getting no damn TikTok. I don't want nothing to do with it. And my wife was like, I'm making you a TikTok. It's like, it's a platform that musicians are using. It's very useful. And all right, if you wanna run it, fine. I ain't doing nothing with it. <laugh>. Anyway, she started, she posted stuff on there and did a good job of running it and kind of blew it up for, you know, to the extent that it's blown up now. But, um, it, uh, yeah, now we got whole major Bob people running it and we're working with another great company, venture music, um, helping us out on the social side of things. But all I'd say, yeah, it's, it's such a, I don't know, I complain about social media all the time. Every artist Speaker 1 01:04:05 That comes in this podcast studio complains about social media. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:04:08 We complain about it too. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:04:09 The other side of it is just like the, it's, you used to have no tools. Like if you're an independent artist and the label's all passed on you, well then you go back home and go back to swinging a hammer and now it's like, at least there's some really useful, very powerful outlets that you can access just on your own. And if your stuff is actually gonna resonate with people, then you can get to 'em, which is awesome. Yeah. It's, it's really good. It Speaker 2 01:04:37 Lets you really build vans. Yeah. Before you even hit the road or before you like mm-hmm. <affirmative> announce a new tour. Absolutely. Speaker 3 01:04:45 It's just, Speaker 2 01:04:45 It's really done a lot. Social media in general, but I mean, TikTok specifically is like done a lot in ticket sales. It's done a lot in pre-sales. Yep. You know, like it's really helped some artists' careers catapult Speaker 3 01:04:57 A hundred percent. You know, dude, they're, every label in town is signing a, you know, somebody that just got a viral video on TikTok every week and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's, you know, yeah. It's a huge, it's just the quickest way to reach the fan that's gonna buy the ticket or buy the t-shirt or the cap or the whatever. And so it's, it's a great, there's no middleman anymore. It's kind of like you can show your fans as much of your life and like behind the scenes as they wanna see, or you wanna share mm-hmm. <affirmative> and as well as obviously the music and the, the stuff you're trying to sell. Um, but uh, yeah, it's, I dunno, I complain too much, but it's, it's really, it is a beautiful, useful tool. It is. And that'll get 'em there, but what keeps 'em there, the songs span. Speaker 3 01:05:44 Absolutely. Absolutely. I love the songs I've heard from you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Traditional, good cold beer, country music. That's right. Cold beer and country music. Baby Western is a gitz and man, just That's right. Super thankful to have music like yours in the world. Thank, thank you. Super thankful for you to be on the podcast, man. Thank you so much for having me. Are you doing any more? Is Western gonna be a recurring thing? Oh yeah. Good. Okay. Yeah. I'm glad. Yeah. We ain't stopping that, that one went great. Perfect. I love it. Yeah. I hope I get to be a part of one again. Absolutely. For sure. I really, I really appreciate y'all letting me come on here and share a little bit. And man, we appreciate you coming out here and, uh, thanks for doing this and Heck yeah. Glad to have you back on too. Maybe we'll be awesome. A quick, uh, radio style remote while you're at country concert. Heck yeah. Yeah, yeah. I love, that'd like that. That'd be great. But we're gonna be out there too, man. Heck, I'm excited. Sweet. I love and uh, yeah, like I said, thanks for coming on and thanks for making great country music. 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